COVID Vaccine Thread, the Sequel

[Rocktheworld]

They shouldn't force anyone who is young to get it with the stats that the CDC has put out for those under 30 and especially under 18

It is all a personal decision and still not FDA approved.

Leave it to the village idiot

 

[jimva]

Wearing a shirt or shoes is the same as proving you injected yourself with a drug? What if they required mandatory heroin injections? By the way you can yell fire in a movie theater.

I got the vaccine because I consider myself at risk, and weighing the risks thought it was the best option. If I was fit and 22 I'd probably decide otherwise. It's nobody else's business what you choose. The Vaccine primarily protects you not others. We know that now.

Mandatory heroin injections, really? You lost all credibility there.

You don't want to get vaccinated, your choice. I support your decision and dont care what the reason is. But with all choices/actions there are consiquences. And if people, business, organizations dont want you around them, or want you to wear a mask if you are, you should also respect that.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

You’re in luck… there is a restaurant in LA that caters to unvaccinated… maybe that will catch on.

Aside from one Los Angeles restaurant potentially catering to SARS-2 vaccine opponents, more than a few restaurant owners in the Bayou and across the Pelican State appear to cater to anti-vaxxers. When the FDA fully approves Pfizer's vaccine within a few weeks, it will undermine one excuse.

 

[Rocktheworld]

yikes what a struggle with logic you’re having here

Wearing a shirt or shoes is the same as proving you injected yourself with a drug? What if they required mandatory heroin injections? By the way you can yell fire in a movie theater.

 

[John]

If you can’t enjoy the ordinary benefits and entitlements of life, you are being forced. Perhaps coerced is the better word. I wouldn’t patronize any business with such a requirement. Not just now. Not ever again.

it's a private business, they can do as they like.

 

[huskymedic]

Aside from some legitimate pre-existing medical considerations, or perhaps religious considerations, not much apparent wriggle room for most UConn students.

Just as a point of reference - there appears to be sizable wiggle…




-> As of July 23, Eleanor Daugherty, UConn’s dean of students and vice president of student affairs, had granted 504 of the 771 requests for non-medical exemptions. The others remained pending. Meanwhile, 55 students had requested medical exemptions. <-

 

[HuskyHawk]

yikes what a struggle with logic you’re having here

I was highlining the ridiculous leap of logic that mandating a vaccine to enter a public accommodation was comparable to requiring shoes and a shirt. That's an absurd comparison.

it's a private business, they can do as they like.

Arguably yes, depending on Title II of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and state public accommodation laws. A public accommodation business can't just do whatever it wants. That said, all I said was fine, they'd lose my business forever.

 

[phillionaire]

People around the world are dying to get access to these vaccines and in America they're expiring because people don't understand science and would rather listen to some yahoo on facebook.

 

[JohnFSilver]

And the reason it is not FDA approved is they need more longitudinal studies out there. That is a red-herring anti-vax sentiment. So if FDA approves it, the anti-vaxxers will say they were told to do it and won't believe the approval.

Emergency Approval is needed for a dire situation.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

I was highlining the ridiculous leap of logic that mandating a vaccine to enter a public accommodation was comparable to requiring shoes and a shirt. That's an absurd comparison.


Arguably yes, depending on Title II of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and state public accommodation laws. A public accommodation business can't just do whatever it wants. That said, all I said was fine, they'd lose my business forever.

Pretty sure lack of vaccination is not a protected class - nor will it be.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

That said, all I said was fine, they'd lose my business forever.

Choosing to permanently boycott a business that is doing what it thinks is best for the owners, employees and patrons during this unprecedented time seems unnecessarily harsh. I don't believe you are, but to an outsider you appear to be taking it personally.

The Vaccine primarily protects you not others. We know that now.

From the CDC. Benefits of Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC
COVID-19 vaccines are effective
COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
COVID-19 vaccines also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

I agree that it primarily protects the individual, but per the CDC it does help in preventing the spread. If folks choose not to get it to protect themselves and others, which is their choice, then they must know that there are repercussions to their inaction. The unfortunate part that I'm seeing is when mandates were lifted and the unvaccinated were asked to still wear their masks, they mostly did not listen. It's a selfish move and I think is the primary reason for the upticks everywhere. I'm fully vaccinated, but given the upticks and my distrust of the unvaccinated to wear their masks, I've taken to wearing my mask again when I'm indoors at places like Stop & Shop. If it's a quick in and out I don't wear it (post office, gast station, etc.).

 

[HuskyHawk]

Pretty sure lack of vaccination is not a protected class - nor will it be.

Religion is, for those who aren't vaxxed for that reason. Also, some cannot get the vaccine due to age or medical risks. I think federal law may have something to say about making reasonable accommodations for them. Then there are disparate impact concerns as well. In any event, it's a complicated issue and position for a business to take.

Separate question. Every other western country that has vaccine requirements always combines "vaccinated or had Covid previously" to include natural immunity. The USA is alone in not doing that. Natural immunity is increasingly looking superior in studies, especially with the variants.

 

[August_West]

If you can’t enjoy the ordinary benefits and entitlements of life, you are being forced. Perhaps coerced is the better word. I wouldn’t patronize any business with such a requirement. Not just now. Not ever again.

Good. more room for the smart people.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Choosing to permanently boycott a business that is doing what it thinks is best for the owners, employees and patrons during this unprecedented time seems unnecessarily harsh. I don't believe you are, but to an outsider you appear to be taking it personally.


From the CDC. Benefits of Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC
COVID-19 vaccines are effective
COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
COVID-19 vaccines also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

I agree that it primarily protects the individual, but per the CDC it does help in preventing the spread. If folks choose not to get it to protect themselves and others, which is their choice, then they must know that there are repercussions to their inaction. The unfortunate part that I'm seeing is when mandates were lifted and the unvaccinated were asked to still wear their masks, they mostly did not listen. It's a selfish move and I think is the primary reason for the upticks everywhere. I'm fully vaccinated, but given the upticks and my distrust of the unvaccinated to wear their masks, I've taken to wearing my mask again when I'm indoors at places like Stop & Shop. If it's a quick in and out I don't wear it (post office, gast station, etc.).

I wouldn't do it over mask mandates (although I might avoid it while such mandate was in place). I would over a vaccine mandate (even though I am fully vaccinated). People are treating the unvaccinated like lepers, and studies show they aren't who people think they are. It's a very diverse group with different reasons, including unavailability or other medical complications that increase risk. Others have natural immunity, so no reason to get the vaccine. Who Are the Unvaccinated in America? There’s No One Answer. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Spread isn't up because the unvaccinated aren't wearing masks. It's because of Delta and waning effectiveness of the vaccines in reducing contraction and spread (while effectively reducing serious illness). The data from Israel and the UK shows that.

I encourage people to get the vaccine. I'm not anti-vaccine. But I think it's a personal choice we shouldn't be substituting our views for others. It's possible to make an informed, intelligent decision not to get the vaccine.

 

[jimva]

I wouldn't do it over mask mandates (although I might avoid it while such mandate was in place). I would over a vaccine mandate (even though I am fully vaccinated). People are treating the unvaccinated like lepers, and studies show they aren't who people think they are. It's a very diverse group with different reasons, including unavailability or other medical complications that increase risk. Others have natural immunity, so no reason to get the vaccine. Who Are the Unvaccinated in America? There’s No One Answer. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Spread isn't up because the unvaccinated aren't wearing masks. It's because of Delta and waning effectiveness of the vaccines in reducing contraction and spread (while effectively reducing serious illness). The data from Israel and the UK shows that.

I encourage people to get the vaccine. I'm not anti-vaccine. But I think it's a personal choice we shouldn't be substituting our views for others. It's possible to make an informed, intelligent decision not to get the vaccine.

It’s also an informed intelligent decision to say I don’t want unvaccinated people in my establishment. Do you agree?

 

[Madmannsucks]

So there is a restaurant in Rifle Co-called Shooter's Grill-owned by Lauren Bobert-(nuff said)where they encourage you to wear guns. She is a big anti vaxer. Real popular with that crowd.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I was highlining the ridiculous leap of logic that mandating a vaccine to enter a public accommodation was comparable to requiring shoes and a shirt. That's an absurd comparison.

And a gross misinterpretation on your part. Your analogy is a massive fail.

 

[PAHusky]

I wouldn't do it over mask mandates (although I might avoid it while such mandate was in place). I would over a vaccine mandate (even though I am fully vaccinated). People are treating the unvaccinated like lepers, and studies show they aren't who people think they are. It's a very diverse group with different reasons, including unavailability or other medical complications that increase risk. Others have natural immunity, so no reason to get the vaccine. Who Are the Unvaccinated in America? There’s No One Answer. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Spread isn't up because the unvaccinated aren't wearing masks. It's because of Delta and waning effectiveness of the vaccines in reducing contraction and spread (while effectively reducing serious illness). The data from Israel and the UK shows that.

I encourage people to get the vaccine. I'm not anti-vaccine. But I think it's a personal choice we shouldn't be substituting our views for others. It's possible to make an informed, intelligent decision not to get the vaccine.

I'm struggling to find, outside of a medical condition, what evidence or reasoning could possibly lead to an "informed, intelligent decision not to get the vaccine". Maybe a longstanding, genuinely held religious belief? Can you think of anything else?

 

[Chin Diesel]

Choosing to permanently boycott a business that is doing what it thinks is best for the owners, employees and patrons during this unprecedented time seems unnecessarily harsh. I don't believe you are, but to an outsider you appear to be taking it personally.


From the CDC. Benefits of Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC
COVID-19 vaccines are effective
COVID 19-vaccines are effective. They can keep you from getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.
COVID-19 vaccines also help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.
Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

I agree that it primarily protects the individual, but per the CDC it does help in preventing the spread. If folks choose not to get it to protect themselves and others, which is their choice, then they must know that there are repercussions to their inaction. The unfortunate part that I'm seeing is when mandates were lifted and the unvaccinated were asked to still wear their masks, they mostly did not listen. It's a selfish move and I think is the primary reason for the upticks everywhere. I'm fully vaccinated, but given the upticks and my distrust of the unvaccinated to wear their masks, I've taken to wearing my mask again when I'm indoors at places like Stop & Shop. If it's a quick in and out I don't wear it (post office, gast station, etc.).

While not scared or worried, the big dilemma with Delta is fully vaccinated people are now believed to be able to carry and spread the 'rona. That's a big game changer.

Good news is fully vax'd people who catch Delta still tend to avoid hospitalization and death. They may be symptomatic and stuff but they can recover at home.

I am at the point where every adult has been able to get a shot and those without the shot are suffering the worst. Live and let die.

Go ahead and live life. If you are vaxx'd, regardless of who you hangout with, you may get 'rona. But you will recover quick enough.

Those who are immunocompromised still have to be more cautious, but hat was true before corona and will be afterwards too.

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Just as a point of reference - there appears to be sizable wiggle… -> As of July 23, Eleanor Daugherty, UConn’s dean of students and vice president of student affairs, had granted 504 of the 771 requests for non-medical exemptions. The others remained pending. Meanwhile, 55 students had requested medical exemptions. <-

Different interpretation. Quantitively, 97% of UConn students are vaccinated (26K+ of 27K total student population). More surprising IMHO, the very low # of medical exemptions (55) vs markedly higher # of reported non-medical exemptions (771). Minimal wiggle room IMHO, yet some of the latter may be religious objections, e.g., Christian Science. Others, possibly general anti-vaxxers for whatever reasons (not just SARS-2). Wonder what some of the rejected 267 purported non-medical exemption requesters concocted?

 

[mussels]

It's amazing we were able to get rid of polio. Different times I guess.

 

[Greedo]

I'm struggling to find, outside of a medical condition, what evidence or reasoning could possibly lead to an "informed, intelligent decision not to get the vaccine". Maybe a longstanding, genuinely held religious belief? Can you think of anything else?

I keep politely asking people both here and across the internet to provide data that shows the vaccines are dangerous (not just the extraordinarily rare outlier). I am always ignored when I ask. Seemingly there is no reason to not get the vaccine, and the “vaccines are dangerous” crowd is just making it up.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

@Chin Diesel A fully vaccinated friend of my wife's recently got the 'vid and lost her sense of taste. In the grand scheme of things no big deal, but I'd rather not deal with Covid even in a mild form as the long term impacts just aren't known. I do agree with the live and let die, but given how easily it transmits, their "rights and freedoms" intersect in public with my desire to never know what Covid feels like. Thankfully the group I hang out with/golf buddies all had the sense to get the vax.
It's Darwin's (or more correctly Herbert Spencer's) Survival of the Fittest that we're seeing in action. My job is to avoid the Covidiots of the world.

 

[NJHusky]

I am at the point where every adult has been able to get a shot and those without the shot are suffering the worst. Live and let die.

Exactly…going back to lockdown to protect the unvaxxed from themselves isn’t happening

I finally found something I agree with NYCs mayor. U want to go to a bar or movie..get the vaccine.

 

[Madmannsucks]

Here is a fact-to provide a real perspective-96 % of physicians are vaccinated-that should tell us plenty-clearly they have more knowledge about medicine and vaccines than we do-let that sink in.

 

[Excalibur]

I consider walking everywhere barefoot a benefit. Guess I'm screwed.

What nonsense.

Gas station bathrooms?

 

[Jay-Bone]

I am at the point where every adult has been able to get a shot and those without the shot are suffering the worst. Live and let die.

I really wish I could share this viewpoint. Natural selection at is finest. However, there a re a few major holes. Kids can't get vaccinated yet. Anti-vaxxers won't mask either. If we don't get this pandemic under control as a herd, a more threatening variant will emerge.

 

[HuskyHawk]

It's amazing we were able to get rid of polio. Different times I guess.

It's amazing that people think this vaccine is like the Polio vaccine or that this virus is like the polio virus (or measles or smallpox). I encourage people to get vaccinated. I did. My family did. But people misunderstand what that means.

 

[Hoophound]

I am seeing a scary display of the power of this virus right next door. My neighbors are in their mid thirties. He is a financial planner, she is an engineer. They are smart, pleasant people. She got covid 3 months ago and is now in a wheel chair with issues breathing and chronic pain. He avoided infection when she had it by having her quarantine to one side of the house. She stayed in the master suite alone for over a week.

He went on a business trip to meet an out of town client about two weeks ago. He got sick and tested positive so he stayed in a hotel. He got too sick to cope and went to the ER. He is now in intensive care on a ventilator 2000 miles away. They have four little kids and they have a visiting nurse at their house all day. Again, they are in their 30's and very active.

 

[Jay-Bone]

They have four little kids and they have a visiting nurse at their house all day.

Its sad that their poor decisions may significantly affect their innocent children. I just don't get it.