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Could this be Patrick Ewing’s last year?

Edward Sargent said:
It is an interesting statement. I'd almost want to say that they move Ewing into a President of Basketball Operations and Recruiting then go out and hire an Xs and Os coach. Patrick Ewing in your living room has to be a good recruiting tool.
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Does Ryan Mutombo's development figure into their decision? I liked the kid with the little I saw of him - a little Pork Chop freshman year.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Not that it means all that much but St John's and DePaul are absolutely commuter schools.
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At St. John's that's a big plus for the students who come from far away:
"Students came from 46 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, and 119 countries."
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
They absolutely are. I think the weird part about Freescooter's anti-Big East animus is that the claim that "most" of the Big East is comprised of commuter schools is just factually incorrect. It would be more accurate to say that "most" of the Big East schools are "not" commuter schools. Which is a big difference.

I had a great law school professor (RIP Daniel Meltzer) who would say, when a student incorrectly answered "yes" to question: "Can you think of a slightly shorter but more accurate way of answering that question?"
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Which other Big East schools do you consider "commuter," and is it a good thing, a bad thing or it doesn't make a difference?
 
Kolumbo said:
Which other Big East schools do you consider "commuter," and is it a good thing, a bad thing or it doesn't make a difference?
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Me? None. But I wasn't the one using the "commuter school" appellation as a means of diminishing the conference.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Not that it means all that much but St John's and DePaul are absolutely commuter schools.
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DePaul is technically a commuter school but I don't think of it as your typical commuter schools which are full of parking lots and many/most kids living with their parents. DePaul is a city school, kids live on their own and walk from their apartments/houses to class or hop on the train. It's a city school like NYU, even though they fit the definition they aren't like your typical commuter schools. The only 1% of DePaul kids live on campus that freescooter saw online and referenced isn't accurate.
 
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Huskyforlife said:
Why does being a commuter matter? Are they lesser fans?
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I don't think it matters. If taking a literal definition, that many kids don't live on campus, then I'd say most Big East schools are probably commuter schools because they are in cities, although the commutes can be very short. If the connotation is a less expensive, most kids live at home school, then I don't consider any BE schools "commuter" schools. eg Louisville where most kids are probably from Kentucky.
 
superjohn said:
DePaul is technically a commuter school but I don't think of it as your typical commuter schools which are full of parking lots and many/most kids living with their parents. DePaul is a city school, kids live on their own and walk from their apartments/houses to class or hop on the train. It's a city school like NYU, even though they fit the definition they aren't like your typical commuter schools. The only 1% of DePaul kids live on campus that freescooter saw online and referenced isn't accurate.
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Both St John's and DePaul are Vincentian schools. They also were exclusively commuter schools (no school owned housing or residences on campus) until recently. Where they differed from other commuter schools is that their student bodies (in each case from major US cities with significant public transportation infrastructure) commuted via public transportation, not by driving to and from campus.

It wasn't until the early 1990's that DePaul built any on campus housing and it was nearly a decade later that St John's did. In each case many who followed each school felt that this damaged their basketball programs as once there was on campus housing, the schools could no longer provide a stipend (in lieu of housing) as part of the athletic scholarship. City kids could remain home and bank the stipend while playing at those schools.

As far as the other BE schools, I cannot speak for Butler, Creighton, Marquette or Xavier but with the exclusive, pricey eastern members (Georgetown, Providence Seton Hall, Villanova) very few underclassmen live off campus. The model they utilize, the students who do live off campus (I imagine fewer than Kolumbo is suggesting in his post) only do so as upperclassmen.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Both St John's and DePaul are Vincentian schools. They also were exclusively commuter schools (no school owned housing or residences on campus) until recently. Where they differed from other commuter schools is that their student bodies (in each case from major US cities with significant public transportation infrastructure) commuted via public transportation, not by driving to and from campus.

It wasn't until the early 1990's that DePaul built any on campus housing and it was nearly a decade later that St John's did. In each case many who followed each school felt that this damaged their basketball programs as once there was on campus housing, the schools could no longer provide a stipend (in lieu of housing) as part of the athletic scholarship. City kids could remain home and bank the stipend while playing at those schools.

As far as the other BE schools, I cannot speak for Butler, Creighton, Marquette or Xavier but with the exclusive, pricey eastern members (Georgetown, Providence Seton Hall, Villanova) very few underclassmen live off campus. The model they utilize, the students who do live off campus (I imagine fewer than Kolumbo is suggesting in his post) only do so as upperclassmen.
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That's not the case for DePaul, they've had dorms for 50 years...they've been bad at basketball because of coaching. Pat Kennedy had the #1 recurring class in the country in the late 90's but did nothing with the stud players he brought in and then Leitao, Oliver Purnell, and Jerry Wainwright all continued it. I think they finally have a good coach in Stubblefield.
 
superjohn said:
That's not the case for DePaul, they've had dorms for 50 years...they've been bad at basketball because of coaching. Pat Kennedy had the #1 recurring class in the country in the late 90's but did nothing with the stud players he brought in and then Leitao, Oliver Purnell, and Jerry Wainwright all continued it. I think they finally have a good coach in Stubblefield.
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Are you sure about DePaul having dorms for that long? I vividly remember business trips to Chicago in the late 1980's and reading (somewhere around 1989-1990) that they agreed to and were raising funding for on campus residences and would be completed in the subsequent two to three years. If they had dorms at that time I stand corrected but I do know of people who followed that program that complained about losing the stipend.

Of greater importance, how did Freescooter's claim that the BE is primarily commuter schools devolve into this?
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Are you sure about DePaul having dorms for that long? I vividly remember business trips to Chicago in the late 1980's and reading (somewhere around 1989-1990) that they agreed to and were raising funding for on campus residences and would be completed in the subsequent two to three years. If they had dorms at that time I stand corrected but I do know of people who followed that program that complained about losing the stipend.

Of greater importance, how did Freescooter's claim that the BE is primarily commuter schools devolve into this?
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I know they built their first dorm in 1970, and they had at least one other dorm in the 70's.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Both St John's and DePaul are Vincentian schools. They also were exclusively commuter schools (no school owned housing or residences on campus) until recently. Where they differed from other commuter schools is that their student bodies (in each case from major US cities with significant public transportation infrastructure) commuted via public transportation, not by driving to and from campus.

It wasn't until the early 1990's that DePaul built any on campus housing and it was nearly a decade later that St John's did. In each case many who followed each school felt that this damaged their basketball programs as once there was on campus housing, the schools could no longer provide a stipend (in lieu of housing) as part of the athletic scholarship. City kids could remain home and bank the stipend while playing at those schools.

As far as the other BE schools, I cannot speak for Butler, Creighton, Marquette or Xavier but with the exclusive, pricey eastern members (Georgetown, Providence Seton Hall, Villanova) very few underclassmen live off campus. The model they utilize, the students who do live off campus (I imagine fewer than Kolumbo is suggesting in his post) only do so as upperclassmen.
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Perhaps there is a set of data you could share - percentage of off campus residents, distance from campus, mode of commute - which constitutes a "commuter" school. I was also unaware that the "commuter" classification was based on year of graduation. Once we have that data, I suppose we can then determine whether UCONN is a "commuter" school.

I don't care if a school is considered commuter or not, it just seemed some took it as a negative.
 
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How did the Patrick Ewing post become the commuter school post ? Start a new commuter school post and leave this one for Ewing, who if his players stay this time will get one more year.
 
Kolumbo said:
Perhaps there is a set of data you could share - percentage of off campus residents, distance from campus, mode of commute - which constitutes a "commuter" school. I was also unaware that the "commuter" classification was based on year of graduation. Once we have that data, I suppose we can then determine whether UCONN is a "commuter" school.

I don't care if a school is considered commuter or not, it just seemed some took it as a negative.
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Take from this what you want. I'm done with this ridiculous debate.


DePaul
https://www.usnews.com/best-college...rsity has a total,of students live off campus.

Key takeaway: "Students who live off-campus 99% Students who live in college-owned, operated or affiliated housing1%"


St John's
https://www.usnews.com/best-college...User Reviews-,St.,of students live off campus.

Key takeaway: "At this school, 13% of the students live in college-owned, -operated or -affiliated housing and 87% of students live off campus."
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Take from this what you want. I'm done with this ridiculous debate.


DePaul
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/depaul-university-1671/student-life#:~:text=DePaul University has a total,of students live off campus.

Key takeaway: "Students who live off-campus 99% Students who live in college-owned, operated or affiliated housing1%"


St John's
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/st-johns-university-new-york-2823/student-life#:~:text=User Reviews-,St.,of students live off campus.

Key takeaway: "At this school, 13% of the students live in college-owned, -operated or -affiliated housing and 87% of students live off campus."
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Don't quit now. There is not much at all to take away from this but thanks for the effort. However way you want to define "commuter," I'd like to know which Big East schools are not "commuter" schools and why. A student could live off campus at an urban school like DePaul and have a shorter "commute" (5 minute walk) than I had walking from East Campus to the Math-Science building. I'm also not sure why the US News data seems to be so far off from reality. Try this:

Student Housing at DePaul | DePaul University | DePaul University, Chicago

www.depaul.edu www.depaul.edu
 
FfldCntyFan said:
Take from this what you want. I'm done with this ridiculous debate.


DePaul
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/depaul-university-1671/student-life#:~:text=DePaul University has a total,of students live off campus.

Key takeaway: "Students who live off-campus 99% Students who live in college-owned, operated or affiliated housing1%"


St John's
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/st-johns-university-new-york-2823/student-life#:~:text=User Reviews-,St.,of students live off campus.

Key takeaway: "At this school, 13% of the students live in college-owned, -operated or -affiliated housing and 87% of students live off campus."
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I already told you that 1% statistic for DePaul is inaccurate. 70-75% of DePaul freshmen live on the Lincoln Park campus, that right there alone is over 2,000 students.
 
superjohn said:
I already told you that 1% statistic for DePaul is inaccurate. 70-75% of DePaul freshmen live on the Lincoln Park campus, that right there alone is over 2,000 students.
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My lady comment here. While you may very well know more about that school today (I haven't been in Chicago on business for about 40 years) I did know that school quite well before the 1990s and the 1% that US News has posted (all you need to do is follow the link) looks very accurate (if anything a little high) for what that school's makeup had traditionally been.

At the moment I am given the choice of a) taking your word for the current in campus housing situation b) taking the word of a publication who, while many question their methodology, has always been accurate with their statistics and make their living off of this ir c) pass as in reality, there are far more important things to deal with.

I choose c.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
My lady comment here. While you may very well know more about that school today (I haven't been in Chicago on business for about 40 years) I did know that school quite well before the 1990s and the 1% that US News has posted (all you need to do is follow the link) looks very accurate (if anything a little high) for what that school's makeup had traditionally been.

At the moment I am given the choice of a) taking your word for the current in campus housing situation b) taking the word of a publication who, while many question their methodology, has always been accurate with their statistics and make their living off of this ir c) pass as in reality, there are far more important things to deal with.

I choose c.
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Believe what you want to believe, they're wrong. DePaul has a dozen dorms and student housing buildings on their Lincoln Park campus and over 2,000 freshmen live in them.

I pass the campus practically every day and know people who have lived in those dorms. Went to the UConn DePaul game with one of them.
 
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I hope this isn't Patrick Ewing's final year at Georgetown. I really want to see the guy succeed at bringing the Georgetown program back to what it once was. He's obviously a legendary Hoya himself, and seems like a decent man, and with all the years of experience playing and several coaching, hopefully he has what it takes to get the job done. Sometimes it takes a few years, and between winning the BE tournament last year and having plenty of games this year where they've been competitive but just couldn't get the win, maybe he just needs another year or two. I think he's earned and deserves another year to show some meaurable progress. The university gave him an extension to include next season, so unless they want to do a buyout (which is highly doubtful), we'll see.
 
SwingDog said:
I hope this isn't Patrick Ewing's final year at Georgetown. I really want to see the guy succeed at bringing the Georgetown program back to what it once was. He's obviously a legendary Hoya himself, and seems like a decent man, and with all the years of experience playing and several coaching, hopefully he has what it takes to get the job done. Sometimes it takes a few years, and between winning the BE tournament last year and having plenty of games this year where they've been competitive but just couldn't get the win, maybe he just needs another year or two. I think he's earned and deserves another year to show some meaurable progress. The university gave him an extension to include next season, so unless they want to do a buyout (which is highly doubtful), we'll see.
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2/3 of his roster transferred out after that miracle BET run. Their idea of competitive is like a 10 point loss. Totally non competitive team. The problems there go way deep.

 
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UcannUconn said:
2/3 of his roster transferred out after that miracle BET run. Their idea of competitive is like a 10 point loss. Totally non competitive team. The problems there go way deep.

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Next year will likely be Ewing's last chance to move the program forward. I don't see the university buying out his contract or flinching on their support for him, at least until the conclusion of 2022-2023. I disagree that they haven't been competitive. Everyone knows they've been stung by transfers (such as Wahab), and obviously the university is taking that into consideration. If you look at their scores this season, there are few blowouts. They lost to Seton Hall by 5 the other night, by 8 to Villanova, by 8 to Providence the first game, and hung with them for 3/4 of the 2nd game until the Friars ran away with it. They lost by 3 to Butler and DePaul as well. I don't think they're far from winning a handful of games next season and building from there if they retain and develop the talent they have, and get some key pieces in recruiting.
 
SwingDog said:
Next year will likely be Ewing's last chance to move the program forward. I don't see the university buying out his contract or flinching on their support for him, at least until the conclusion of 2022-2023. I disagree that they haven't been competitive. Everyone knows they've been stung by transfers (such as Wahab), and obviously the university is taking that into consideration. If you look at their scores this season, there are few blowouts. They lost to Seton Hall by 5 the other night, by 8 to Villanova, by 8 to Providence the first game, and hung with them for 3/4 of the 2nd game until the Friars ran away with it. They lost by 3 to Butler and DePaul as well. I don't think they're far from winning a handful of games next season and building from there if they retain and develop the talent they have, and get some key pieces in recruiting.
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You can’t survive the majority of your players transferring out before going winless in conference. It would be a miracle if he gets another shot. Fanbase and donors want him out.
 
SwingDog said:
Next year will likely be Ewing's last chance to move the program forward. I don't see the university buying out his contract or flinching on their support for him, at least until the conclusion of 2022-2023. I disagree that they haven't been competitive. Everyone knows they've been stung by transfers (such as Wahab), and obviously the university is taking that into consideration. If you look at their scores this season, there are few blowouts. They lost to Seton Hall by 5 the other night, by 8 to Villanova, by 8 to Providence the first game, and hung with them for 3/4 of the 2nd game until the Friars ran away with it. They lost by 3 to Butler and DePaul as well. I don't think they're far from winning a handful of games next season and building from there if they retain and develop the talent they have, and get some key pieces in recruiting.
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And that would be perfect for Georgetown. Win a handful of games. Well, actually the perfect season would be .500 in the NEWBIE and .500 overall. Then they could claim they are not Terrible, but they don’t over emphasize athletics. It isn’t that they oppose having a winning program. And they wouldn’t oppose winning a National Championship. But it isn’t that important and they aren’t doing all those things you need to do to succeed at a high level in D1 basketball. If they win, great. If they don’t win, that’s ok. The next Secretary of State is probably on the Political Science faculty and there is a Pulitzer Prize there, and some medical school faculty are engaged in groundbreaking research on cancer treatment.
Georgetown was always sort of the answer to which one doesn’t belong In the Big East. But in the 1970s having Catholic ties was more important or at least equal to academic reputation. It has become more of a misfit as it’s academic prestige has risen and the NOOB has a collection of mostly mid level inner city colleges and religious affiliation has become less significant.
 
Hiring the Morgan State guy would be a disaster. Who cares if he can "recruit" but the jump from the MEAC to the Big East is too much...
 
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