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Could this be Patrick Ewing’s last year?

Storrs South said:
I do not think Cooley leaves for Georgetown if they pursued him (let alone have the stones to fire Ewing), but consider the fact that when Georgetown is good they typically average a higher fan attendance than what PC's arena can hold. The last time Georgetown was good, they averaged over 13k at Capital One (and the building has a working roof).

Also the greater prestige, program history, and an endowment 8x the size assuming Georgetown is ready to really open up the checkbook here. I think facilities are on par as well.

I will also add Cooley's most critical cogs for his team of luck this season is gone after this year (losing Watson, Durham) so unless he absolutely crushes the portal since they only have 3 three stars coming in, next year could be rough for them and so it is a good time to leave town if he so chose.

Whether he pulls a Chris Mack has yet to be seen but I remain skeptical, more about Georgetown's ability to pull this off given they seem beholden to the JTII legacy more than anything.
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Georgetown should aim higher than Cooley, he is not a good in game coach. I don't know if anyone better would be interested, but they should try.
 
nomar said:
You're talking about 2022 Lappie Award winner Ed Cooley there
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I enjoyed how the announcers acted beyond amazed that Dikembe held the Lappie. They must have mentioned it 3 or 4 times.
 
Georgetown truly doesn’t care about the basketball program. Oh sure, they don’t want to be a joke, worse than DePaul. But if Ewing gets bounced, it will be a pretty sweet gig for the next guy. Finish .500 most years, maybe get an NCAA bid every few years. The current leadership at Georgetown has a view that is far closer to the Ivy League, and frankly they have a school that is closer to the Ivy League than to the commuter colleges that make up most of the New Big East. Honestly, if it weren’t for the legacy of being an original Big East member, they would be far more likely to join the Patriot League than the NEWBIE. They might have some older alumni who remember the glory days, but that group is getting smaller every year. They are far more interested in winning Pulitzers and than NCAA Titles these days.
 
freescooter said:
Georgetown truly doesn’t care about the basketball program. Oh sure, they don’t want to be a joke, worse than DePaul. But if Ewing gets bounced, it will be a pretty sweet gig for the next guy. Finish .500 most years, maybe get an NCAA bid every few years. The current leadership at Georgetown has a view that is far closer to the Ivy League, and frankly they have a school that is closer to the Ivy League than to the commuter colleges that make up most of the New Big East. Honestly, if it weren’t for the legacy of being an original Big East member, they would be far more likely to join the Patriot League than the NEWBIE. They might have some older alumni who remember the glory days, but that group is getting smaller every year. They are far more interested in winning Pulitzers and than NCAA Titles these days.
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Freescooter doesn't care about the University of Connecticut, UConn basketball or the Big East and makes a fool of himself with each one of his posts.
 
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freescooter said:
Georgetown truly doesn’t care about the basketball program. Oh sure, they don’t want to be a joke, worse than DePaul. But if Ewing gets bounced, it will be a pretty sweet gig for the next guy. Finish .500 most years, maybe get an NCAA bid every few years. The current leadership at Georgetown has a view that is far closer to the Ivy League, and frankly they have a school that is closer to the Ivy League than to the commuter colleges that make up most of the New Big East. Honestly, if it weren’t for the legacy of being an original Big East member, they would be far more likely to join the Patriot League than the NEWBIE. They might have some older alumni who remember the glory days, but that group is getting smaller every year. They are far more interested in winning Pulitzers and than NCAA Titles these days.
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If this is all true, what would be the school's rationale for giving Ewing a contract extension after making the NCAA Tournament last year? If the school truly doesn't care why didn't they just let the big contract expire and hire some cheaper young coach?
 
HooperScooper said:
If this is all true, what would be the school's rationale for giving Ewing a contract extension after making the NCAA Tournament last year? If the school truly doesn't care why didn't they just let the big contract expire and hire some cheaper young coach?
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He’s Patrick Freaking Ewing, for heaven’s sake. That’s why. Look, believe it or don ‘t. Georgetown Ranks having a great basketball team about 3 places below where the rank having attractive tiles in the womens’ bathrooms in Lauinger Library. They haven’t been relevant for 15 years. Last year was the first time they were in the tournament since 2015 and it took a miracle run to get there. They aren’t becoming Villanova or Gonzaga. They likely won’t even try. I don’t know if Ewing will be back. But if You are an up and coming coach, you aren’t going to Georgetown. They aren’t letting you recruit anyone regardless of academics. They aren’t letting guys take fake classes.

Note on commuter schools: St. John’s 13% of undergrads live on campus. De Paul 1% live on campus, those are the definition of commuter schools.
 
freescooter said:
He’s Patrick Freaking Ewing, for heaven’s sake. That’s why. Look, believe it or don ‘t. Georgetown Ranks having a great basketball team about 3 places below where the rank having attractive tiles in the womens’ bathrooms in Lauinger Library. They haven’t been relevant for 15 years. Last year was the first time they were in the tournament since 2015 and it took a miracle run to get there. They aren’t becoming Villanova or Gonzaga. They likely won’t even try. I don’t know if Ewing will be back. But if You are an up and coming coach, you aren’t going to Georgetown. They aren’t letting you recruit anyone regardless of academics. They aren’t letting guys take fake classes.

Note on commuter schools: St. John’s 13% of undergrads live on campus. De Paul 1% live on campus, those are the definition of commuter schools.
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Wow, you exposed yourself even more than you usually do.
 
freescooter said:
He’s Patrick Freaking Ewing, for heaven’s sake. That’s why. Look, believe it or don ‘t. Georgetown Ranks having a great basketball team about 3 places below where the rank having attractive tiles in the womens’ bathrooms in Lauinger Library. They haven’t been relevant for 15 years. Last year was the first time they were in the tournament since 2015 and it took a miracle run to get there. They aren’t becoming Villanova or Gonzaga. They likely won’t even try. I don’t know if Ewing will be back. But if You are an up and coming coach, you aren’t going to Georgetown. They aren’t letting you recruit anyone regardless of academics. They aren’t letting guys take fake classes.

Note on commuter schools: St. John’s 13% of undergrads live on campus. De Paul 1% live on campus, those are the definition of commuter schools.
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What’s the general salary range for their next coach in your mind? Since, you know, they don’t care about basketball and aren’t really going to try. It must be like $50K right? Probably less, that could buy so many bathroom tiles.
 
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A, I think he is happy where he is now, close to home and no pressure
B, his buy out is like 12 million dollars.
 
CaptainRon said:
A, I think he is happy where he is now, close to home and no pressure
B, his buy out is like 12 million dollars.
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Clearly there is no pressure if the University just said they won't fire him after literally going winless in the conference. He's got the best gig in the world, the floor could not be any lower lmao
 
aburks41 said:
Clearly there is no pressure if the University just said they won't fire him after literally going winless in the conference. He's got the best gig in the world, the floor could not be any lower lmao
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I think he was referencing pitino
 
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aburks41 said:
Oh, well the same sentiment is probably true for Ewing too lol
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With Ewing the admin either said we need to give Ewing one more year because he’s our guy or they said we don’t want to pay the buyout yet so let’s give him one more shot. Not sure if their mind frame matters if they come out and lay another egg next season.
 
I hate to agree with the guy but perusing the GTown forums their fanbase seems to agree that the school just doesn't care too much about sports beyond keeping it in the family. True, I dunno but wow their record is depressing.

The real problem this year? His team can't hear Patrick shouting "rebound" at them non-stop anymore like last year. Those 6 fans they had at our game last week really drowned him out.
 
Winning just 6 games is so historically bad that maybe some extremely bad luck played into it somehow. covid, transfers, I don't follow it closely enough. At any rate, it would be a shame if G'town doesn't do something to shore up its basketball program. It just won a soccer championship a couple seasons ago. Mullin only lasted 4 years at SJU so it's not the end of the world for a legend to leave with little success.

Commuter school, imo, connotes schools where students want to save money by living at home and going to school close to home. I don't consider any Big East schools "commuter." Many are in cities so of course many students live off campus on account of there being plenty of housing a short walk from the actual campus.
 
Kolumbo said:
Winning just 6 games is so historically bad that maybe some extremely bad luck played into it somehow. covid, transfers, I don't follow it closely enough. At any rate, it would be a shame if G'town doesn't do something to shore up its basketball program. It just won a soccer championship a couple seasons ago. Mullin only lasted 4 years at SJU so it's not the end of the world for a legend to leave with little success.

Commuter school, imo, connotes schools where students want to save money by living at home and going to school close to home. I don't consider any Big East schools "commuter." Many are in cities so of course many students live off campus on account of there being plenty of housing a short walk from the actual campus.
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Not that it means all that much but St John's and DePaul are absolutely commuter schools.
 
I am not sure the statement today means that he is coming back. It is very carefully worded.

The show of support might just make it easier for Ewing to walk away after the season on good terms with the university. I would put the odds on him coming back at 70/30 against.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
Not that it means all that much but St John's and DePaul are absolutely commuter schools.
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They absolutely are. I think the weird part about Freescooter's anti-Big East animus is that the claim that "most" of the Big East is comprised of commuter schools is just factually incorrect. It would be more accurate to say that "most" of the Big East schools are "not" commuter schools. Which is a big difference.

I had a great law school professor (RIP Daniel Meltzer) who would say, when a student incorrectly answered "yes" to question: "Can you think of a slightly shorter but more accurate way of answering that question?"
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
They absolutely are. I think the weird part about Freescooter's anti-Big East animus is that the claim that "most" of the Big East is comprised of commuter schools is just factually incorrect. It would be more accurate to say that "most" of the Big East schools are "not" commuter schools. Which is a big difference.

I had a great law school professor (RIP Daniel Meltzer) who would say, when a student incorrectly answered "yes" to question: "Can you think of a slightly shorter but more accurate way of answering that question?"
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Might’ve been a heavily nuanced “yes”.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
They absolutely are. I think the weird part about Freescooter's anti-Big East animus is that the claim that "most" of the Big East is comprised of commuter schools is just factually incorrect. It would be more accurate to say that "most" of the Big East schools are "not" commuter schools. Which is a big difference.

I had a great law school professor (RIP Daniel Meltzer) who would say, when a student incorrectly answered "yes" to question: "Can you think of a slightly shorter but more accurate way of answering that question?"
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Yes, the remainder (just shy of 82%) of the conference could not qualify as commuter schools under any stretch of the imagination.

What I find most humorous about his claim is that the AAC has more commuter schools (USF, UCF, Memphis, Houston) than the Big East does.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
I had a great law school professor (RIP Daniel Meltzer) who would say, when a student incorrectly answered "yes" to question: "Can you think of a slightly shorter but more accurate way of answering that question?"
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OMG, I must share this with my wife who is a professor - she'll love it as much as I do.

I agree, the statement from GT doesn't really mean much at all but I have to imagine the buyout is painful?
 
Fishy said:
I am not sure the statement today means that he is coming back. It is very carefully worded.

The show of support might just make it easier for Ewing to walk away after the season on good terms with the university. I would put the odds on him coming back at 70/30 against.
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Good point. The money really doesn't mean much to an NBA star who made over $120 million in his career. TV announcers said he was a very good Asst. coach in the NBA so not sure why he did not have more success. I never did get the story on why some of the highly touted recruits left. I wish him the best if he moves on. Faced a lot of unwarranted adversity by some moronic fans in his college career. He certainly makes my all- worthy opponent team. He has character and has been a great role model.
 
Fishy said:
I am not sure the statement today means that he is coming back. It is very carefully worded.

The show of support might just make it easier for Ewing to walk away after the season on good terms with the university. I would put the odds on him coming back at 70/30 against.
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It is an interesting statement. I'd almost want to say that they move Ewing into a President of Basketball Operations and Recruiting then go out and hire an Xs and Os coach. Patrick Ewing in your living room has to be a good recruiting tool.
 
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