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Death of Three Sport Athlete

For a second I was like uhhhh I think Jim Thorpe died like a long time ago.
 
FWIW--I encourage my hs basketball players (including my spring aau team kids) to do track. Specifically 100, 200, and the jumping events.

I usually steer them from soccer and XC so we can focus on fall league.
 
As any parent knows who has a kid in these clubs, there are no good solutions if your kid wants to compete at those levels, so people can talk until they are blue in the face but... the parents don't like it, the girls don't necessarily like it, we all just choose to live with it.

Options are limited.

Outside of starting an independent team (like the poster in this thread) that is more balanced and also highly competitive, we're stuck. People in my area try to start clubs like that, but they get frozen out by the local soccer leagues. Such leagues insist that your club field at least 5 teams before you can join their local premier leagues. And if you do that, then at that point you're a club, not a team.

I do have the option of her joining a less pressure premier club affiliated with Bayern Munich, but they sometimes lose to travel teams, and even worse, they go to tournaments and compete in long distance leagues where they get killed. No thanks.
 
Since you don't have kids and really have no frame of reference or hint of experience, you should be aware that unless you want to start playing with endocrinologists, doctors are not able to sell you growth packs to raise or lower your child's height. It's not an instance where "gullible" comes into play - this is not a used car lot.

They don't actually care how tall your kid will be other than making sure the kid isn't experiencing some sort of issue. And they don't wing it by eyeballing mom and dad.

What they do is take periodic x-rays of the kid's hand and then look at the growth plates. With that, they get the bone age and they're able to tell roughly how much growing a kid has left in them. By doing that, our doctor was able to tell us that our daughter would land at about 5'2". She's now 15, done growing and she is...5'2".

Spoilers - she's shorter than her mom and a foot shorter than her dad.
Lol. I have no frame of reference!!! I promise you I know way more about this than you. My dad read film for 40 years. He transmitted from the house.

You completely missed my point again. Doctors selling growth packs, used cars??? WTF are you talking about?
 
Since you don't have kids and really have no frame of reference or hint of experience, you should be aware that unless you want to start playing with endocrinologists, doctors are not able to sell you growth packs to raise or lower your child's height. It's not an instance where "gullible" comes into play - this is not a used car lot.

They don't actually care how tall your kid will be other than making sure the kid isn't experiencing some sort of issue. And they don't wing it by eyeballing mom and dad.

What they do is take periodic x-rays of the kid's hand and then look at the growth plates. With that, they get the bone age and they're able to tell roughly how much growing a kid has left in them. By doing that, our doctor was able to tell us that our daughter would land at about 5'2". She's now 15, done growing and she is...5'2".

Spoilers - she's shorter than her mom and a foot shorter than her dad.
Sorry if I was a bit flip with you yesterday but I've been around it for much of my life.

This was talked about in the context of athletes and parents wanting to know the future height of their kid for sports reasons. For annoying sports parents most pediatricians will follow the growth charts and pay you a lot of lip service but basically they give an educated guess based off of the height and background of your parents.


Does your kid have hormone imbalances or genetic conditions? Docs on the whole order way too much imaging, it's a combo of them being alarmists and unfortunately wanting to make big $$, it's only gotten worse. It's a problem with pediatric endocrinologists and across all of healthcare. It usually isn't needed and you should only be exposing your kid to radiation if absolutely necessary. Having recurring bone scans on your kid is a bit worrisome. Unless there were serious problems with her I think your doctor did you guys a disservice.

If she dealt with serious health problems I hope she is doing well today. 5'2 really stinks for guys but 5'2 for women is just fine.
 
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Since you don't have kids and really have no frame of reference or hint of experience, you should be aware that unless you want to start playing with endocrinologists, doctors are not able to sell you growth packs to raise or lower your child's height. It's not an instance where "gullible" comes into play - this is not a used car lot.

They don't actually care how tall your kid will be other than making sure the kid isn't experiencing some sort of issue. And they don't wing it by eyeballing mom and dad.

What they do is take periodic x-rays of the kid's hand and then look at the growth plates. With that, they get the bone age and they're able to tell roughly how much growing a kid has left in them. By doing that, our doctor was able to tell us that our daughter would land at about 5'2". She's now 15, done growing and she is...5'2".

Spoilers - she's shorter than her mom and a foot shorter than her dad.
Swimming is a tough sport for a kid that is 5'2". Did she ever try gymnastics?
 
I would like to add a few comments to this discussion based on my own experience with my youngest son. I will start out by saying something that I KNOW will get a really negative response. If your kid is an exceptional student, but not an exceptional athlete, consider guiding them away from sports entirely. By exceptional student, I mean a kid that will be well within the top half of applicants that get accepted to Ivy and Ivy-level schools. By exceptional athlete I mean a kid that can get recruited to play their top sport at an Ivy or a top academic D3 school like Chicago or Williams.

Here is why. This push to get kids to "specialize" does not apply only to sports. There is a term in current day college admissions called "pointed applicants". It means an applicant that was exceptional and totally "passionate" about something. A recruited athlete is a pointed applicant. A kid that is on the national Science Olympiad or Math Olympiad team is pointed. A nationally ranked ballroom dancer is pointed. You get the point. The top schools are starting to admit that they no longer want well rounded applicants. A kid that is a three sport athlete and is good at all of them but not able to be recruited for any of them is not interesting to colleges. They already have their athletes in the form of their recruited athletes. The schools say that they want well rounded classes, not well rounded applicants. So if your "passion" was sports but you aren't a recruited athlete, you wasted your time from the standpoint of getting into a top school. If your kid wants to play three sports but could be recruited if they "specialized", well, you have a decision to make. Let the kid do what he/she wants or encourage the kid to do what they need to do to get their foot in the door of an elite college. If your kid has no chance at being at least a recruited D3 athlete, but wants to play sports, you have a decision to make. Tell them to dump sports and do something that will get them into a top school or let them do what they want.

This goes for everything a kid does in high school. Gone are the days when schools liked well rounded kids. Now they want well rounded classes full of kids that "specialized" or "focused" in one thing each. Really, what they want is a bunch of kids whose big accomplishments are impressive enough to put into their incoming class profile. Admissions offices are full of virtue signaling narcissists now. The better the school, the worse it is. There are thousands of kids who are the best player on their high school basketball or soccer or baseball or football teams. There are thousands of kids that are team captains. There are thousands of kids that are valedictorians. There are thousands of kids that score at or above a 1550 on their SAT. There are thousands of kids that are student council or class presidents. There are thousands of kids that volunteer hundreds of hours in their communities. Back in the day, a kid that was all of those things was the golden unicorn of applicants. Not many kids are ALL of those things. But, now, they are not interesting. Now you need to have played your instrument at Carnegie Hall or you need to have done published cancer research or you need to have started a million dollar business and so on. If you have done something they can brag about, you can have weaknesses in other areas. Recruited athletes and kids with other "hooks" I haven't even touched on yet can have major weaknesses in other areas.

Advising your children is way more complex than I ever anticipated. The advice you give depends on where they fall academically. It depends on where they fall athletically. It depends on where they fall artistically. It depends on whether or not they can be nationally ranked at SOMETHING. It depends on their level of maturity and self discipline. It depends on their competitiveness. It depends on your family finances. It depends on your family's logistical hurdles. And, oh yeah, it depends on what will make them happy. That last one was what drove a lot of our advice to our kids. Frankly, it is becoming rare and I am not sure it was the right thing to do.
The better colleges don’t want kids with nothing to show than good grades. My oldest son applied to MIT. He had a 4.333 GPA, multiple AP classes, and had been captain of his archery and robotics teams. MIT liked the outside activities but was disappointed he didn’t have much to show for community service. The admissions officer said kids burn out if all they have is academics - they wanted kids who played sports/had activities and were involved in their community. The exact quote was, “We know you’re smart, but how will you add to our community?”.

If the kids want to do sports, let them. Or marching band or drama or whatever, even if they stink at it. They get so much more by being with other people as part of a group working to achieve a common goal than they ever would by getting straight As in school
 
If she dealt with serious health problems I hope she is doing well today. 5'2 really stinks for guys but 5'2 for women is just fine.

I promise that i never take any offense - no apologies are ever necessary.

The kid is perfectly healthy....she’s just not very tall. (Only reason they bothered to try to figure out how tall she would be...my wife realized when the kid was seven or eight that we never had to buy her bigger shoes. I mean for years she wore the same size sneakers. Turns out, she was just destined to be small.)

Swimming is a tough sport for a kid that is 5'2". Did she ever try gymnastics?

She’s a good gymnast, but loves the pool. It’s not ideal, but she compensates for it. Very strong, very fast hands and her flip turns are textbook - she’s an all-conference swimmer as a freshman and a state-cut candidate in the free and backstroke events.

Her stature really starts to become an issue in the longer races and also in the breastroke. She just doesn’t push enough water in the breastroke events.
 
What I always take out of these threads... my kids are shockingly average athletically and academically and it makes my life easier!
 
I promise that i never take any offense - no apologies are ever necessary.

The kid is perfectly healthy....she’s just not very tall. (Only reason they bothered to try to figure out how tall she would be...my wife realized when the kid was seven or eight that we never had to buy her bigger shoes. I mean for years she wore the same size sneakers. Turns out, she was just destined to be small.)



She’s a good gymnast, but loves the pool. It’s not ideal, but she compensates for it. Very strong, very fast hands and her flip turns are textbook - she’s an all-conference swimmer as a freshman and a state-cut candidate in the free and backstroke events.

Her stature really starts to become an issue in the longer races and also in the breastroke. She just doesn’t push enough water in the breastroke events.
Good to hear, she sounds like an athlete.
 
What I always take out of these threads... my kids are shockingly average athletically and academically and it makes my life easier!
I'm not a parent but it does seem like you are one of the lucky ones. Growing up seems kind of nightmarish these days, everything shouldn't be so difficult and competitive.
 
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I'm not a parent but it does seem like you are one of the lucky ones. Growing up seems kind of nightmarish these days, everything shouldn't be so difficult and competitive.
It really is a nightmare and it is getting worse by the year. Kids can't be kids and still compete at a high level. It doesn't matter if it is sports, academics, the arts or whatever. There are crazy parents in the stands, crazy parents at concerts and recitals and crazy parents at parent teacher conferences. We have learned a lot from our experiences with our kids and I have not even begun to share some of the crazy crap we have uncovered.
 
The better colleges don’t want kids with nothing to show than good grades. My oldest son applied to MIT. He had a 4.333 GPA, multiple AP classes, and had been captain of his archery and robotics teams. MIT liked the outside activities but was disappointed he didn’t have much to show for community service. The admissions officer said kids burn out if all they have is academics - they wanted kids who played sports/had activities and were involved in their community. The exact quote was, “We know you’re smart, but how will you add to our community?”.

If the kids want to do sports, let them. Or marching band or drama or whatever, even if they stink at it. They get so much more by being with other people as part of a group working to achieve a common goal than they ever would by getting straight As in school
The admissions officers were not totally honest with you. Trust me, a lack of community service did not kill your son's chances. He probably was an unhooked applicant. That means he needed some exceptional accomplishment in his application to have a chance. They don't care about what these kids add to their community. They care about what the kids add to their incoming class profile. If your kid won the national championship in archery, he probably would have gotten in.

By the way, there is a lot of misleading information coming out of admissions offices. If they didn't do that, every tiger parent out there, and there are tens of thousands of them, would be forcing their kids to contrive the perfect application. They are already getting 20X as many applications as they can accept. Their job is already incredibly difficult. If they got 20,000 identical perfect applications, what the hell would they do?
 
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What I always take out of these threads... my kids are shockingly average athletically and academically and it makes my life easier!
It really is a nightmare and it is getting worse by the year. Kids can't be kids and still compete at a high level. It doesn't matter if it is sports, academics, the arts or whatever. There are crazy parents in the stands, crazy parents at concerts and recitals and crazy parents at parent teacher conferences. We have learned a lot from our experiences with our kids and I have not even begun to share some of the crazy crap we have uncovered.

Honestly your kids (and more importantly the parents) knowing an athletic scholarship isn’t an option so early is a huge advantage.

And they can actually enjoy being a kid and spending time on the things they like.

Not saying they still shouldn’t play sports (again, plenty of life benefit, plus it keeps them active and healthy), but they don’t have to do all the crazy Bs other parents do.

And, it really sucks to go all In on sports and miss.
 
When Buck Showalter was managing he said he preferred players who played multiple sports rather than baseball year round. Felt those players were more well rounded and less likely to be injured (especially pitchers) because of less wear and tear.
 
There have been some great athletes who excelled in many sports. Gene Conley for one who played MLB and NBA. I wasn't a big Dave Winfield fan when the Yankees had him but he was quite an athlete. Just wished someone that intelligent would have learned to hit to all fields. He kept trying to pull those low and outside pitches. Here is a little article on him as a college athlete.

Drafted by four teams in three sports
WALT DROPO
 
When Buck Showalter was managing he said he preferred players who played multiple sports rather than baseball year round. Felt those players were more well rounded and less likely to be injured (especially pitchers) because of less wear and tear.

 
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Honestly your kids (and more importantly the parents) knowing an athletic scholarship isn’t an option so early is a huge advantage.

And they can actually enjoy being a kid and spending time on the things they like.

Not saying they still shouldn’t play sports (again, plenty of life benefit, plus it keeps them active and healthy), but they don’t have to do all the crazy Bs other parents do.

And, it really sucks to go all In on sports and miss.
There is another way to go all in and miss. Even if a kid is not a D1 scholarship level athlete, they can still use sports to get recruited to an Ivy or an academically strong D3 school (Chicago, Williams, Amherst, etc.). Actually, the decision for these kids is more complicated. If you have a kid that will likely go to a solid state or private school then, even if they aren't a scholarship level athlete, it is probably still good for them to play sports. As you say, the pressure is off and it is nice to just do something for fun (*gasp*). But if you have a kid that is an exceptional student, even if they aren't a scholarship level athlete, they might still be good enough to get recruited to a top academic D3 school and use that as their "hook" to get in. But, if they miss, as you say, then they are probably screwed because they probably dedicated too much time to sports and couldn't spend enough time accomplishing something deemed worthy by the admin folks in some non-sports venue. There are no obvious answers in this parenting gig.
 
There is another way to go all in and miss. Even if a kid is not a D1 scholarship level athlete, they can still use sports to get recruited to an Ivy or an academically strong D3 school (Chicago, Williams, Amherst, etc.). Actually, the decision for these kids is more complicated. If you have a kid that will likely go to a solid state or private school then, even if they aren't a scholarship level athlete, it is probably still good for them to play sports. As you say, the pressure is off and it is nice to just do something for fun (*gasp*). But if you have a kid that is an exceptional student, even if they aren't a scholarship level athlete, they might still be good enough to get recruited to a top academic D3 school and use that as their "hook" to get in. But, if they miss, as you say, then they are probably screwed because they probably dedicated too much time to sports and couldn't spend enough time accomplishing something deemed worthy by the admin folks in some non-sports venue. There are no obvious answers in this parenting gig.

This is very true, my cousin played football at one of HYP with an 1800/2400 on the SAT.
 
I coached 3 sports in the 80's and I believe it is the soccer peoople who put the pressure on kids to specialize. A lot of the soccer coaches were from European countries and soccer was the only sport they played. The advent of travel teams forced the kids to make a decision.
 

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