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Rocktheworld said:
He meant an effectively smaller offensive space to work with within the perimeter, as the arc is higher/wider and the paint is bigger in the NBA
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This is like the Geno thread. People freaking out that other people say women's and men's basketball aren't the same sport.
 
SouthBayHusky said:
But we have hit rock bottom already— last year ( first losing season 30 years) and we are on par to repeat that dubious feat again this year with virtually new team. This is never happened. We’re beyond rock bottom, and there nothing to show this will change next year. Next year you say? We’re going to lose our two best players and replace them with a couple of high three star freshman and one top 100 freshman. I don’t understand this. That said I do not think he should be fired midseason unless there was a great coach lined up right now. . But to get him another season and then another is just madness. We are in our fourth season of under performance under Kevin Ollie, that’s enough of a sample size we don’t need a fifth season when the make up of the team is not going to be improved
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If you think this is rock bottom, then I'd love to see what you think of being ECU if we dump Ollie...
 
pj said:
You guys have to stop living in the past. He won a national championship with some help from JC, then he took the training wheels off and drove solo and screwed up the next three years. He learned some lessons, revamped his staff and his recruiting and approach, and will be much better the next three years than he was the last three. How good will that be? We don't know yet, but we shouldn't be promoting this avalanche of pessimism that infects the team and the fanbase. Give KO a chance and let's see what he accomplishes. I think if the team continues to progress this year, he deserves 2018-19. If it progresses in 2018-19, he deserves 2019-20.
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PJ, can you please define what you’d consider making progress the remainder of this year and next year? Does it include wins or just playing with effort and running a true offense?
 
KembaStepback said:
If you think this is rock bottom, then I'd love to see what you think of being ECU if we dump Ollie...
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Phew. Thanks for that. For a minute I thought that the difference between UConn and East Carolina basketball was the four national championships in the last 19 years and the facilities, tradition, nba history etc. I forgot that it’s just Kevin Ollie. I’m convinced. Let’s sign him to a 10 year extension.
 
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polycom said:
Can we end the fantasy that KO runs a pro offense? What NBA team outside of the OKC Thunder run an offense that even looks semi similar?
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It would look like a pro offense if a few of the guys had pro talent and we had a real facilitator.
 
Chief00 said:
It would look like a pro offense if a few of the guys had pro talent and we had a real facilitator.
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No it wouldn't, it would just look like players making things work out of nothing. That isn't an NBA level offense.
 
polycom said:
So after 5 years of coaching he realizes he needs to recruiting shooting? You're okay with that, incredible.
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You actually think that KO is just realizing he needs shooters? Hamilton,Purvis, MAL (decommit), Gilbert (injured 2 years), Larrier (Redshirt and injured until this year), Adams, Vance Jackson, Juwan Durham (who transferred) including all 3 of the incoming recruits. I'll throw in Sid Wilson. Come on.....Larrier is not even all the way back yet. It takes a couple of years to fully recover from that injury. KO has always known that we need shooters.
 
DMIL said:
You actually think that KO is just realizing he needs shooters? Hamilton,Purvis, MAL (decommit), Gilbert (injured 2 years), Larrier (Redshirt and injured until this year), Adams, Vance Jackson, Juwan Durham (who transferred) including all 3 of the incoming recruits. I'll throw in Sid Wilson. Come on.....Larrier is not even all the way back yet. It takes a couple of years to fully recover from that injury. KO has always known that we need shooters.
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Now fully executing on that meaning where it translates to these players contributing to the program now that is where you can say it hasn't quite worked as expected. Part Ollie, part tough luck.
 
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KembaStepback said:
If you think this is rock bottom, then I'd love to see what you think of being ECU if we dump Ollie...
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Given fact KO has smashed all the records (40+ Years) as he marches toward back to back losing seasons, and the fact that Uconn players still rank at the top of AAC, I sort of doubt any new coach will do worse than KO. Just think about it for minute.
 
D$ said:
We are basically ECU right now with Ollie!
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In the neighborhood.... we are in the bottom 1/3 of the conference... but not the bottom, so KO supporters can still point to rock bottom and argue the things are looking up..
 
D$ said:
We are basically ECU right now with Ollie!
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A smarter person would have made it easier on themselves and said Tulsa. You figure out why!:rolleyes:
 
DMIL said:
You actually think that KO is just realizing he needs shooters? Hamilton,Purvis, MAL (decommit), Gilbert (injured 2 years), Larrier (Redshirt and injured until this year), Adams, Vance Jackson, Juwan Durham (who transferred) including all 3 of the incoming recruits. I'll throw in Sid Wilson. Come on.....Larrier is not even all the way back yet. It takes a couple of years to fully recover from that injury. KO has always known that we need shooters.
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Yes, I don't think it's a failure to recognize he needs shooters. It's more of the fact he doesn't develop the talent he has and the talent he does picks up is not groomed or put in position to be successful.
 
BlueDogs said:
Yes, I don't think it's a failure to recognize he needs shooters. It's more of the fact he doesn't develop the talent he has and the talent he does picks up is not groomed or put in position to be successful.
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You don't develop shooters so it's on KO to get shooters ready to come flipping them in from the perimeter. Hopefully he believes Matthews, Akinjo and even a Wilson in more of a mid range type game can fill gaps.
 
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tentoes4rings said:
PJ, can you please define what you’d consider making progress the remainder of this year and next year? Does it include wins or just playing with effort and running a true offense?
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The two go together. If the team loses cohesion and spirit, then you can easily have a season like the 5-22 Washington had last year under Romar and Chillious, with the #1 draft pick on the team. Keeping the team onboard, playing with effort, and running schemes well is a prerequisite for reaching .500.

For making progress -- player development and team development. The players get better over the course of the season and the team gets better. Those are the clearest evidences of effective coaching. They are also the negative recruiting against Ollie -- he doesn't develop players. Ollie needs to answer that criticism on the court.

At the end of the season, you want it to be clear that the team was limited by the talent of the players, not by the effort put forth by players or coach or by the capability of the coach. You want the team to reach its potential. That's all you can ask.
 
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Ollie is soft. The team is soft. Forget shooting or offensive sets. Not completely but they are secondary.

Ollie built an NBA career by putting his head down, working hard, never complaining and never giving up. He was selfless, a great teammate. He didn't cause any trouble. He deferred to the leaders on his teams. He listened to coaches and was self motivated. He exemplified being a good pro. He was all about basketball and team all the time. He was selfless yet carried himself with class.

He now has a much different job. JC, Bobby Knight, Coach K, these guys are obnoxious. They are not likable. They yell, swear, complain, are demonstrative, they ride the refs, they get technical fouls and kicked out of games. Sometimes they pull the starters and put in walk ons. They go right to the line and bully players. They are not nice.

When was the last time Ollie used a technical foul to motivate his team or put a ref on notice? I can't recall ever. He only receives technicals when he loses his cool. When he can't control himself. He doesn't understand that technicals are tools. I don't recall Kevin ever grabbing a kid by the shirt to get his attention. Hell, I don't remember ever seeing him mad.

The things that made Kevin valuable in the NBA are not the things that will make him valuable as a college coach. The things that made him survive in the NBA, now make him look passive. Fighting quietly doesn't look like fighting at all. Being under control looks like lack of passion. Courtesy comes off as surrender. Respecting the refs is much less important than defending your players.

Unfortunately, the things that set an example as a player, send the wrong message as the coach. The players reflect his softness not his work ethic.

Can KO evolve as a coach? Become a mean, tough, SOB? Respect is great but fear is better, can he instill it? That will eventually determine his future success.

When we see an mean, tough SOB standing in front of the bench berating a ref, that will be progress to me.
 
This notion that Napier and Boatwright were coaching the Team in 2014 is foolish.

And perpetuating that phrase makes you a Fool.

It’s OK to say that Ollie’s coaching through the 2014 MM was brilliant ... but he looks lost and confused on how to make this beloved Program today better. These aren’t Nuts. Not mutually exclusive. They are both true.

I say ... what you are pointing out is leadership. And we are going to have Kevin Ollie through March. Let’s see a few experienced guys lead. Maybe then we might feel differently.
 
SouthBayHusky said:
Given fact KO has smashed all the records (40+ Years) as he marches toward back to back losing seasons, and the fact that Uconn players still rank at the top of AAC, I sort of doubt any new coach will do worse than KO. Just think about it for minute.
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UConn players still rank near top of AAC? Aside from Jalen and Terry and MAYBE Vital (unlikely) who is highly ranked? Who is so highly touted that is underperforming? The guys that are supposed to be contributing, are. There just aren't enough of them.
 
Uconn77Duke74 said:
I agree! KO should be one of the best recruiters in the Country. Young, NBA career, winning NC program, etc... etc... He fired a true "coach" in Miller and replaced him with another "recruiter" in Chillious. 100% of what we currently have is on Ollie. The transfers, the crappy in bounds plays, the recruitment of injured players, the lack of shooters etc... To think that we can't fire KO because we may stink next year is ridiculous. We already stink!
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Sorry. I don’t think replacing Miller with Chillious is near the problem.

It’s up to Ollie. His Program - he needs to RE-shape.

Without Miller, Kevin Ollie has a building full of some greatest minds in CBB in Auriemma, Calhoun and Dee Rowe. If he’s not regularly doing an hour every few days with a few of these guys ... he’s failed. He can pick up the phone and call Larry Brown ... and others. Glen Miller wasn’t a big loss. On that bench, it’s on Ollie.

As for not liking Jim Calhoun ... I loved the Big Irish guy. I could care less about what 350+ other schools fans, coaches or lingering trolls think.
 
Pudge said:
Sorry. I don’t think replacing Miller with Chillious is near the problem.

It’s up to Ollie. His Program - he needs to RE-shape.

Without Miller, Kevin Ollie has a building full of some greatest minds in CBB in Auriemma, Calhoun and Dee Rowe. If he’s not regularly doing an hour every few days with a few of these guys ... he’s failed. He can pick up the phone and call Larry Brown ... and others. Glen Miller wasn’t a big loss. On that bench, it’s on Ollie.

As for not liking Jim Calhoun ... I loved the Big Irish guy. I could care less about what 350+ other schools fans, coaches or lingering trolls think.
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Including Dee Rowe with Calhoun and Geno is complete insanity. He was a very mediocre college coach.
 
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Palatine said:
Including Dee Rowe with Calhoun and Geno is complete insanity. He was a very mediocre college coach.
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People who know New England basketball would never agree with you on the guys knowledge.

As a Coach ... you are right. But as someone that you can learn from, you’re wrong.
 
I realize the pickings were thin last spring but KO and Chill should have known that a real 3 pt threat was really needed. Even if he took a kid that was not as athletic but could hit a 3 and knock down his FT.
We have streaky scorers not shooters.
 
BlueDogs said:
Yes, I don't think it's a failure to recognize he needs shooters. It's more of the fact he doesn't develop the talent he has and the talent he does picks up is not groomed or put in position to be successful.
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Maybe however shooters are not typically developed, they are recruited. You can work on improved shooting techniques that improves shooting percentages, efficiency etc however shooters are recruited. There has to be a core talent to work with, something special that applies to a major D1 Program. We've always had shooters and scorers on our most successful teams with solid PG play and a defensive presence in the middle. We know what the blue print is. The whole lack of player development argument is not solid, certainly not conclusive. We have considerable holes right now i.e. defensive presence in the middle, lack of shooters and a true PG. We have a couple of scorers and descent role players.
 
Pudge said:
People who know New England basketball would never agree with you on the guys knowledge.

As a Coach ... you are right. But as someone that you can learn from, you’re wrong.
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He was a very good high school coach, very high profile.

He was the personification of the Peter Principle at UConn. The students used to chant, "Rowe Must Go" at games in the 70s.

He has proven to be a great fund raiser and face for the athletic program. But anyone who thinks he was a good college coach (let alone in the Geno, JC class) never watched him throw away games from the UConn bench. Jack Leaman outcoached him every time they met. Revisionist history will never change that.
 
DMIL said:
Maybe however shooters are not typically developed, they are recruited. You can work on improved shooting techniques that improves shooting percentages, efficiency etc however shooters are recruited. There has to be a core talent to work with, something special that applies to a major D1 Program. We've always had shooters and scorers on our most successful teams with solid PG play and a defensive presence in the middle. We know what the blue print is. The whole lack of player development argument is not solid, certainly not conclusive. We have considerable holes right now i.e. defensive presence in the middle, lack of shooters and a true PG. We have a couple of scorers and descent role players.
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Chillious, is that you? Ricky? Kevin? Kill? Team manager?
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KembaStepback said:
UConn players still rank near top of AAC? Aside from Jalen and Terry and MAYBE Vital (unlikely) who is highly ranked? Who is so highly touted that is underperforming? The guys that are supposed to be contributing, are. There just aren't enough of them.
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Dude, go on verbal commits and look at the player recruiting rankings between us and everyone else. On balance we are at the top as far as national recruiter/player rank numbers. As a whole, our players are ranked higher nationally. We have scads of high four star players, and even some low five star. No other team in AAC has as many as we do.
 
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