Durham transferring

[chevtheman]

Some of these posts got me dying .. a lot of you guys are going crazy over thinking!!!

 

[intlzncster]

Stop right now! I've only completed season 5. I want to see Ramsey die a long and painful death.

If you aren't caught up at this stage of the game, it's on you buddy.

 

[80shusky]

Some of these posts got me dying .. a lot of you guys are going crazy over thinking!!!

Oh yea it's conspiracy madness up in here!

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Some of these posts got me dying .. a lot of you guys are going crazy over thinking!!!

What's your take? Actually curious, not being rude.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You're coming here and saying this is the baseline given recent events. Even the football posters who have supported Randy all these years understand that next season or two could be rebuilds.

Next season is a rebuild season for KO because only two players have played together any minutes.

Ah, see, now that is the issue. UConn basketball doesn't have rebuilds. We have down years, but we reload. Like Alabama football. The moment we lose that, the moment we aren't one of the programs...we are toast. Ollie could afford a year like this next one may be. He can't afford it after the year we just had. We can't become a mid pack AAC squad.

 

[intlzncster]

Some of these posts got me dying .. a lot of you guys are going crazy over thinking!!!

It's what we do best man. Have you seen the pizza thread?

 

[CTBasketball]

It's what we do best man. Have you seen the pizza thread?

That's my pride and joy. Don't insult it!!

 

[gampelcrazies]

To be honest I don't think any of the guys that left were that good. They could easily be replaced. I'm thinking they were pushed out by Ollie. The one that hurts for me is Langford.

 

[intlzncster]

Playing good man to man defense is all about effort. It's hard to teach maximum effort, either you got it or you don't.

idk sammy. I think it's teachable. It's a more a matter of, either you commit to it, or you don't.

Some kids naturally have it, so can adopt it as their mentality (to get better and earn PT). Some don't bother. It's a choice.

 

[BaZZnBOAT]

To be honest I don't think any of the guys that left were that good. They could easily be replaced. I'm thinking they were pushed out by Ollie. The one that hurts for me is Langford.

I agree, and even still, it's pretty evident we will find a guard of some kind to replace MAL, whether it be a Frosh or a GT or regular transfer.

 

[ctchamps]

Ah, see, now that is the issue. UConn basketball doesn't have rebuilds. We have down years, but we reload. Like Alabama football. The moment we lose that, the moment we aren't one of the programs...we are toast. Ollie could afford a year like this next one may be. He can't afford it after the year we just had. We can't become a mid pack AAC squad.

I disagree with the premise that another bad year will be the demise of the program. Yes, as I've stated, bb teams can go through a rebuild period as opposed to a reload, but the ability to rebuild is significantly easier in bb than football.

Obviously with each successive negative event the rebuild gets more difficult. But the assumption you are making, that we are toast, is too extreme imo. Otherwise, by your logic, everyone on the football forum that believes UConn football can attain a modicum degree of success over the next few years most assuredly have to be kidding themselves. I don't post in that forum but I do read it and I believe that in the future (two or three years from now) things will pick up.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Why did he decommit?

What's more likely? A nationally recognized recruit dropping UConn because of the associate head coach being fired or the fact that we've significantly under performed the past three seasons, only have Napier as an NBA player under KO and then on top of that players are transferring out with nothing but playing time available.

I saw his public comments and I think MAL took the high road and made a nice public statement. What's he going to say? The program is on a fire right now and I don't want to be anywhere near it?

 

[gtcam]

This program, led by Head Coach Kevin Ollie, is a total dysfunctional mess right now.

The Strength and Conditioning Coach, Glen Miller, Enoch, Jackson, MAL and Durham are all out in the past month.

His buddy "Oz" is spouting off on Twitter like an idiot.

No more excuses, no more "well we can't do any better", KO owns this program and has run it into the ground.

Let's see what he makes of it. Another sub .500 season and I think a change would have to be in order.

The only person/people who need to make such remarks like these are people who are closely tied to the program and who knows what's going on intimately
And CHB - I don't think you are in that position
Do you know for a fact that this allusive and anonymous OZ is in fact a KO insider and that he has carte blanche??
A SCC is asked to leave, 80% of those who post here feel the kids should be stronger and more physical BUT now thats bad he is gone
GM has been the brunt of much negativity on this board and IF he was responsible for the development of the bigs it looks like he failed - but now that's bad he is gone
SE couldn't guard my 5 yo granddaughter in her drive to the hoop and picked up 3 fouls by just getting off the bench and most saw it that way but now it bad he is gone
VJ could shoot the ball but hesitated to take many open shots, had huge lapses in defense and a father who at time was meddling and most saw that but he is gone and that is bad
MAL wants to be the big fish - there isn't room for that next year
JD has two bad knees, KO stuck with him when many a coach would have cut him loose, now all of a sudden, while being totally untested some he belch out that he is our only returning 5 and a savior - as far as I'm concerned the kid in this case owes a good turn to KO, not the other way around.
Sometimes changes are needed and when we aren't privy to the reasons why some people start letting their emotions hang out
Dysfunctional?? that's that to me is delusional

 

[CTBasketball]

I really want to meet all of you guys.

Can @Fishy organize a town council at Pepe's so we can talk about this heated topic over food and drink?

 

[intlzncster]

Ah, see, now that is the issue. UConn basketball doesn't have rebuilds. We have down years, but we reload. Like Alabama football. The moment we lose that, the moment we aren't one of the programs...we are toast. Ollie could afford a year like this next one may be. He can't afford it after the year we just had. We can't become a mid pack AAC squad.

Honestly, I don't think we are that program. Nor are we a middle of the pack AAC (despite our recent results). Somewhere in between.

The program you described above is Duke, UK, UNC. Despite our tournament success, we don't have remotely the same ability to bring guys in.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

The only person/people who need to make such remarks like these are people who are closely tied to the program and who knows what's going on intimately
And CHB - I don't think you are in that position
Do you know for a fact that this allusive and anonymous OZ is in fact a KO insider and that he has carte blanche??
A SCC is asked to leave, 80% of those who post here feel the kids should be stronger and more physical BUT now thats bad he is gone
GM has been the brunt of much negativity on this board and IF he was responsible for the development of the bigs it looks like he failed - but now that's bad he is gone
SE couldn't guard my 5 yo granddaughter in her drive to the hoop and picked up 3 fouls by just getting off the bench and most saw it that way but now it bad he is gone
VJ could shoot the ball but hesitated to take many open shots, had huge lapses in defense and a father who at time was meddling and most saw that but he is gone and that is bad
MAL wants to be the big fish - there isn't room for that next year
JD has two bad knees, KO stuck with him when many a coach would have cut him loose, now all of a sudden, while being totally untested some he belch out that he is our only returning 5 and a savior - as far as I'm concerned the kid in this case owes a good turn to KO, not the other way around.
Sometimes changes are needed and when we aren't privy to the reasons why some people start letting their emotions hang out
Dysfunctional?? that's that to me is delusional

Dude, the team returns 4 players who have played a minute of Division 1 college basketball.

Adams, Vital and then the 3 games we saw from Larrier and Gilbert.

That's not dysfunctional? Are you kidding me?

 

[8893]

idk sammy. I think it's teachable. It's a more a matter of, either you commit to it, or you don't. It's choice.

I think you just confirmed what he's saying and contradicted yourself somewhat. It's a choice whether or not to make the effort to play defense. Not sure how you can "teach" that except by reinforcing that there are consequences for lack of effort, which I think KO tried to do, but was limited by the short bench.

The longer I am a parent, the more I am convinced that you can't teach "effort." It is something that gets learned--or not--when someone sees the results of effort reinforced. And learning it doesn't always mean that someone starts giving better effort immediately. Sometimes, especially with kids, they drop out for a while because they don't want to try that hard.

 

[intlzncster]

Dude, the team returns 4 players who have played a minute of Division 1 college basketball.

Adams, Vital and then the 3 games we saw from Larrier and Gilbert.

Not arguing one way or another about dysfunctional, but Larrier has a full season under his belt. The caveat is that he just lost a season to major injury, and has barely played in 2 years.

 

[intlzncster]

The longer I am a parent, the more I am convinced that you can't teach "effort." It is something that gets learned--or not--when someone sees the results of effort reinforced. And learning it doesn't always mean that someone starts giving better effort immediately. Sometimes, especially with kids, they drop out for a while because they don't want to try that hard.

Yah, but that's teaching! Reward punishment is a method for instilling behavior. Someone is showing you the way it needs to be done in order to get playing time, in order to get better. If you buy in, you are learning.

 

[BaZZnBOAT]

Dude, the team returns 4 players who have played a minute of Division 1 college basketball.

Adams, Vital and then the 3 games we saw from Larrier and Gilbert.

That's not dysfunctional? Are you kidding me?

Do you really think Enoch/Durham/VJ would make the team that much better? They can bring in players who will perform at a higher level then them.

 

[TRest]

I'd be more concerned if this was the stuff going on and Ollie wasn't literally doing the most painful thing possible - which is to gut the program of kids like this.

I've been a harsh Ollie critic - and yes - I think we can do better than him and I don't think if we let him go that we're going to plunge into the abyss. But it's not that i'm not rooting for him. The problem with rebuilds is that too often coaches and GM's don't go the full monty. To do it right, you have to literally rip the whole thing to shreds. Keep the guys who are there and want to be there, hopefully they've got some talent - and then recalibrate.

With what's out there and this group's ability to recruit - I think they can duct tape/patch work a decent season together next year. Hopefully they can get a recruiting class a little closer to home and there you go. But the deeper you're willing to strip your roster down, the faster you can get things turned around. So i'm fine with what he's doing.

Hopefully the NCAA allows our petition to play half-court, 3-on-3 only.

 

[JCSuperstar]

Not arguing one way or another about dysfunctional, but Larrier has a full season under his belt. The caveat is that he just lost a season to major injury, and has barely played in 2 years.

Cobb does too from his USCe year, right?

 

[ktuck911]

Only one word sums up this offseason:

damn



...........

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Do you really think Enoch/Durham/VJ would make the team that much better? They can bring in players who will perform at a higher level then them.

Yeah? Take a look at the Top 100 recruit list for this fall.

Let me know how many guys aren't committed at this point.*

*Keep in mind the one of the highest available just decommited from UConn.

 

[intlzncster]

Yeah? Take a look at the Top 100 recruit list for this fall.

Let me know how many guys aren't committed at this point.*

*Keep in mind the one of the highest available just decommited from UConn.

There's a decent pool of Grad Transfers, recent recommits, and Jucos. Let's see what happens.

 

[BaZZnBOAT]

Yeah? Take a look at the Top 100 recruit list for this fall.

Let me know how many guys aren't committed at this point.*

*Keep in mind the one of the highest available just decommited from UConn.

Grad transfers. Even so, I personally believe Josh Carlton would have played more over Durham regardless.

 

[3rdbass]

Do you really think Enoch/Durham/VJ would make the team that much better? They can bring in players who will perform at a higher level then them.

VJ was aac freshman first team and the best outside shooter. That is not something you just replace with anyone.

 

[TRest]

Do you really think Enoch/Durham/VJ would make the team that much better? They can bring in players who will perform at a higher level then them.

We need eligible bodies for next season. We can't field a team with what we have now and potential transfers that have to sit a year.

 

[BaZZnBOAT]

VJ was aac freshman first team and the best outside shooter. That is not something you just replace with anyone.

Theoretically you could with a transfer like Cam Johnson or Elijah Brown.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Alright, let me shed some light that will hopefully calm everyone down. As @fleudslipcon said, I've known this was coming for over a week, but because of speculation rules I couldn't say anything on the board. Here's some info from the same source that told me Juwan was leaving that I hope will calm everyone down.

1) There is no team chemistry/hate KO mentality in the locker room
2) Both Vance and Juwan leaving were PRIMARILY because of being homesick. I know that a lot of us don't want to believe that because of what VJ Sr was tweeting.
3) Admittedly, there was some griping by the players that left over playing time (more so by Enoch and some by Vance I would assume), but it was mostly playing time. I know I know I know - "but there was going to be so much time open." That's true, but between a perceived lack of 'proper use' and missing home, 2 of these guys wanted to head back closer to home for that 'home cooked meal.'
4) MAL leaving was primarily because of Miller being let go - not because he was nervous about stepping foot onto a sinking ship
5) This is it. There isn't anyone else leaving. If I end up being wrong on this, I'll take whatever heat you guys can throw at me.
6) Morale is VERY high with the players that are left

This isn't a great look for the UConn Men's BB program right now, but it's not nearly is chaotic up in Storrs as many seem to think it is. Ollie has not lost control of this team.

The nice thing about the "homesick" theory is that it will be either proven or debunked in short order when these guys announce where they're going.

Enoch still has zero excuse. I wonder if he's one of these guys who was told he had to work harder (e.g. on defense) and just didn't want to put in the effort.

MAL leaving because of a milquetoast, middle-aged assistant coach is some of the weakest sauce I've seen in recruiting.