DiJonai Carrington top-3

[ju6381]

pretty sure Stanford once held UConn to 12pts in the first half of a National Championship game.

 

[Centerstream]

pretty sure Stanford once held UConn to 12pts in the first half of a National Championship game.

And how many points did Stanford score in the first half and much more importantly, which team scored the most points for the whole game? Just curious...

 

[Centerstream]

Kill this thread! Kill this thread! Good Lawd people?

I kinda agree in that it should be part of the Transfer thread(s). If and when a transferring player commits to a school, maybe then they deserve their own thread on the correct forum. Just a thought and my opinion.

 

[donalddoowop]

My fine equine friend, stop, just stop, Tara's team play defense and play it quite well otherwise her Cardinals never made 26 rounds of the Sweet 16 or better and she would not have won National Coach of the Year 4 times. It's ok if other people, including myself, think DC can help this team and you don't think that. We can disagree without resorting to illogical comebacks.

I don't think that post was meant to be serious, hence the emogi.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Lordie, don't lock it! If DiJonai Carrington had not come along we'd have had to invent her. After all, at least for now, it's this or endless Azzi ruminations.

 

[bluedevil]

CD 4 and DC 1 ?

 

[Alydar]

totally agree. Don't know if Alydar has ever stayed up late enough to watch a West Coast game. Defense: see Arizona State, for example. Let's try our best if we're commenting on players or teams to only speak if we have a clue what we're talking about. And yes, I've lived on the East AND West Coasts so have seen plenty of games and try to be objective.

I was being in jest but I guess I touched a nerve.

My comment goes back over 30 years. I made a lot of money betting against west coast teams (read as PAC12) who came into the men's tournament after playing all season where refs called games very tight and toreador defense was common. So there were always these high-scoring "show time" teams that got into the NCAA's with impressive offensive numbers and couldn't adjust to NCAA as opposed to PAC12 officiating. I would erase all of them in the first 2 rounds every year and rarely regretted it. So I will always think of west coast basketball that way, including the women. Sorry.
I am aware that Stanford plays defense and that ASU has that reputation. That's 2 teams over an area about 1/3 of the country.
And so one of the only good defensive teams Carrington has faced in conference was ASU. Right? And I've seen UConn play ASU when they rotated 5 in 5 out to wear down opponents. Didn't work.

 

[Alydar]

And for the record I watch a lot of PAC12 games. I'm a night owl and games that start at midnight are no problem.

 

[Kevin G]

Apparently you missed the 2018-19 season? Averaged 14.0 ppg and 7.5 rpg as a Jr. on a team that made it to the Elite 8.

And?!? Not convinced

 

[HuskylnSC]

I was being in jest but I guess I touched a nerve.

My comment goes back over 30 years. I made a lot of money betting against west coast teams (read as PAC12) who came into the men's tournament after playing all season where refs called games very tight and toreador defense was common. So there were always these high-scoring "show time" teams that got into the NCAA's with impressive offensive numbers and couldn't adjust to NCAA as opposed to PAC12 officiating. I would erase all of them in the first 2 rounds every year and rarely regretted it. So I will always think of west coast basketball that way, including the women. Sorry.
I am aware that Stanford plays defense and that ASU has that reputation. That's 2 teams over an area about 1/3 of the country.
And so one of the only good defensive teams Carrington has faced in conference was ASU. Right? And I've seen UConn play ASU when they rotated 5 in 5 out to wear down opponents. Didn't work.

I can remember the years i was terrified that we would get 3 PAC-10 refs for a NCAA tourney game. I thought that they considered any contact on another player a foul. I couldn't believe some of the calls. The refs were fair but they infringed upon the way Big East teams play the game. I'm usually very quiet when I watch a game, but I remember screaming at the TV, "It's a contact game." Referencing Bill Russell who explained that basketball is a contact sport, but not a collision sport.

 

[jonson]

And for the record I watch a lot of PAC12 games. I'm a night owl and games that start at midnight are no problem.

Well, as most folks have noticed, the Pac 12 has changed quite a bit from 30 years ago. If I remember correctly, UCONN scored 56 points and shot 39% playing Oregon at Gampel this past season. And here are Massey's 2019-20 defensive ratings for 6 Pac12 schools: Arizona (9), Stanford (10), Oregon (11), Oregon State (13), Arizona State (16), and Colorado (36). UCONN is at #4, but with a weaker SOS than 3 of the above. I know it's Massey, but it does suggest that your assumptions about Carrington need to be adjusted.

 

[Centerstream]

All good, sorry for the response.

Yup, all good and your response was appropriate based upon my reply to you.

 

[Lorcan]

I was being in jest but I guess I touched a nerve.

My comment goes back over 30 years. I made a lot of money betting against west coast teams (read as PAC12) who came into the men's tournament after playing all season where refs called games very tight and toreador defense was common. So there were always these high-scoring "show time" teams that got into the NCAA's with impressive offensive numbers and couldn't adjust to NCAA as opposed to PAC12 officiating. I would erase all of them in the first 2 rounds every year and rarely regretted it. So I will always think of west coast basketball that way, including the women. Sorry.
I am aware that Stanford plays defense and that ASU has that reputation. That's 2 teams over an area about 1/3 of the country.
And so one of the only good defensive teams Carrington has faced in conference was ASU. Right? And I've seen UConn play ASU when they rotated 5 in 5 out to wear down opponents. Didn't work.

I find it interesting that you're referencing a game from 11 years ago in 2009, when UConn had 3 future WNBA All-Stars on their roster in Hayes, Charles, and Maya while Arizona State had only had one player that I recall being of note in Briann January as a part of your argument. UConn has never won a game in Tempe, Arizona against Charli Turner-Thorne as the Sun Devils surprised then #8 UConn in the forgettable 2004 campaign. There's really not enough data to reflect the effectiveness of ASU's style of play against a team like UConn, but I imagine that if you gave Charli enough chances against Geno, she'd find a way to snatch a few games here and there given how her team has managed to do against Stanford, Oregon, and even giving Baylor a fit just a season ago.

I'd agree with some of the others that there are plenty more good defensive teams in the Pac-12 than just Arizona State and Stanford, especially if Massey is anything to go by.

 

[nwhoopfan]

And?!? Not convinced

Well, I don't need to convince you. But as noted she scored 21 on 8-15 shooting and grabbed 7 boards in a visit to Storrs in November of '17. UConn won handily but Carrington had herself a nice game.

She looked really good in December of '18 dropping 33 on 11-15 w/ 13 boards on the road against a previously undefeated Tennessee team. Of course I'm just cherry picking a few games, but it proves she can play at a very high level against talented teams.

 

[CaliHuskyFan]

Well, I don't need to convince you. But as noted she scored 21 on 8-15 shooting and grabbed 7 boards in a visit to Storrs in November of '17. UConn won handily but Carrington had herself a nice game.

She looked really good in December of '18 dropping 33 on 11-15 w/ 13 boards on the road against a previously undefeated Tennessee team. Of course I'm just cherry picking a few games, but it proves she can play at a very high level against talented teams.

The November 2017 Stanford vs. Uconn game was actually held on a neutral court at Nationwide Arena in Ohio. My memory is foggy as to why it was played there, but I think it had something to do with a “road to Columbus“ promotion for the 2018 final four. I wish they had played in Storrs, because then DiJonai would have experienced the wonderful Uconn fans and playing environment.

But I completely agree with you that, if healthy, Carrington has shown she can play at a high level against talented teams.

 

[Alydar]

Well, as most folks have noticed, the Pac 12 has changed quite a bit from 30 years ago. If I remember correctly, UCONN scored 56 points and shot 39% playing Oregon at Gampel this past season. And here are Massey's 2019-20 defensive ratings for 6 Pac12 schools: Arizona (9), Stanford (10), Oregon (11), Oregon State (13), Arizona State (16), and Colorado (36). UCONN is at #4, but with a weaker SOS than 3 of the above. I know it's Massey, but it does suggest that your assumptions about Carrington need to be adjusted.

I wasn't justifying my opinion, just relating how it came about. But it gets re-enforced whenever UConn travels west for games.

Massey takes SOS into consideration in it's algorithm. And if you read the posts of UConn fans about their defense this year you'd know that this season was easily the worst UConn defensive team in over least a decade and yet Massey has them at No 4.


I think Oregon fans will be using 2020 to make points for a long time. Not that I blame you but 2020 was a great year for the P12 while other conferences/UConn regressed.

 

[Figurehead]

I honestly did not know UCONN played in a conference. I thought they were independent.

 

[Figurehead]

Lordie, don't lock it! If DiJonai Carrington had not come along we'd have had to invent her. After all, at least for now, it's this or endless Azzi ruminations.

Would an Azzi thread be a Notre Dame recruit thread?

 

[EdSaid]

I honestly did not know UCONN played in a conference. I thought they were independent.

I guess the American was a Conference (the Clean Sweep Conference). The Big East is better, but not what it used to be.

How about a women's basketball super conference? ND, Stanford, SC, Baylor, UConn, Maryland, Oregon, Oregon State, Louisville, UCLA, Miss St, NC State, DePaul and Northwestern. Home and home across the board 26 games schedule. The best of the best. No team goes undefeated. ESPN would love it. It would be great for Women's basketball.

I know The NCAA would say no, Conferences would say no, AD's would say no. Crybaby men's coaches would say no.

 

[nwhoopfan]

The November 2017 Stanford vs. Uconn game was actually held on a neutral court at Nationwide Arena in Ohio.

Oops. Thanks for the correction.

 

[HuskylnSC]

Well, I don't need to convince you. But as noted she scored 21 on 8-15 shooting and grabbed 7 boards in a visit to Storrs in November of '17. UConn won handily but Carrington had herself a nice game.

She looked really good in December of '18 dropping 33 on 11-15 w/ 13 boards on the road against a previously undefeated Tennessee team. Of course I'm just cherry picking a few games, but it proves she can play at a very high level against talented teams.

Did you just use the word 'talented' in reference to the 2018-19 tennessee team.? the 7-9 sec tennessee? the seventh place sec tennessee? that tennessee? the team that was so dysfunctional that their coach was fired tennessee? That is some high class cherry picking. But you do get extra credit for your honesty in the games you selected.

 

[HuskylnSC]

To be honest, I was very impressed with DJC the last time I saw her play. She played with an almost reckless abandon that demonstrated a passion for the game. I greatly enjoyed what she added to the game. In light of a one year transfer, I question what she can add to the current UConn team. I understand the only 10 player argument in regards to travel practice, but that is of small concern to me. The primary need is finding post backup for Olivia. Someone who can spell her for 3 minutes 3 times a game without a significant drop off on the defensive end. Piath may develop into that player, but that remains to be seen. I would love to see a seasoned post banger to play while Piath develops. We are adding 6 new players to the team, that probably is going without the typical summer scrimmage/bonding time. Adding a 7th will just add to the integration and team chemistry issues.

 

[mhshuskies]

Would an Azzi thread be a Notre Dame recruit thread?

Why would Azzi go to nd? They only win an NC once per 20 years, so she will not still be playing there!

 

[JonathanXIV]

I guess the American was a Conference (the Clean Sweep Conference). The Big East is better, but not what it used to be.

How about a women's basketball super conference? ND, Stanford, SC, Baylor, UConn, Maryland, Oregon, Oregon State, Louisville, UCLA, Miss St, NC State, DePaul and Northwestern. Home and home across the board 26 games schedule. The best of the best. No team goes undefeated. ESPN would love it. It would be great for Women's basketball.

I know The NCAA would say no, Conferences would say no, AD's would say no. Crybaby men's coaches would say no.

Interesting that you put together a super conference of 14 teams and did not include Tennessee. How the mighty have fallen.

 

[oldhusky]

To be honest, I was very impressed with DJC the last time I saw her play. She played with an almost reckless abandon that demonstrated a passion for the game. I greatly enjoyed what she added to the game. In light of a one year transfer, I question what she can add to the current UConn team. I understand the only 10 player argument in regards to travel practice, but that is of small concern to me. The primary need is finding post backup for Olivia. Someone who can spell her for 3 minutes 3 times a game without a significant drop off on the defensive end. Piath may develop into that player, but that remains to be seen. I would love to see a seasoned post banger to play while Piath develops. We are adding 6 new players to the team, that probably is going without the typical summer scrimmage/bonding time. Adding a 7th will just add to the integration and team chemistry issues.

Agree with all of this, and like many I view a Liv backup that is ready to go as the best potential addition. In some ways if healthy we can cover for that now, not with Piath, but rather with short stretches of Liv being out handled by playing Alliah at the 5 and bringing Aubrey in at the 4. That would be a little undersized but with enough talent to make it work.

The issue with DJC as I see it, is how she would be used. I could see her perspective and Geno's potentially being very different. Of course most any coach would love to have her as "insurance", but her recent interviews suggest she wants an important role, and she also talks about the WNBA.

Some things fit and others don't. This team could use a player that takes it aggressively to the basket and draws some fouls. As a team we didn't get to the line much. On the other hand I think Geno is so turnover adverse that he frequently weens that trait from some players. CW in particular I believe could drive the lane and go all the way or pull up for a mid-range jumper, but seems to struggle a little with how aggressive to be and then turns into a spot up three point shooter.

If you didn't know her size in advance and looked up her stats, you might think DJC was a 4. She certainly rebounds like one, but her ball-handling numbers look like one also. Sometimes coaches try to fit a square peg in a round hole. Those are usually systems coaches looking for players that will adapt their game to your system. Others at least for talented players adjust the system to the player's strength. Geno is mostly the former but has also done a fair amount of the later, maybe Gabby being the best example of finding a way to use her gifts to be effective offensively.

So with the chess pieces we have how could she best fit? To me it would be competing with Anna for small forward minutes. Between the two you have pretty much every skill covered. Great outside shooting and passing from Anna, great rebounding, penetration/drawing fouls, and good defense from DJC. Her rebounding edge could make her a better SF fit than the other alternatives, namely playing small-ball with SG's there, Evina or CW, or going with another rebounder, but far less skilled and inexperienced (Mir).

If doing that on a probable final four team, with lots of exposure is enough of a role and helps her enhance whatever WNBA prospects she has, then maybe the right role from both the player and the coaches perspective can come into sync.

 

[WFFL]

Yep!

Sabally Jr and Sedona Prince will be lottery picks IMO.

 

[oldude]

Sabally Jr and Sedona Prince will be lottery picks IMO.

That’s a pretty bold prediction considering that both have injury concerns and neither has played a single minute of college basketball.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

I guess the American was a Conference (the Clean Sweep Conference). The Big East is better, but not what it used to be.

How about a women's basketball super conference? ND, Stanford, SC, Baylor, UConn, Maryland, Oregon, Oregon State, Louisville, UCLA, Miss St, NC State, DePaul and Northwestern. Home and home across the board 26 games schedule. The best of the best. No team goes undefeated. ESPN would love it. It would be great for Women's basketball.

I know The NCAA would say no, Conferences would say no, AD's would say no. Crybaby men's coaches would say no.

Brenda Frese would say no.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Did you just use the word 'talented' in reference to the 2018-19 tennessee team.? the 7-9 sec tennessee? the seventh place sec tennessee? that tennessee? the team that was so dysfunctional that their coach was fired tennessee? That is some high class cherry picking. But you do get extra credit for your honesty in the games you selected.

Yes, I did say talented, because that team had talent. Several of their players will be in the WNBA. It was a very poorly coached and underachieving team, but that doesn't wipe out the raw abilities of some of their players.

edit--if in your opinion there was no talent on that team, why did Geno take a transfer player from that squad?

 

[donalddoowop]

It won't matter because, if a vaccine is not developed and readily available to the public by the end of this year or the beginning of next year, as the president is saying, there will probably be no 2020-2021 season.