Duke launches investigation into possible player mistreatment

[Gate81]

Agree with earlier post-ers here: it's all about $. Once they perform investigation and have official findings, presumably they'll save lots of money on her exit. Perhaps even fire her with no payment ("for cause").

The real shame is not necessarily FOR the Duke program but that it took them SO long to get there, and allowed the program to roll downhill and lose great players for so long. Have to feel badly also for the players like Greenwell who have stuck it out but (1) they will get a Duke degree and (2) they have a high probability of getting a much better coach soon -- if this "investigation" takes less than 6 months!

Hope for sake of Pac-12 schools that Chidom heads back East. She and Natalie Romeo could be two unexpected treats.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

I wonder if Duke's AD Kevin White will take a hit on this? There was enough to warrant an investigation before he gave her a raise and another 5 (?) year contract.

 

[CL82]

How sad. I am glad that they are investigating the allegations. If it turns out that McCallie is at fault, well I hear this guy is available:

Rebound!​

 

[BroadwayVa]

Well, this is one way to avoid having to buy out a big contract when you want to get rid of a coach. One way or another, highly unlikely that JPM is back next season. Look for some kind of negotiated settlement.

Let's be honest... a coach that's winning big can get by with some of her crap.... but when you don't make the Tourney, players and coaches are leaving, recruiting is tanking, and the fans are on the warpath... not so much.

I'm not a believer than ANY Coach, men or women, should find it necessary to berate, belittle, swear, curse, or destroy ones mental well being to achieve greatness. Having said that there is a fine line between abuse and cajoling, getting better performances. But as one writer above has said ---when you are successful Administrations (and I assume the NCAA) will not take a serious view of comments by players

 

[Goldenflash81]

Found this little gem on Twitter...

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Ben Swain‏@TheBenSwain
If/When Duke makes a coaching move with women’s basketball, they should give Geno a shot. That guy deserves to be in a major conference.

 

[Crossover]

I'm not a believer than ANY Coach, men or women, should find it necessary to berate, belittle, swear, curse, or destroy ones mental well being to achieve greatness. Having said that there is a fine line between abuse and cajoling, getting better performances. But as one writer above has said ---when you are successful Administrations (and I assume the NCAA) will not take a serious view of comments by players

That is demonstrably false. Nebraska women's basketball has been quite successful under Connie Yori. Once again, you are riding your hobby horse. A thinly veiled shot at Geno for his use of colorful language and sarcasm.

 

[BroadwayVa]

Think this issue was raised several years ago but can't remember the name of the player(s). Surprised it has taken this long to correct. Was Duke waiting to see if she could win something before bringing an investigation ?

Remembering names, events, actions, words, are not about AGE --it's about how each got into the Memory bank.
Along with interest and desire at the moment. Son!!!
What is interesting is that there is an "Investigation" so far no real proof, lots of ASSUMPTIONS, Speculation,
it would appear JMP is being TRASHED without specific, legalized proof, sometime circumstantial "evidence" proves faulty. America where you are guilty until you prove your self not guilty (Innocent is a whole other ball game) . --only on TV are you innocent until proven guilty.

 

[BroadwayVa]

That is demonstrably false. Nebraska women's basketball has been quite successful under Connie Yori. Once again, you are riding your hobby horse. A thinly veiled shot at Geno for his use of colorful language and sarcasm.

If I meant Geno I would have said Geno---Are you harboring some dislike of the Geno methods???? Hmmm
Did I mention Yori or Nebraska--?? Do you have some specifics? BTW--my horse is a Morgan--you can keep on rocking on your horse!! Read what I write--no sacrasm By definition--. Please look up the definition of words before you use words too big for your vocabulary.. (That is sarcasm!!)

 

[BroadwayVa]

There is a big difference between an internal investigation finding player mistreatment and Duke actually having legal standing to terminate for cause in a way that would stand up in a law court - it might reduce the price of a buy-out, but chances are they would still be paying a sizable chunk of change if they chose to terminate.

Also there is a big difference between an allegation and a charge--. What one kid sees as abuse --another may see as motivation--psychological abuse/ mental abuse --tough to prove especially in the sports arena.

 

[BroadwayVa]

That is demonstrably false. Nebraska women's basketball has been quite successful under Connie Yori. Once again, you are riding your hobby horse. A thinly veiled shot at Geno for his use of colorful language and sarcasm.

What is false--what I believe?? Do I need your permission before I can believe something?? I still think you have some problems with Geno--HMMMM???? Now you think you have the power of thought control---maybe you need a visit to your local medical/mental facility!!!

 

[HuskyNan]

Remembering names, events, actions, words, are not about AGE --it's about how each got into the Memory bank.
Along with interest and desire at the moment. Son!!!
What is interesting is that there is an "Investigation" so far no real proof, lots of ASSUMPTIONS, Speculation,
it would appear JMP is being TRASHED without specific, legalized proof, sometime circumstantial "evidence" proves faulty. America where you are guilty until you prove your self not guilty (Innocent is a whole other ball game) . --only on TV are you innocent until proven guilty.

It's a fan forum, not a court of law.

 

[winlots]

Hey I am 81 years old and lucky I can remember that much. Probably 4-5 years ago, maybe a little longer, maybe not. Sorry.

UC: Get OUT! I thought you were just a pup. At least, I think I thought that - can't remember for sure. Keep smilin and stay well,

 

[Charliebball]

It's a fan forum, not a court of law.

Your Honor.................I object!!!!!!!!!

 

[bags27]

That is demonstrably false. Nebraska women's basketball has been quite successful under Connie Yori. Once again, you are riding your hobby horse. A thinly veiled shot at Geno for his use of colorful language and sarcasm.

Are you practicing for troll day? Jeez....

 

[bags27]

Remembering names, events, actions, words, are not about AGE --it's about how each got into the Memory bank..

Can't find on line one of my favorite New Yorker cartoons, addressing this issue, that if you learn something new, you must "replace it" (forget) something else. A guy walks out of a theater and reads the headlines of a trashy newspaper, and exclaims: "Oh my god! I've just lost all my knowledge of Renaissance art!".

 

[Crossover]

What is false--what I believe?? Do I need your permission before I can believe something?? I still think you have some problems with Geno--HMMMM???? Now you think you have the power of thought control---maybe you need a visit to your local medical/mental facility!!!

You stated that "when you are successful Administrations (and I assume the NCAA) will not take a serious view of comments by players". If that were true, Connie Yori would still be coaching at Nebraska.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

Duke University Athletics Statement on the Women’s Basketball Program

“The welfare and success of our student-athletes are among Duke’s highest priorities. To that end, we are in the process of conducting an evaluation of the Duke women’s basketball program. This effort is led by a Duke human resources professional outside the Athletics Department. Coach McCallie is aware of the evaluation and eager to assist. We look forward to hearing the insights of those involved in the program and any recommendations that may result from this evaluation."

 

[bags27]

This effort is led by a Duke human resources professional outside the Athletics Department

Uh-oh! the scariest phrase in the English language. She is in very deep, well, you know that thread about your favorite pet?

 

[EricSD]

How sad. I am glad that they are investigating the allegations. If it turns out that McCallie is at fault, well I hear this guy is available:

Rebound!​

You're terrible Murial!!

 

[Baroloboy]

Duke University Athletics Statement on the Women’s Basketball Program

“The welfare and success of our student-athletes are among Duke’s highest priorities. To that end, we are in the process of conducting an evaluation of the Duke women’s basketball program. This effort is led by a Duke human resources professional outside the Athletics Department. Coach McCallie is aware of the evaluation and eager to assist. We look forward to hearing the insights of those involved in the program and any recommendations that may result from this evaluation."

An internal investigation by the Duke administration for the welfare of their student athletes. What laugh!
Does anyone remember the Duke investigation of the men's lacrosse team. The admin threw the entire team including their coach under the bus and ruined the life of several of their players in the name of political correctness. One of the most unethical and despicable actions by a college administration in the history of college athletics. Guilty until proven innocent---even proof of innocence wasn't enough for an administration bound and determined to have a lynching.

 

[Rocket009]

An internal investigation by the Duke administration for the welfare of their student athletes. What laugh!
Does anyone remember the Duke investigation of the men's lacrosse team. The admin threw the entire team including their coach under the bus and ruined the life of several of their players in the name of political correctness. One of the most unethical and despicable actions by a college administration in the history of college athletics. Guilty until proven innocent---even proof of innocence wasn't enough for an administration bound and determined to have a lynching.

Riding on the Duke bus must be a REALLY bumpy ride. They either have great suspension or...

 

[Geno-ista]

Duke University- an elite bastion of integrity when it comes to investigations!
What the entire University did to that Duke Lacrosse team and coach was one of the most horrific things in history. Did anyone out there see the recent ESPN 30 for 30 - the Big lie ??? It was mortifying what they did to 40 kids and came very close to sending 3 innocent kids to a federal prison. Jay Bilas was the only brave person associated w Duke to ask the question if there was any proof! Coach K was silent!!! And that coach was supposedly his best friend on campus. Biggest which hunt in history. Duke Univ- they can have it!!!

 

[Dillon77]

You stated that "when you are successful Administrations (and I assume the NCAA) will not take a serious view of comments by players". If that were true, Connie Yori would still be coaching at Nebraska.

The Nebraska situation must've been concerning enough to Nebraska that they conducted the investigation during the season and it seemed to haves split the team in two, with a few citing that is one reason why the team spiraled. At this current stage, you have star guard (Natalie Romeo) looking into leaving, while frosh Jessica Shephard's dad said she liked the coach but also liked Nebraska. And you've got male practice players saying this year was the easiest practice atmosphere they've been a part of and blame it on entitled new players. So there's a stew of opinions. Plus, Yori's very contentious divorce was starting to seep into the mix. Here's a link on one such article: Players 'distraught' following Connie Yori's resignation as Nebraska women's basketball coach; touted guard signees assessing situation

So whatever the results, the Administration thought it best to sever and this led to the separation. In this case, it was a resignation agreed-upon payout for Yori. Incidentally, because that was technically a "resignation," the assistants are not bound to any severance by the administration. Linda Williams, the successful South Dakota coach and Cornhusker alum, will now have quite a situation on her hands. BTW,one of the better recruits - Micole Cayton -- is reopening her college search while another -- Kathleen Doyle, Ms. Basketball in Indiana -- was discussing with her parents (and probably seeing what shook out.) Stay tuned on all fronts....

Seems like AD White might be following a similar modus operandi.

 

[bags27]

one of the most horrific things in history.
Biggest which hunt in history.

Sadly, there have been lots, lots worse.

 

[mainejeff]

Yikes! do we need to know this?

Well, it is sorta what this thread is talking about. Provides a framework for what might be going on.

 

[HuskyNan]

Well, it is sorta what this thread is talking about. Provides a framework for what might be going on.

If you have proof, post it, otherwise it's harmful speculation.

 

[xHunt3r]

Well, it is sorta what this thread is talking about. Provides a framework for what might be going on.

While that may be true it's complete speculation to connect the two and will lead to people to jump to conclusions they shouldn't... everyone should just wait and let the investigation run it's course...

 

[Dillon77]

Just a few points.
- My main reason for the post is that the modus operandi being used by the two educational institutions is somewhat similar...an internal investigation.
This has been picked up not just by posters (like me) but media that cover the school: Duke conducting 'evaluation' of women's basketball program. Could be the most "fair" way (objective sense) or the way to get around a long(er)-term contract (cynic's view).
- There were clearly delineated complaints at Nebraska that led to this investigation. (there are a slew of articles on this if you google Yori Resigns)
- Nebraska has kept the specific findings of their investigation private, which I bet was part of the payout deal with Yori. Since Duke is a private institution, I'll wager whatever comes of this is kept under stricter lock and key.
- Yori has had a very successful run, going to the NCAA a lot more than she hasn't in the last five-six years.
- Once again, I'm not defending or accusing either/or in these cases, but more pointing out how both are utilizing internal investigations.

My gut tells me that if Duke is undertaking an investigation like this, there will be some changes...

 

[JellyBean]

These investigations seem to be getting assigned to the universities' lawyers. I'm just curious what all these lawyers are using for their definition of "mistreatment" and whether that is a moving target. "I know it when I see it" or "everybody knows what it is" just doesn't cut it. So what is the standard for what is "mistreatment" and what is not "mistreatment", what is the source of that standard, is it written down anywhere, and how has it been communicated to coaches?

 

[mainejeff]

If you have proof, post it, otherwise it's harmful speculation.

They don't release hospital records due to privacy laws. You know that. If I were a Husky fan, you would be celebrating my statement.......I've read a lot worse on here.