Depaul Tops ND 105 to 94

[Dillon77]

31 pts vs DePaul’s Lilliputians does not a POY make. The same player scored exactly 4 pts vs the Huskies, being largely shut down by Kyla Irwin.

Oh 'cmon Oldude, did you slip some vinegar in your early-morning coffee?
Without question, Sam and DePaul's Stonewall were the only players over 6' tall last night, but she delivered offensively, just like the doctor (or even the coach) ordered. I remember Jessica Shepard did the same her junior year on the same court.

As for Kyla Irwin largely "shutting her down," I'm sure you hit the send button before noting that Sam was only in the first half before doing something to her knee.

The POY is indeed some hyperbole perhaps brought on by eating Cap'n Crunch in the morning, but Sam can -- and did -- put the ball in the basket, as did fellow frosh Anaya Peoples. They've just got to stop the other team from doing it more often!

 

[cbraarj]

I think it was in the early 90s...something I can barely remember. Wish I could say the same about this

I read somewhere it was the mid 2000s after lost to Uconn.

 

[oldude]

Oh 'cmon Oldude, did you slip some vinegar in your early-morning coffee?
Without question, Sam and DePaul's Stonewall were the only players over 6' tall last night, but she delivered offensively, just like the doctor (or even the coach) ordered. I remember Jessica Shepard did the same her junior year on the same court.

As for Kyla Irwin largely "shutting her down," I'm sure you hit the send button before noting that Sam was only in the first half before doing something to her knee.

The POY is indeed some hyperbole perhaps brought on by eating Cap'n Crunch in the morning, but Sam can -- and did -- put the ball in the basket, as did fellow frosh Anaya Peoples. They've just got to stop the other team from doing it more often!

Back in prehistoric times, I grew to 6’ tall at the age of 12. I used to dominate local youth league basketball playing center against far smaller opponents. Unfortunately, I topped out at 6’2” and the skinny little kids I was playing against got taller and more athletic, plus I was vertically challenged . By the time I got to HS I was hanging around the perimeter as a wing or shooting guard.

In all honesty, SB is better than I thought she would be. But seriously, against DePaul’s little team, she looked like Shaquille O’Neal last night.

 

[LoTrader]

Only on a team like DePaul would your point guard lead the team in rebounds (while still racking up a team-leading 9 assists). Just missed the triple double.

She and Stonewall were key to that win in my bleary-eyed estimation.

Not true. Oregon State is nothing like DePaul, and Mikayla Pivec (guard) has led OSU in rebounding a number of games over multiple seasons.

 

[Dillon77]

Not true. Oregon State is nothing like DePaul, and Mikayla Pivec (guard) has led OSU in rebounding a number of games over multiple seasons.

It's ok, LoTrader, I'm not attacking your beloved Beavers. I'm well aware of Pivec's rebounding talents, given they've played the Irish. In fact, I think she is averaging (close to) double figures.
But she's not the ostensible

Not true. Oregon State is nothing like DePaul, and Mikayla Pivec (guard) has led OSU in rebounding a number of games over multiple seasons.

Actually, she's leading the team in rebounding average and assists, although in the latter she, Goodman and Slocum all average in the "5's" per game. And, of course, she's also leading the Beavers in scoring, so she's a Beaver of a different color altogether.

I'm well aware of Pivec's value as an overall player and teammate, having watched her many times and the time(s?) she played ND. Tough kid. Does a lot of things for that team that Maddie Cable or Jackie Young (more recently) used to do for ND: score, rebound, pass. And all quite well.

I was obviously referring to the game last night where Campbell nearly has a triple double, while running the point. The main difference I see between the two is Pivec scores a bunch, while Campbell is also the key person with the ball on a string, while Pivec shares it with Goodman and Slocum. Look forward to the conference slate of games.

 

[huskyd]

Brunel is a beast, a possible future POY, though the competition from UConn players will be tough.

"Sam Brunelle"?

 

[eebmg]

Back in prehistoric times, I grew to 6’ tall at the age of 12. I used to dominate local youth league basketball playing center against far smaller opponents. Unfortunately, I topped out at 6’2” and the skinny little kids I was playing against got taller and more athletic, plus I was vertically challenged . By the time I got to HS I was hanging around the perimeter as a wing or shooting guard.

In all honesty, SB is better than I thought she would be. But seriously, against DePaul’s little team, she looked like Shaquille O’Neal last night.

After SB was abused by Liv, no wonder she saw fresh guppies in the water

 

[oldude]

After SB was abused by Liv, no wonder she saw fresh guppies in the water

Liv was only part of the problem. Both Kyla and Aubrey took turns locking her down.

 

[eebmg]

Liv was only part of the problem. Both Kyla and Aubrey took turns locking her down.

I was referring more to the manhandling Liv did on SB in the post.

 

[Bretski]

Oh 'cmon Oldude, did you slip some vinegar in your early-morning coffee?
Without question, Sam and DePaul's Stonewall were the only players over 6' tall last night, but she delivered offensively, just like the doctor (or even the coach) ordered. I remember Jessica Shepard did the same her junior year on the same court.

As for Kyla Irwin largely "shutting her down," I'm sure you hit the send button before noting that Sam was only in the first half before doing something to her knee.

The POY is indeed some hyperbole perhaps brought on by eating Cap'n Crunch in the morning, but Sam can -- and did -- put the ball in the basket, as did fellow frosh Anaya Peoples. They've just got to stop the other team from doing it more often!

i don’t know Dillion...remember the game when Moriah Jefferson was defending Kayla McBride from just trying to walk out to inbound the ball. You can totally shut down someone not in the game

 

[MilfordHusky]

Indeed.

Look at the determination on Maya Moore's face.

 

[UConnCat]

Indeed.

A few of us BYers were at that game. I still can't believe UConn won. Senior night for Allie Quigley.

 

[HopJim]

DePaul plays fast so I expect UConn’s transition game to score big.

I am picturing a lot of full court drives for layups by Williams and Griffin. Tough for any team to prepare for their speed and power in transition.

 

[oldude]

Muffet looks unhinged. She seemed over the top all game. Perhaps this team could use a calm and steady leader on the sideline.

I just watched MM’s postgame presser, and the way she threw her team under the bus, I thought I was listening to HW again.

In addition, at the beginning of the video I’m reasonably certain that a hot mic picks up MM breaking the 3rd commandment under her breath.

10 Our Fathers & 10 Hail Marys.

 

[LoTrader]

MM looks like she is about to cry. Everything MM shared is symptomatic of zero experience on the floor.

 

[UConnCat]

Muffet looks unhinged. She seemed over the top all game. Perhaps this team could use a calm and steady leader on the sideline.

She looked like she was about to cry, or had already done so.

Last night was not Muffet's best coaching job.

 

[Plebe]

Only on a team like DePaul would your point guard lead the team in rebounds (while still racking up a team-leading 9 assists). Just missed the triple double.

She and Stonewall were key to that win in my bleary-eyed estimation.

Campbell and Stonewall both had to sit in the 1st half due to foul trouble, which really allowed ND to take the lead as they did. No doubt those two are the heart and soul of the team, even when Morris is torching the nets like this.

 

[Plebe]

Fairfield Fan said: When was the last time Notre Dame lost so many games, especially so early in the season?
I think it was in the early 90s...something I can barely remember. Wish I could say the same about this

I looked in the media guide for the answer.

• The last time Notre Dame lost 7+ games **in an entire season** was the 2010-11 season, which ended at 31-8 with a loss in the championship game to Texas A&M.
  
  
• The last time ND lost 7+ **out of their first 12 games** was the 1991-92 season (Muffet's 5th at ND). They started that season 3-8, then 4-11, then 6-14. They still won the Midwestern Collegiate Conference tournament (beating Dayton, Detroit and Xavier) and then lost to UCLA in the NCAAT 1st round, finishing their season 14-17. This was the last time ND had a losing season.
  
  
• Other seasons in Muffet's tenure when ND got off to a poor start:
  1997-98: started 3-4, finished 22-10 (lost to Purdue in Sweet 16)
  2001-02: started 2-4, finished 20-10 (lost to Tennessee in 2nd round)
  2003-04: started 3-4, finished 21-11 (lost to Penn State in Sweet 16)

 

[Crossover]

Bruno will have DePaul ready for this game... He understands the magnitude of the this game and he will be looking to make history. Can UConn control tempo?

Yes.

 

[Dillon77]

i don’t know Dillion...remember the game when Moriah Jefferson was defending Kayla McBride from just trying to walk out to inbound the ball. You can totally shut down someone not in the game

Gee, you're doing me a public service forcing my brain to remember! I do remember MJ and friends keeping so tight on K-Mac at times that she'd be launching three's from way beyond the arc so she could get off a clean look. Intensity much?

I looked in the media guide for the answer.

• The last time Notre Dame lost 7+ games **in an entire season** was the 2010-11 season, which ended at 31-8 with a loss in the championship game to Texas A&M.
  
  
• The last time ND lost 7+ **out of their first 12 games** was the 1991-92 season (Muffet's 5th at ND). They started that season 3-8, then 4-11, then 6-14. They still won the Midwestern Collegiate Conference tournament (beating Dayton, Detroit and Xavier) and then lost to UCLA in the NCAAT 1st round, finishing their season 14-17. This was the last time ND had a losing season.
  
  
• Other seasons in Muffet's tenure when ND got off to a poor start:
  1997-98: started 3-4, finished 22-10 (lost to Purdue in Sweet 16)
  2001-02: started 2-4, finished 20-10 (lost to Tennessee in 2nd round)
  2003-04: started 3-4, finished 21-11 (lost to Penn State in Sweet 16)

Thanks, Plebe. Well, at least I remembered the right decade!
The silver lining this year (one hopes) is that Gilbert, Peoples and Brunelle are getting plenty of experience so they can mesh with the incoming 2020 class. Vaughn should be bac, too, but I don't want to jinx her at this point.
, but knowing K-Mac she got back at MoJeff by launching threes from 5 to 10 feet beyound the arc! That three-OT game still reverberates in my brain.

 

[willtalk]

This year ND is a bottom line example of how coach usually has to have a modicum of talent to accomplish anything. It is very difficult to compare coach's abilities because they are working with different resources. Many had put Muffet in the elite coaching category based on her record the decade. She certainly does not look elite this year. The question is how many coaches usually are working with the level of players she has this year. Another would be as to how many coaches would look elite if they had elite talent to work with.

Some coaches do better with less, while some operating with less would not know what do even if the had more to work with.

 

[HuskylnSC]

Indeed.

So that's what a game is like with 2 good announcers. Great communication of all issues and several petinent sidebars. Does anyone know who called the game.

 

[HuskylnSC]

I just watched MM’s postgame presser, and the way she threw her team under the bus, I thought I was listening to HW again.

In addition, at the beginning of the video I’m reasonably certain that a hot mic picks up MM breaking the 3rd commandment under her breath.

10 Our Fathers & 10 Hail Marys.

i could not believe the things she said about her own team. It got to the point where it did sound like Holly explaining she coached them right and they didn't execute. Bad night for MM.

 

[Hope]

"Sam Brunelle"?

Is it Brunel, Brunell, or Brunelle? Brunelle? You, sir, are correct! Let's go down to Holly Rowe. Holly, what do we have for the winner? Thank you Kevin. Muffet McGraw has been kind enough to donate this red Hermès scarf . . .

 

[01Neaggrad02]

Wow.. Muffet swore.... Bless her cotton socks. Hey.... I was just thinking.... these players lost more games in one year than KLS and Collier lost in four years....

 

[Reypl21]

I'm worried that her bitterness and on the sideline antics are going to lead to some of these players' transfers after this season. She has been harsh, but I get it frustrating for her. If she doesn't tone it down, she's going to be playing with all new players next year as well.

 

[Orangutan]

This year ND is a bottom line example of how coach usually has to have a modicum of talent to accomplish anything. It is very difficult to compare coach's abilities because they are working with different resources. Many had put Muffet in the elite coaching category based on her record the decade. She certainly does not look elite this year. The question is how many coaches usually are working with the level of players she has this year. Another would be as to how many coaches would look elite if they had elite talent to work with.

Some coaches do better with less, while some operating with less would not know what do even if the had more to work with.

I'm just going to keep saying my catchphrase for this ND season - "It turns out losing your nine best players is bad"

Still playing a schedule befitting a top 5 team hasn't helped.

I saw a tweet from Oregon touting their upcoming games against Loyola Marymount and Long Beach State. Must be nice.

This group will improve over the course of the year and getting Vaughn (and maybe Prohaska?) back will help a great deal. I just hope Muffet doesn't lose the locker room first.

Niele Ivey's ray of sunshine disposition would be a big help right about now.

 

[Cuango]

She looked like she was about to cry, or had already done so.

Last night was not Muffet's best coaching job.

That press conference was brutal! Muffed threw the entire team, with the exception of Brunelle, under the bus. She sounded like she didn’t even like them (her team)! That must be pretty disheartening to hear that from your coach!

 

[oldude]

Many of us have wondered why Patterson and Nixon, 2 players who were clearly penciled in to ND’s starting lineup this season, would transfer after last season. While Jackie Young turned pro, she could have stayed to complete her senior year. Perhaps the answer to both these mysteries can be seen in MM’s postgame presser. In all honesty the level of frustration and anger she displayed towards her team was shocking.

I have noticed with some admiration that ND fans like Dillon, Orangutan and many others on McGraw’s Bench are demonstrating a commendable level of patience and understanding as this ND teams goes through a rough patch. I don’t understand why MM doesn’t demonstrate a similar level of patience with a team that clearly doesn’t have the horses to compete at a high level this year. If she runs off one or two key players, in addition to those who have already left, it will make the job that much harder next season.

 

[eebmg]

Objectively, I don't think MM was significantly harsher than most coaches on her players. The ND system like UConn requires more than physical skills and when some of the players don't get it, it can look really bad and she takes pride that ND should put out a good looking product. For me, the biggest issue with MM in contrast to Geno is that she really does not have a sense of humor, sarcasm or irony.