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Enoch Benched vs UCF

Was it Calhoun (or Chris Smith) who had a defensive drill where your hands and arms had to be at your side? Enoch could use that drill, but they need to tie his hands to his body.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Was it Calhoun (or Chris Smith) who had a defensive drill where your hands and arms had to be at your side? Enoch could use that drill, but they need to tie his hands to his body.
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I still like my idea better. Between Steve and Amida I think there is validity that big dudes, like dinosaurs, need a second brain to keep track of their arms and legs.
 
Gavin, Hilton and Kentan were all in a different stratosphere of recruiting rankings than Enoch was. Their development led to them fulfilling expectations. Enoch would have to take a massive leap as a player to reach that level.

I hope he does, but I wouldn't hold my breath, either.
 
ktuck911 said:
It appears Enoch is a 4 yr project.. we'll get the most out of him the last 2 years.. He's never been an immediate impact type frontcourt player... I just hope that the light comes on in the Fall of 2017...and he finally "gets it"....

He needs to put in the work this Summer. Not overseas either... Big Man camps in the USA.... train with a top notch coach of big men. He's gotta get more aggressive/assertive... aggressive on the glass as well as assert himself on the offensive end. He has that soft feathery touch in the post to take his man...
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This is a recurrent theme for the past few seasons. It would be informative to me if some of the more knowledgeable BY members commented on this. First of all I am pretty sure no one can be forced to go to "big man camp". Is it against NCAA rules to bring our own "big man" coach on campus in the offseason to put the bigs who want this training
the opportunity? I mean if they are so "slow to develop" couldn't they be helped to speed it up a bit? After all, is it not in their best interests ($) at the end of their college career? No doubt I am probably oversimplifying this. One thing I remember clearly was the summer when Kemba went away with the Pro/amateur team and said practicing against Rondo showed him that he had some holes in his game which he really worked on. The result was the NC season and on to top draft status and a great NBA career. Hope to hear why intense training in the offseason is not more available for those who need to iron out weaknesses and build up their game.
 
For the rest of this season SE needs to get 10 to 15 minutes a game minimum. There are issues but coach him up and give him a chance. The work he needs to put in in the off season to get quicker, stronger etc. is paramount to his being a starter next year but he needs to get time now. In the off season Ollie needs to self examine whether he is getting the most out of his bigs with the coaches he has on staff. SE has great instincts on the offensive end and just needs to improve on his ratio of made shots. A quicker SE will be a good rebounder. Defense is something that can be taught. Imagine Corny Thompson in that body. We have to keep working to make Steve better. It will pay off.
 
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Tenspro2002 said:
Terrible bigs beget terrible bigs.

When you spend your early years practicing against Olander, you get Nolan.
When you spend your early years practicing against Nolan, you get Facey and Brimah.
When you spend your early years practicing against Facey and Brimah, you get Enoch.

Conversely, look how Hilton Armstrong, Gavin Edwards, etc., developed practicing against Okafor, Villanueva, Boone, Adrien, Thabeet.

It's a vicious cycle that somebody has to break. I hope Durham is that guy.
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Great post. Makes sense. If I remember correctly Thabeet was a huge project. Back then if you said anything remotely bad about him you were shot, hung and chastised. I could say it now I really didn't care for the kid. But that's just me. I guess when you are 7 feet it's okay. Look at Fall. If it wasn't for the height, I would think Enoch is better. Enoch does have a nice hook. It's those rim clangers from 6 inches away that drives everyone nuts.
 
Patience must be shown with Enoch. People were ready to write Facey off earlier in the year and he's turning out to be quite a player now. Bigs typically take longer to develop. Enoch has all the right moves on offense. He just needs to finish. Which will come in time. He is a big body and will be a big rebounder when the game slows down for him. Hopefully he really picks it up on defense. He is still only 19 years old.
 
I wish they would have redshirted him last year as he needs time being only 19 still.
I think he can be a solid player he just needs to work harder on defense positioning
 
Waquoit said:
I'm not sure about this. Was Edwards even ranked? I just remember his HS coach saying he wasn't good enough for the Big East. And Hilton was a 3-star, choosing UConn over LaSalle.
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Think he's saying that Enoch was a much more highly touted recruit than those three guys.
 
zls44 said:
Gavin, Hilton and Kentan were all in a different stratosphere of recruiting rankings than Enoch was. Their development led to them fulfilling expectations. Enoch would have to take a massive leap as a player to reach that level.

I hope he does, but I wouldn't hold my breath, either.
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Gavin and Hilton yea, Facey no. Facey had an RSCI of 81, Enoch 66. The way they both blew up over one spring/summer recruiting period is also pretty similar.
 
zls44 said:
Gavin, Hilton and Kentan were all in a different stratosphere of recruiting rankings than Enoch was. Their development led to them fulfilling expectations. Enoch would have to take a massive leap as a player to reach that level.

I hope he does, but I wouldn't hold my breath, either.
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Enoch, Hilton and Kentan were all fairly similarly ranked at the time. Close enough for this comparison, anyway.

No one had ever heard of Edwards and he wasn't ranked, period.

It probably didn't help that his high school coach told everyone, including me, that the kid wasn't close to being a DI basketball player.
 
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Based on our last win some may think we are going to surge our way to the NCAA or win the AAC tourney. If that is true then play Brimah and Facey as much as possible and Enoch minimal as has happened. I have no problem with those guys playing but they aren't taking us to where we need to go. Enoch has the offensive skills but he needs defense, and PT to try to get it better. I personally think that Enoch needs to play every minute he can or until he fouls out for experience as a building block for next season. If he flames out and doesn't improve what are we really losing if we are not going to the postseason anyway? I know that this does not jive with KO's thoughts, as his number one priority is to try to save this season at all costs. We are short benched enough that everyone can get in but it's s mistake to bench Enoch.
 
Fishy said:
Enoch, Hilton and Kentan were all fairly similarly ranked at the time. Close enough for this comparison, anyway.

No one had ever heard of Edwards and he wasn't ranked, period.

It probably didn't help that his high school coach told everyone, including me, that the kid wasn't close to being a DI basketball player.
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How about Jake V, he wasn't too close to top 100 was he? It was the shooting guard Michael ? that was the guy they were actually looking at originally if I remember correctly. But I'm so old I can't remember his damn name so I could be way off.
 
mauconnfan said:
How about Jake V, he wasn't too close to top 100 was he? It was the shooting guard Michael ? that was the guy they were actually looking at originally if I remember correctly. But I'm so old I can't remember his damn name so I could be way off.
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Mike Leblanc, I believe, although I thought he was a SF. I don't think he saw any playing time while at UConn. Jake was the big surprise of that duo. The more old games I watch, I realize that Jake was better than I thought from the very start. He was playing very smart basketball as a sophomore and was a really tough kid. His lateral movement on defense was really good. Not Emeka-like, but very good for his size.
 
Maybe he would do better at playing the four instead of coming in as the primary shot blocker. He's not used to protecting the rim. I think he'll be a very good player by the time he leaves. He has much to learn defensively and set a screen without moving. Better d on the perimeter can help him now
 
A different way of looking at lack of growth and progress with Enoch is who he practices against. He cant match Brimah on the boards or defensively and doesnt seem to have the hustle and aggressiveness of Facey. He still just seems to be the big kid in high school he gets set up to score by the rest of the team.
 
He misses too many bunnies for a guy that seems to have decent touch. I'd like to see him make himself money right around the rim. Work on move and counter-move and using the glass.
 
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For some reason I forgot that Gavin's coach did, in fact, downplay him to everyone on Earth. Getting old sucks.
 
Stinger92860 said:
Was it Calhoun (or Chris Smith) who had a defensive drill where your hands and arms had to be at your side? Enoch could use that drill, but they need to tie his hands to his body.
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That's every defensive-minded coach in the history of the game, lol. Anyone worth their salt knows defense begins and ends with your feet. Calhoun was worth a hell of a lot of salt.

Crazy thing with Enoch is that he will play pretty solid D some time--at least not foul--and then the next game he's got two ridiculous fouls in a few minutes. You know the coaches are teaching him what to do; he just doesn't have the mentality to bring it to the game. Same with Rodney and travels, etc.

If you're suggested Enoch is a PF you're nuts. Nowhere near enough skill, and our floor spacing would make me want to vomit.
 
zls44 said:
For some reason I forgot that Gavin's coach did, in fact, downplay him to everyone on Earth. Getting old sucks.
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There is a failing in this internet Boneyard ... use your eyes.

Enoch is struggling; and clearly, Kevin Ollie is not using him because of his defensive deficiencies; but that kid is athletic and has the goods in terms of hands and quickness (and I have always thought hands is a far underrated skill for hoop). He simply is not of lesser qualitative stock than Armstrong or Edwards coming in. And contrast to Tacko Fall ... is a recently turned 18 year old to a 21 year old and nothing compares to 7'6". I will continue to read the dismissive posts and hope. The clear need is for more and more game experience (and being in a daily scrum with Brimah, Facey, Durham ... and later Diarra etc) is invaluable. The summer posting in something really demanding is necessary.

The real test ... IMHO ... is how much does this kid want it. A smidge of that answer comes at us in his next game.
 
I would not mind seeing Enoch red shirt next year (assuming that we will have someone on the staff who can develop bigs).

He had more than enough size/athleticism to be a contributor but his skill level is abysmal. With the right amount of teaching we could get a couple of decent years out of him.
 
Waquoit said:
I'm not sure about this. Was Edwards even ranked? I just remember his HS coach saying he wasn't good enough for the Big East. And Hilton was a 3-star, choosing UConn over LaSalle.
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I think Enoch was ranked higher than all of them
 
jibsey said:
Based on our last win some may think we are going to surge our way to the NCAA or win the AAC tourney. If that is true then play Brimah and Facey as much as possible and Enoch minimal as has happened. I have no problem with those guys playing but they aren't taking us to where we need to go. Enoch has the offensive skills but he needs defense, and PT to try to get it better. I personally think that Enoch needs to play every minute he can or until he fouls out for experience as a building block for next season. If he flames out and doesn't improve what are we really losing if we are not going to the postseason anyway? I know that this does not jive with KO's thoughts, as his number one priority is to try to save this season at all costs. We are short benched enough that everyone can get in but it's s mistake to bench Enoch.
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Sometimes kids learn from being benched. I think KO knows SE better than you or me.
SE would foul out within 10 minutes if left in that long vs any decent big man
 
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mauconnfan said:
How about Jake V, he wasn't too close to top 100 was he? It was the shooting guard Michael ? that was the guy they were actually looking at originally if I remember correctly. But I'm so old I can't remember his damn name so I could be way off.
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Jake was largely considered a top 100 recruit.

LeBlanc was considered the better player - top 65 or so - but Jake was not a throw-in.

Jake actually committed first - Mike committed in November on the first day of the signing period, but Jake was already signed up. Q Hardnett committed a few days after that.

Ultimately, LeBlanc just wasn't very good. He bounced from UConn to Vandy to Houston Baptist and didn't impress anywhere.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I would not mind seeing Enoch red shirt next year (assuming that we will have someone on the staff who can develop bigs).

He had more than enough size/athleticism to be a contributor but his skill level is abysmal. With the right amount of teaching we could get a couple of decent years out of him.
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I could live with that.
 
Exactly,
HuskyWarrior611 said:
Patience must be shown with Enoch. People were ready to write Facey off earlier in the year and he's turning out to be quite a player now. Bigs typically take longer to develop. Enoch has all the right moves on offense. He just needs to finish. Which will come in time. He is a big body and will be a big rebounder when the game slows down for him. Hopefully he really picks it up on defense. He is still only 19 years old.
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Steve has good hands, gets good position on offense and has good mechanics on his offensive moves. He lacks confidence...when things start to click for him, he will finish at close to 60%. His court awareness on defense is poor. He is a good athlete and runs from end to end faster than most big men. His appearance of being slow-footed is largely due to the lack of court awareness. Give him time!
 
I know the contact time with the coaching staff is limited. He should get some extra time with whoever on the women's staff has been working with Napheesa Collier. That woman plays textbook interior basketball and is at least 50% better at it than last year!
 
Maybe Ollie is pushing buttons, hope it works

Maybe he's getting tougher
 
huskyharry said:
I know the contact time with the coaching staff is limited. He should get some extra time with whoever on the women's staff has been working with Napheesa Collier. That woman plays textbook interior basketball and is at least 50% better at it than last year!
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The end justifies the means. Whatever it takes. I cannot believe that our bigs are unmotivated, lack the requisite intellect and/or physical tools to develop. This is a team game
although a lot of folks both in the game and those watching it may not buy that. I am not criticizing any particular person either on the staff or team. If there has been an overemphasis on guard play and spacing at the expense of interior play (both offense and defense) then it needs correction. Bottom line: you cannot get around fundamentals.
Interestingly, exhibit "A" is right on the campus. Hard to deny it when it is right in your back yard.
 
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