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Developing Jay Stewart in game might be reasonable

I hope Stewart stays.

I think it is funny that this open transfer rule is actually going to hurt some young players. There are going to be some young guys who bounce from program to program because they don't put the necessary work in, but may have actually been developed if they stayed at one school, listened to the staff and did the work.

I'm not saying that's what is happening at all with this young kid. I know Hurley is high on him. I don't think he's going anywhere because he came in knowing Karaban was here. He just needs to be patient.
 
uconnfan68 said:
So coaches aren't usually much better [AT WHAT?] than their players.
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If you're going to say that coaches aren't better than players, then you are comparing the two.

For the comparison to make sense, you have compare same or similar attributes that apply to both coaches and players.

For the comparison to matter, you have to compare things that relate to college basketball.

So far, you haven't done either in any meaningful way. I do not expect you to do so, and it doesn't matter enough for me to pursue it further.

I'll offer my own belief that there is only one relevant way in which coaches and players could be compared as you persist in arguing, but my opinion is that a comparison would be meaningless, so I won't weigh in on whether I agree with it or not:

"Coaches aren't usually better at doing what coaches do than their players are at doing what players do."

You may be satisfied with the premise of such a comparison, and hold the belief that your evaluation of it is correct. Fair enough.

In 8th grade, my friend Gerry was fond of asking classmates, "Do you walk to school or bring your lunch?" or, "Is it closer to New York than by bus?" Both exhibited nascent attainment of the psychological development stage called "formal operations." At this stage a person can not only consider things sequentially and logically toward individual or collaborative problem-solving, but can also veer off that course and playfully manipulate things to allow for the possibility of a sense of humor expressing itself through use of illogic, irony, sarcasm, non sequiturs, absurdities, word play, and such. By those standards, I have no doubt that you are right.

Savor the day.
 
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Go look at the box score and focus on the bench production from tonight’s game against St. John’s. It’s worrisome to say the least.

We are going to need Jay Stewart’s development at some point.

That said I’m going to enjoy this win. Merry Christmas
 
SeattleHoop said:
Bump.
Go look at the box score and focus on the bench production from tonight’s game against St. John’s. It’s worrisome to say the least.

We are going to need Jay Stewart’s development at some point.

That said I’m going to enjoy this win. Merry Christmas
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He’ll get some run against DePaul
 
Hans Sprungfeld said:
If you're going to say that coaches aren't better than players, then you are comparing the two.

For the comparison to make sense, you have compare same or similar attributes that apply to both coaches and players.

For the comparison to matter, you have to compare things that relate to college basketball.

So far, you haven't done either in any meaningful way. I do not expect you to do so, and it doesn't matter enough for me to pursue it further.

I'll offer my own belief that there is only one relevant way in which coaches and players could be compared as you persist in arguing, but my opinion is that a comparison would be meaningless, so I won't weigh in on whether I agree with it or not:

"Coaches aren't usually better at doing what coaches do than their players are at doing what players do."

You may be satisfied with the premise of such a comparison, and hold the belief that your evaluation of it is correct. Fair enough.

In 8th grade, my friend Gerry was fond of asking classmates, "Do you walk to school or bring your lunch?" or, "Is it closer to New York than by bus?" Both exhibited nascent attainment of the psychological development stage called "formal operations." At this stage a person can not only consider things sequentially and logically toward individual or collaborative problem-solving, but can also veer off that course and playfully manipulate things to allow for the possibility of a sense of humor expressing itself through use of illogic, irony, sarcasm, non sequiturs, absurdities, word play, and such. By those standards, I have no doubt that you are right.

Savor the day.
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Is English your second language?
 
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HuskyWarrior611 said:
Does it matter if he’ll just sit the next close game?
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I’m almost sure Stewart was not ready to contribute in such a physical, defensive game. He’s only gonna play against overmatched teams until he develops more it seems.
 

444JR said:
In the past Hurley has mentioned regrets about not getting guys more burn sooner in their careers. Isaiah Whaley is one, off the top of my head, that Hurley admitted he should have played more.
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You talking about while at UConn? Whaley and….any others?
 
Huskyforlife said:
I’m almost sure Stewart was not ready to contribute in such a physical, defensive game. He’s only gonna play against overmatched teams until he develops more it seems.
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Well he’s not going to develop until he gets experience playing in some of these physical close games to see how they are.

You get better by going through things. Deferring it only stunts and pushes back the development he eventually needs to experience to get better.

3-5 mins a half will not kill us.
 
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Yeah, I mean we can't see what he's doing in practice but the last game he got minutes that weren't garbage time he had a few nice jumpers. No idea why he's not getting any time
 
I still think that a large part of the issue is that (at least in the staff's eye) his ball handling isn't where it needs to be at this point.

He did get on the floor a couple times last night. If he demonstrated that he deserved to remain on the floor, he would have gotten more run. His minutes will come as he continues to develop.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I still think that a large part of the issue is that (at least in the staff's eye) his ball handling isn't where it needs to be at this point.

He did get on the floor a couple times last night. If he demonstrated that he deserved to remain on the floor, he would have gotten more run. His minutes will come as he continues to develop.
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I'm 99% sure he didn't get on the floor. He isn't in the box score either
 
You want to win when we have been struggling?
Or you want to develop Stewart?

A close rockfight was not the game to start on the job training.

If we lost there would be a lot of people freaking on Hurley.

Hurley is trying to win games with his lottery pick out for a month and in a tight game in the conference home opener.

I’m not sure you can have both..

If we lost there would be a complete meltdown so what’s wrong with keeping the players on the floor who the coach feels give us the best chance winning in that situation.
 
Captbluefin said:
You want to win when we have been struggling?
Or you want to develop Stewart?

A close rockfight was not the game to start on the job training.

If we lost there would be a lot of people freaking on Hurley.

Hurley is trying to win games with his lottery pick out for a month and in a tight game in the conference home opener.

I’m not sure you can have both..

If we lost there would be a complete meltdown so what’s wrong with keeping the players on the floor who the coach feels give us the best chance winning in that situation.
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The key to winning future games is to develop the talent. Karaban hasn't been good the last few games but Hurley has stuck with him and not tried to throw Stewart in there for 5 minutes to see what he can do. When Uconn was down and none of the starters could do anything against Seton Hall, should have just thrown him in.
 
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Letsgohuskies11 said:
I'm 99% sure he didn't get on the floor. He isn't in the box score either
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I was at a family event last night so I had to watch the game without sound. Evidently I was wrong but I thought I saw him check in briefly in the first half at two different times.

In all candor it appears that your stance is that it us far more important to give this kid PT than it is to win games and build the team as a whole.
 
Stewart will get more run against teams without a formidable 5 man when Karaban isn’t foul trouble.

That way you can shift Karaban to the 5 and play Stewart at the 4. You can do this for probably 3min a half.

DePaul, Butler, Xavier are all teams you can do this against. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t get run in the next 3 games.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I was at a family event last night so I had to watch the game without sound. Evidently I was wrong but I thought I saw him check in briefly in the first half at two different times.

In all candor it appears that your stance is that it us far more important to give this kid PT than it is to win games and build the team as a whole.
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I never said that. I said again when no one could get anything going in Seton Hall they should have given him some time. When Karaban is cold as hell and not keeping up with his man on defense, why not throw him in? A top 50 recruit is going to want playing time and to develop. Isn't building the team, giving young guys PT so they can contribute and help the team out down the road? Would it be possible to win games while playing him? Sounds like you think no.
 
Huskyforlife said:
I’m almost sure Stewart was not ready to contribute in such a physical, defensive game. He’s only gonna play against overmatched teams until he develops more it seems.
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It was an intresting game for Singare. He first rotation in, he was manhandled. His 2nd rotation, he was much better, and I for one was pleasantly surprised. Sometimes it takes game experience, and a chippy one at that, to bring out toughness. Dan Hurley knows what he is doing, but we sure could use some minutes at the 4 to allow Alex a breather. If Stewart can shoot the three, and he has a nice stroke, that would help. However, that one defense rotation he missed, can leave a coach sleepless.
 
Letsgohuskies11 said:
I never said that. I said again when no one could get anything going in Seton Hall they should have given him some time. When Karaban is cold as hell and not keeping up with his man on defense last night, why not throw him in? A top 50 recruit is going to want playing time and to develop. Isn't building the team, giving young guys PT so they can contribute and help the team out down the road? Would it be possible to win games while playing him? Sounds like you think no.
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What I think is basically that the staff knows a hell of a lot more than we do and they are going to do what they believe is best for the program as a whole whenever possible. If we win a close, hard fought game while down a critical piece, the last thing I would do afterwards is complain about the amount of PT someone who hasn't yet been able to work his way into the rotation got in that win.

I believe that the basic difference in our viewpoints is that I believe Dan Hurley has given everyone opportunities to earn PT and that they are receiving (within reason) what they've earned. It seems that you believe that in certain cases (I'm guessing HS press clippings), players should be given PT to demonstrate if they can or cannot perform.

I'm confident that Dan Hurley wants to win and that he will do what he believes puts us in the best position to win. Will he always be right? No, nobody will. I do believe however that he has been fair to everyone and that nobody is being deprived of opportunities.
 
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Captbluefin said:
You want to win when we have been struggling?
Or you want to develop Stewart?

A close rockfight was not the game to start on the job training.

If we lost there would be a lot of people freaking on Hurley.

Hurley is trying to win games with his lottery pick out for a month and in a tight game in the conference home opener.

I’m not sure you can have both..

If we lost there would be a complete meltdown so what’s wrong with keeping the players on the floor who the coach feels give us the best chance winning in that situation.
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Agree it’s possible last nights game may not have been the right game. But the game against the Hall there was zero reason for him not to see the floor when all else was failing. And I’m sure that has factored into how he wasn’t the same guy in the sidelines and in the huddle.
I know there are those who said “oh well he was right about Diggins, Floyd others” well this isn’t them. Kid can be a player and in the portal years it’s time to worry what’s being thrown in his ear!
 
navery12 said:
Yes, let him get his confidence up against the bad teams and then he'll be ready when we put him in against the better teams
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That’s what the non-conference cupcakes and big games were suppose to be for. And Seton Hall.

I don’t know what we’re stalling his development for at this point.
 
mauconnfan said:
Agree it’s possible last nights game may not have been the right game. But the game against the Hall there was zero reason for him not to see the floor when all else was failing. And I’m sure that has factored into how he wasn’t the same guy in the sidelines and in the huddle.
I know there are those who said “oh well he was right about Diggins, Floyd others” well this isn’t them. Kid can be a player and in the portal years it’s time to worry what’s being thrown in his ear!
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Serious question, do you think you understand the team dynamics better than Hurley, Kimani, Tom and Luke? Seriously
 
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