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upstater said:
The bad part though is UCLA or UCF get more rest for Sunday. UConn game probably ends around 12:45am. Team probably gets back to hotel and sleep at 2 am. Better be a Sunday night game.
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Marat said:
At least its not back to back days like in conference tourney. But yes was curious if this implies later start Sunday.
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As second round Sunday runs quite a bit later than regional final Sunday, tipoff should be a bit later, but I wouldn't put it past the powers that be to give us an early Sunday game.

CBS did this to us in 2006. We were initially scheduled to face Washington in the ear;ier tipoff Friday evening by Sean McManus, then head of CBS sports moved that game to the later tipoff, giving us a ridiculous turnaround with a Sunday noon game in the regional final.

McManus claimed that we would receive an unfair amount of prime exposure if we got the earlier (I believe 8:00 pm) tipoff, what happened was a substantial contributing factor in our result that Sunday.

McManus (who is the son of Jim McKay) was born and raised in the wealthy 'burbs of Fairfield county, attended Faifield prep & Duke.

I'm beginnng to have a bad feeling about this tournament as our path in 2006 was Philly, then DC with the final four in Indianapolis. Also, Duke entered that tournament as the overall number one seed.

I don't know if we're up for this, but this could be the opportunity to exorcise a few demons (2006 tournament, payback against UCLA).







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LStudfellow said:
Can we stop talking up UCF like they're some kind of special? They beat a Richie Saunders-less BYU and shot the lights out that night (I know because I actually was watching that game). And since that game they are 1-4, their only win in OT against a tourney-less and now coach-less Cincinnati team... in overtime. Arizona boat-raced them in the quarterfinals of the Big12 quarterfinals.

Objectively UCLA has been playing a lot better basketball recently than UCF. They just beat Michigan State in the Big10 tournament, and have won 4 of their last 5, including a 20-point pasting of Nebraska.

I have no idea what some of you are watching or pay attention to, but it is obviously not the actual recent results of these teams. UCLA is the higher seed and an early 6 1/2 point favorite in their matchup coming Friday night, and for good reason. I would much rather face UCF than UCLA the way the two teams have been playing and trending in the last several weeks. Particularly when you realize that as much as we have had fun picking on the angry leprechaun (a.k.a. Mick Cronin) over the years, the guy can coach.
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I am not disagreeing with you. But if UCLA is down two starters, including their best player, that changes things.
 
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aceboon said:
If Dent actually has a calf strain as reported yesterday then I don't see how he's 100% by Friday. In the NBA guys aren't turning around and playing that soon unless its do or die like Haliburton.
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If players try to play with calf strains, depending on the severity, it can increase the chance of an achilles injury. Tyrese Haliburton went through that in the NBA Finals game 7.
 
businesslawyer said:
This. Both our seed and our draw was fair.

And could everyone quit the damn whining about St. John’s also being the East. We should be so lucky if we get to the regional final to have them waiting for us rather than Duke. That’s your complaint? (And yes, I would have given them a 4 rather than a 5 but if you accept we’re as high as we are because of what we did before conference play started, quit whining that St Johns is paying for having not accomplished a damn thing before conference play started.)

By the way — 2 rounds in Philly and then 2 in DC happened in ‘06. And ended with George friggin Mason.
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Whining?
It's not whining to protest that a league, with only three bids, had its top two teams placed in the same bracket thus making it impossible to max out the number of shares the league could have earned if UConn and St. John's both made the Final Four.
Sure that would likely have been a long shot but now it's impossible. If I want to waste some time in the next day or two I'll look at the brackets to see if any other league experienced a similar fate.
 
Scrutineer said:
Whining?
It's not whining to protest that a league, with only three bids, had its top two teams placed in the same bracket thus making it impossible to max out the number of shares the league could have earned if UConn and St. John's both made the Final Four.
Sure that would likely have been a long shot but now it's impossible. If I want to waste some time in the next day or two I'll look at the brackets to see if any other league experienced a similar fate.
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Does any other league have the two teams that just played each other in the conference tourney finals in the same region?
 
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Scrutineer said:
It's not whining to protest that a league, with only three bids, had its top two teams placed in the same bracket thus making it impossible to max out the number of shares the league could have earned if UConn and St. John's both made the Final Four.
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For whatever it's worth, both MAC teams are in the Midwest Region.

Ultimately with the Big East's second-best team a 5 seed, there are a lot fewer protections available to the Big East than the other conferences with multiple top-16 seeded teams. Here are the principles from the NCAA:
Each of the first four teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regions if they are seeded on the first four lines,
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With St. John's a 5-seed, that principle does not apply.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional final if they played each other three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament. This principle can be relaxed if a league has nine or more teams in the tournament.
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With St. John's a 5 and UConn a 2 that principle is met... they can't meet before the regional final.

Teams will remain in or as close to their areas of natural interest as possible, as determined by mileage from campus to the venue.
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This principle would push St. John's to the East... provided the first principles are met.

If possible, after examining the previous two years’ brackets, teams will not be moved out of its natural region or geographic area an inordinate number of times.
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This probably wasn't considered... but both St. John's (2) and UConn (8) were in the West last year.
 
Hate to put most of the pressure on the back of one person but our chances to go far in this tournament depend largely on whether or not Alex gets back in the groove and starts hitting open threes. We work hard for open shots but we can't afford to miss as many as we do. Some teams need to get hot to win. We just need to be more consistent.
 
businesslawyer said:
The games times are not about fairness or respect. They are about maximizing TV viewership. And if you think they could get more viewers by flipping game times, take it up with the supercomputers and formulae used by CBS. But between you and CBS do you want to guess where the smart money is?
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So you think total viewership for a game between two Eastern teams (UConn and Furman) will be greater with a 10 PM local time start on the East Coast versus a 7:25 PM local time start and a game between a well known Western team (UCLA) and a little known Eastern team (UCF) will be greater with a 4:25 PM local time start on the West Coast?

For that to be true, the supercomputers and algorithms must show UCF is a bigger draw than UConn and UCLA. No wonder the P4 keep rejecting us.
 
Jimdish255 said:
Hate to put most of the pressure on the back of one person but our chances to go far in this tournament depend largely on whether or not Alex gets back in the groove and starts hitting open threes. We work hard for open shots but we can't afford to miss as many as we do. Some teams need to get hot to win. We just need to be more consistent.
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He's scored single digit points in half of our last 16 games. He's supposed to be Mr. Reliable and he's been incredibly unreliable. I don't know what it is but we really need him to snap out of it if we're going to make any noise. Mullins also needs to start making threes again.
 
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Fancy stats aside, Kansas being a 4 seed with their home loss to UConn and them fading down the stretch and St John’s being below them despite winning all but one game since early January and 6 losses total blows my mind.
 
UCTitleTown said:
We tend to play down to our opponents this season. Two What The Fizzle losses this season. This team better focus and not overlook any opponent, even the opener.
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Especially the opener! They need to come out blazing and blow Furman out! Destroy them, get back to dominating, and have a less stressful 2nd half. It's human nature to work only as hard as you need to but after the awful losses, there is no wiggle room for bad stretches.
 
UCLA has some nice wins on their resume. Beat Purdue, Illinois, Michigan State and Nebraska. Don’t have any bad loses. Arizona only beat them by 4. Will be a tough match up.
 
UConnJim said:
They still use the S-curve, but they make exceptions for conference schools and non-conference rematches, and geography is a factor. There is also scrubbing which can move a school up or down. Conference schools seeded 1 to 4 are not put in the same region if possible and schools that played 3 times during the season can't meet until the regional final which is how St. John's got into the East with UConn as they are a 5 seed and they wouldn't meet until the regional final.
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The placement of UConn is not only fair, it’s advantageous. The whining by UConn fans is unjustified. We looked like a #9 seed against St. John’s.
 
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I Bleed Blue said:


Rothstein has us in the Final 4, knocking off Pitino and the Johnnies in the Elite 8! Then advancing to the Championship game and ultimately losing the rematch to Purdue.

Dan Hurley "The Carpenter"
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Purdue winning the championship? That's certainly an opinion
 
Scrutineer said:
So you think total viewership for a game between two Eastern teams (UConn and Furman) will be greater with a 10 PM local time start on the East Coast versus a 7:25 PM local time start and a game between a well known Western team (UCLA) and a little known Eastern team (UCF) will be greater with a 4:25 PM local time start on the West Coast?

For that to be true, the supercomputers and algorithms must show UCF is a bigger draw than UConn and UCLA. No wonder the P4 keep rejecting us.
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Or they assume UConn/East coast fans will watch the 7pm game either way and would have gone to sleep if it wasn’t for UConn playing. So to keep viewership we get a late junky time.
 
ScottVib said:
Was interesting reading through the St. John's fans frustration about their seeding. Lots of folks who were resigned to UConn potentially getting the same seed as St. John's or higher if St. John's was disrespected (most seemed to be expecting a 3/4 for the Johnnies).

The responses about UConn getting a 2 despite "Losing to Marquette" while they were stuck as a 5 was interesting... they seem to have forgotten that UConn had as many wins against top-16 seeds out of conference play, as they had games (all losses) against any tournament team. (St. John's was 4-4 overall; 0-3 out of conference against tournament teams; UConn 8-3; 6-1 out of conference)
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I thought St Johns got screwed. They have to play Kansas in round of 32, Duke in sweet 16, UConn or Michigan St in Elite 8. Thats a terrible draw.
 
This bracket is tough sledding. I feel like the committee went out of its way to put us through a meet grinder.
 
lateralous said:
Fancy stats aside, Kansas being a 4 seed with their home loss to UConn and them fading down the stretch and St John’s being below them despite winning all but one game since early January and 6 losses total blows my mind.
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I'd be surprised if UConn and St. John's weren't already locked into their seeds before the Big East Tournament.
 
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