OT: - deGROM | Page 2 | The Boneyard

OT: deGROM

Deepster said:
Wins for a pitcher. RBI's for a hitter. They don't mean anything. They're dinosaurs.

If you're going to point to deGrom's wins as a measure of his performance over ANY other stat, you're a fool.
Expand ...
You're arguing with yourself, keep going...
 
8893 said:
Is he really up on Wednesday? I will get my ass in for that if so.
Expand ...
Yes, Mets sent their 5th started down because of off days. deGROM will start Wednesday.
 
superjohn said:
It wasn't meant to be a cute post. The guy's win totals are sad for a guy who has been the best pitcher in baseball. Two Cy Young's and he hasn't really been a household name like the other star players.

The Yankees suck but they'll still have a better record than the Mets.
Expand ...
1) His win totals don't mean a thing.
2) Mike Trout is a statistical unicorn and doesn't have any endorsements. Most households couldn't pick him out of a lineup.
3) I don't agree the Yankees are positioned better or will outperform the Mets over the next 5 years.
 
Deepster said:
1) His win totals don't mean a thing.
2) Mike Trout is a statistical unicorn and doesn't have any endorsements. Most households couldn't pick him out of a lineup.
3) I don't agree the Yankees are positioned better or will outperform the Mets over the next 5 years.
Expand ...
This is pretty simple, he's the best pitcher in baseball and doesn't get to win many games because his organization has failed him his whole career. I said nothing about win totals being a measure of Degrom's excellence or the excellence of any pitcher, any normal person could see I said the exact opposite.

Can't believe Navery gave your post a like, would expect better from him.
 
Deepster said:
1) His win totals don't mean a thing.
2) Mike Trout is a statistical unicorn and doesn't have any endorsements. Most households couldn't pick him out of a lineup.
3) I don't agree the Yankees are positioned better or will outperform the Mets over the next 5 years.
Expand ...
Mets bullpen and lack of hitting has screwed deGROM out of a lot of wins but the writers still gave him two well deserved Cy Young awards.
 
superjohn said:
This is pretty simple, he's the best pitcher in baseball and doesn't get to win many games because his organization has failed him his whole career. I said nothing about win totals being a measure of Degrom's excellence or the excellence of any pitcher, any normal person could see I said the exact opposite.

Can't believe Navery gave your post a like, would expect better from him.
Expand ...
Can you elaborate on how the "organization has failed him his whole career" with examples?
 
.-.
WeAreUCONN said:
Yes, Mets sent their 5th started down because of off days. deGROM will start Wednesday.
Expand ...
Looks like you can only buy four-seat pods? Is it possible to attend a game solo right now? I’ll round up a pod if I have to, but I’d rather be free to head in solo.
 
8893 said:
Looks like you can only buy four-seat pods? Is it possible to attend a game solo right now? I’ll round up a pod if I have to, but I’d rather be free to head in solo.
Expand ...
I have no idea. I didn’t even look into tickets this year because of the limited 20% capacity. I may try to go later in the summer.
 
Outside of Pedro over a 7 year span and Randy Johnson over his 4 straight Cy Young years ive never seen a pitcher look this unhittable. I think if he stays healthy he has at least 3 more years at this level and at least 5 on an ace level. The lack of innings on his arm and his effortless delivery will hopefully allow him to be an ace till hes 40.
 
superjohn said:
This is pretty simple, he's the best pitcher in baseball and doesn't get to win many games because his organization has failed him his whole career. I said nothing about win totals being a measure of Degrom's excellence or the excellence of any pitcher, any normal person could see I said the exact opposite.

Can't believe Navery gave your post a like, would expect better from him.
Expand ...
Now that you've clarified what you meant I see what you were going for. But I read your post the same exact way he did as trying to knock deGrom for not having enough wins which is a terrible stat to judge a pitcher's success
 
The most amazing thing about DeGrom is he is doing this at 32. Seaver was no longer a hard thrower at 32 and Gooden was for the most part washed up at 26.

Question for anybody who currently coaches baseball, what are pitchers doing now that allows them to throw so hard? I'm assuming it's not PED's so what is it? It seems everyone is throwing 95+ and it has ruined the game. They seriously need to move the mound back a few inches. It will eventually happen and i'm not sure what they are waiting for. Foul balls and strikeout's make for boring baseball.
 
Last edited:
navery12 said:
Now that you've clarified what you meant I see what you were going for. But I read your post the same exact way he did as trying to knock deGrom for not having enough wins which is a terrible stat to judge a pitcher's success
Expand ...
As I have posted in our Mets thread, nothing makes me hate my own team more than his starts. They came through tonight though.
 
.-.
Deepster said:
Tonight turned the corner. Mark my words.
Expand ...
Lindor needs to start earning his contract. He’s been awful so far. I wasn’t a fan of acquiring him or extending him. I hope Lindor proves me wrong.
 
I actually got to see deGrom at Citi in 2019. Unfortunately he gave up 2 runs in the first inning and got no run support so he took the loss but it was pretty awesome watching him in person.
 
navery12 said:
Now that you've clarified what you meant I see what you were going for. But I read your post the same exact way he did as trying to knock deGrom for not having enough wins which is a terrible stat to judge a pitcher's success
Expand ...
That's because Deepster and you chose to read it that way, I said he's been the best pitcher in baseball and has 2 Cy Young's. And said imagine if he was on a good team.

It certainly isn't his fault his win totals are shabby for such an incredibly dominant pitcher.
 
.-.
metsfan2323 said:
The most amazing thing about DeGrom is he is doing this at 32. Seaver was no longer a dominate pitcher at 32 and Gooden was for the most part washed up at 26.

Question for anybody who currently coaches baseball, what are pitchers doing now that allows them to throw so hard? I'm assuming it's not PED's so what is it? It seems everyone is throwing 95+ and it has ruined the game. They seriously need to move the mound back a few inches.
Expand ...
There's been a huge increase in the knowledge of mechanics of pitching and places like Driveline. So instead of viewing velocity as a fixed range, they're able to analyze every player individually and find all the areas for improved efficiency and how they can increase velocity.
 
WeAreUCONN said:
I’ve been a Mets fan for 35 years. The Mets have failed deGROM and all of their fans. Fortunately they have a new owner now and hopefully things wills be different.
Expand ...
Same. Been a fan since the middle of the 85` season and the Wilpons were the worst thing to happen to this organization. When you are a New York team and you spend a season where your best player is Chico Walker its time to acknowledge that your ownership is a joke.
 
superjohn said:
I find it excruciating to watch dominant pitchers have to be prefect all the time to maybe have a chance at a win.
Expand ...
I’m not sure exactly what the Mets record is over the last three years when deGROM pitches but I think they have a losing record. That is quite astonishing.
 
superjohn said:
You really need examples of why the Mets are a lousy organization? Aren't you a Mets fan?
Expand ...
You didn’t answer the question.

What moves have directly cost him status? How have they “failed him”? He’s still won cy young’s and is highly regarded so what would have put him in a better space historically? Being on the dodgers with one title?
 
.-.
TheChamps990411 said:
Same. Been a fan since the middle of the 85` season and the Wilpons were the worst thing to happen to this organization. When you are a New York team and you spend a season where your best player is Chico Walker its time to acknowledge that your ownership is a joke.
Expand ...
Yes or when the biggest off season acquisition was frank Francisco lol
 
superjohn said:
That's because Deepster and you chose to read it that way, I said he's been the best pitcher in baseball and has 2 Cy Young's. And said imagine if he was on a good team.

It certainly isn't his fault his win totals are shabby for such an incredibly dominant pitcher.
Expand ...
It's definitely frustrating that he doesn't get wins and the Mets have wasted his talent, but I just think we're at a point where it's not going to keep him from winning more Cy Youngs or hurt his HOF case so I'm kind of over it. Which might also just be because they're in a great spot to compete for the next few years
 
Deepster said:
You didn’t answer the question.

What moves have directly cost him status? How have they “failed him”? He’s still won cy young’s and is highly regarded so what would have put him in a better space historically? Being on the dodgers with one title?
Expand ...
They have failed him by not putting a team around him capable of getting him what he wants most, a chip. Individual accolades are great but he wants to win.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
They have failed him by not putting a team around him capable of getting him what he wants most, a chip. Individual accolades are great but he wants to win.
Expand ...
This year he finally came out and said that he wants to be in the Hall of Fame. He’s never stated that before. He’s kind of realizing how good he actually is.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
Its absolutely brutal. deGrom should have at least 30 more wins in his career.
Expand ...
I'm a Yankees fan but I'm the furthest thing from a Mets hater, I root for the Mets over everyone outside of the Yankees, Cubs, and White Sox and the Bobby V managed Mets teams for a couple of seasons were some of my favorite baseball teams ever. I just hate seeing dominant pitcher's get let down by their team.
 
.-.
You must log in or register to reply here.

Forum statistics

Threads
168,640
Messages
4,587,383
Members
10,497
Latest member
Orlando Fos


Top Bottom