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The rational discussion here over the last day or so is encouraging.
 
Chin Diesel said:
So what part of the creation of COVID or any coronavirus determines the size
- droplet vs vapor??

Just curious as to why they are called corona viruses because the commonality of the crowns or spikes yet they are different sized.
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I'm not sure the size of the virus is critical in terms of spread via large or small droplets. Perhaps it is. If you read the Nature article I posted, it makes clear that they know (and have largely been quite about it) that some influenza strains are also "airborne" (aerosol spread), although that is not how we think of them. I always understood what was noteworthy is that they mainly affect animals, with only 7 (now 8?) infecting humans. Coronaviruses in animals and humans | The BMJ For geek level way beyond me Coronaviruses: An Overview of Their Replication and Pathogenesis (nih.gov)
 
husky429 said:
There's an anti-mask protest outside my school today. No one is working, even the admin. Literally the only people there are the constructionn workers renovating a wing. Imagine going through life this stupid.

Also district policy (I think state too) is now that you go 10 days without pay if you have to quarantine for the unvaxxed. 1 guy quit on principle already.

Bye Felicia!
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Oy vey.

The pendulum of returning back to school with covid is back to me being down about the prospects of how might the virus affect our school year.

No proof of this, but apparently five members of our staff (about 8%) haven’t gotten vaccinated and have all been encouraged personally by our head of school to do so.

The guy I mentioned earlier in the thread cited religious/medical reasons for not getting it, which makes me think nothing else than calling BS on his carpet-bombing technique.
 
Hey Adrien! said:
Oy vey.

The pendulum of returning back to school with covid is back to me being down about the prospects of how might the virus affect our school year.

No proof of this, but apparently five members of our staff (about 8%) haven’t gotten vaccinated and have all been encouraged personally by our head of school to do so.

The guy I mentioned earlier in the thread cited religious/medical reasons for not getting it, which makes me think nothing else than calling BS on his carpet-bombing technique.
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This has to be a huge incentive to vax for reluctant teachers. I missed 30 work days with quarantine last year and just taught from home. This year if that happened I'd be out 3 paychecks throughout the year.

I'd think your school being private could be as strict as they want with that stuff too
 
husky429 said:
There's an anti-mask protest outside my school today. No one is working, even the admin. Literally the only people there are the constructionn workers renovating a wing. Imagine going through life this stupid.

Also district policy (I think state too) is now that you go 10 days without pay if you have to quarantine for the unvaxxed. 1 guy quit on principle already.

Bye Felicia!
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This is in CT? Wow. I’m at a big district in NY. We’re still waiting to hear about expectations for the upcoming year in terms of teaching to students that are quarantined.

Not sure about any policies similar to the one you mentioned. The union here is very powerful, and I’m not sure which way they’d sway if the district imposed such a policy.
 
husky429 said:
There's an anti-mask protest outside my school today. No one is working, even the admin. Literally the only people there are the constructionn workers renovating a wing. Imagine going through life this stupid.

Also district policy (I think state too) is now that you go 10 days without pay if you have to quarantine for the unvaxxed. 1 guy quit on principle already.

Bye Felicia!
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I don't teach in CT anymore, but I'm sure teachers (some) are throwing a fit over this. Such an absurd hill to die on, but there will be many graves next to his I'm sure. Haven't heard of this being a thing in MA yet, but it's only a matter of time.
 
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Jaker said:
Just curious. teachers union will allow their teachers to sit at home unpaid??? Seems doubtful.
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Good question.

My sister works in a public school system in CT and was able to teach from home all last year due to having iritis, which, to me, is a dubious excuse.

Her district will not allow her to teach from home this year, which she is luke-warm, at best, about those prospects. Personally, I'm not sympathetic to her qualms.
 
CL82 said:
Well thank you so much for taking time out from that and posting on the Boneyard.
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I heard of a person who knew a guy who broke his footHe was moving cinder blocks and dropped one at the time but he had just gotten his vaccine a few days before so it could have been the cause. That or the 3 beers he had for lunch. Then another guy broke his a few days after that. Almost the exact same way, but with rocks, not blocks. Again right after getting vaccinated. You be the judge.
 
Jaker said:
Just curious. teachers union will allow their teachers to sit at home unpaid??? Seems doubtful.
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PSEA, the PA state union wants all teachers vaccinated and is on board with mandates for teachers. They may be ok with having unvaccinated teachers go unpaid because it’s what’s in the best interest for the health and safety of teachers as a whole. If an unvaccinated teacher infects a bunch of the staff, that’s a bigger problem for the union than one holdout complaining about losing pay because they’re not vaccinated.
 
Kenny11 said:
Should fully vaccinated people with no symptoms be tested at all? Seems like if that continues, the quarantines, the cancelations, etc will never end.
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Im fully fascinated as of Easter Sunday. Got my antibody results yesterday. NONE. NOT A TRACE.

Likely getting Moderna shot this week.
 
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Jaker said:
Just curious. teachers union will allow their teachers to sit at home unpaid??? Seems doubtful.
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Teachers unions locally, state, and nationally are almost all on board with vaccine mandates, even for kids older than 12.

Legally they'd have pretty little ground to stand on anyways.
 
temery said:
Im fully fascinated as of Easter Sunday. Got my antibody results yesterday. NONE. NOT A TRACE.

Likely getting Moderna shot this week.
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Wow, that was fast. You should still have T-cell memory though. I’m about four months out from my second Moderna and am considering getting a booster in September. Will discuss with doctor first.
 
Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
PFE SARS-2 vaccine: current EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) to full clearance or even possible FDA approval next week.
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In Oregon the governor announced on Friday that all school and public health workers will be required to be fully vaccinated by Oct. 18 or six weeks after full FDA approval, whichever is later. Takes away the "I'm waiting for full approval" excuse.
 
Samoo said:
In Oregon the governor announced on Friday that all school and public health workers will be required to be fully vaccinated by Oct. 18 or six weeks after full FDA approval, whichever is later. Takes away the "I'm waiting for full approval" excuse.
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As much as I would like to agree that it takes away the approval excuse, I fear it simply changes it to “I am concerned that the approval was too fast and politically driven so I do not believe the proper reviews were done” excuse.
 
temery said:
Im fully fascinated as of Easter Sunday. Got my antibody results yesterday. NONE. NOT A TRACE.

Likely getting Moderna shot this week.
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What antibody test did you get? There are a number of different ones; some do not detect antibodies made as a result of the vaccines. I am guessing that you did get a test that should be able to detect vaccination-related immunity and your antibodies levels have waned (completely possible about 6 months post dose), but doesn’t hurt to double check
 
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Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Now the people who don’t want the vax are buying up all the horse dewormer they can get their hooves on. Can’t make this up.
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I know, right? They won't put the vaccine in their bodies but full speed ahead for a medication that is primarily for veterinary use, has been shown to be ineffective and has put people in the hospital. Way to to think it through.
 
temery said:
Im fully fascinated as of Easter Sunday. Got my antibody results yesterday. NONE. NOT A TRACE.
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Yeah, same thing happened to me last summer even though evidence suggested I've had covid in early March '20 just prior to lock down:
  • Went to an Iona home game three weeks before New Rochelle became one of the country's first hotspots.
  • Really bad cold the week before lockdown.
  • After cold about 2-3 weeks of sub-100% cardio stamina. I was able to do weights fine, but my normal 2-3 mile walk felt like a six mile hike.
  • Fever and bad side effects after first Moderna vaccine dose.\
Negative antibody test though.
 
8893 said:
Was it a mass service that did it, or just your own realization of the awesomeness of the miracle of rising from the dead?
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'Walgreens.
 
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navery12 said:
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In before everyone says "I told you so". I'm a bit surprised given the lack of long term data, but I think they faced a lot of pressure given the remaining hold-outs. I'd like to see them pull the immunity from liability now though.
 
HuskyHawk said:
In before everyone says "I told you so". I'm a bit surprised given the lack of long term data, but I think they faced a lot of pressure given the remaining hold-outs. I'd like to see them pull the immunity from liability now though.
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No non-live vaccine has ever been shown to have adverse effects that manifest >=1 year after administration (and honestly, you could even shorten that time window to 3-6 months post-administration). There have been no safety signals to suggest that the mRNA vaccines are any different.

The amount of data accumulated to assess safety and efficacy for the Pfizer COVID19 is basically unprecedented.

For pretty sound scientific, public health, and legal reasons. vaccine liability claims are handled through the national VICP program:

National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program | HRSA

www.hrsa.gov www.hrsa.gov
 
HuskyHawk said:
In before everyone says "I told you so". I'm a bit surprised given the lack of long term data, but I think they faced a lot of pressure given the remaining hold-outs. I'd like to see them pull the immunity from liability now though.
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Yup, "immunity from liability". For a few too many NON-immune deficient, individual-preferences supercede societal interests types, the latest cocked-up excuse. Inconveniently, a few too many will wait until they or their relatives experience more than minor symptoms, find themselves on ventilators, kick the bucket, or experience severe lingering long haulers symptoms. See: TX, AR, FL, GA, SC, TN, and pulling up the rear, AL and MS each with 35% vaccination rates.
 
HuskyHawk said:
In before everyone says "I told you so". I'm a bit surprised given the lack of long term data, but I think they faced a lot of pressure given the remaining hold-outs. I'd like to see them pull the immunity from liability now though.
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They've got pseudo-immunity anyway, as most vaccine injury claims go through the VICP (assuming it gets listed as a covered vaccine).
 
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