2025 Recruiting: Cooper Flagg

[Dean Wormer]

This thread is exhibit A for off-season stir craziness. Sheesh. Ok I admit I’m loving it.

Like I said, I hate August.

 

[Captbluefin]

It’s not the coach of Duke. It’s the “Brand” of Duke. That we are recruiting against. It is the biggest “ Brand” in the game if we like it or not.

Sure be nice to beat them out for Flagg

 

[Huskybass]

He's just starting out. Nobody expected their recruiting to fall off. We don't know if he is a good coach and developer of talent. UConn won a national title in Ollie's second season, we all saw how that turned out.

Hubert is a nice guy but he was preseason #1 and he just missed the tournament. He's on the Mike Davis, Kevin Ollie path.

You're nuts in thinking nothing changes when you replace a legendary coach.

Scheyer won 75% of his games and a conference championship in year 1. The coach does matter a great deal, but it appears that in the case of Duke, their successor to Coach K is a very good one. I fully expect Duke to be relevant nationally for years to come. Ollie was a real bad choice. I see no similar situation with Scheyer.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Scheyer won 75% of his games and a conference championship in year 1. The coach does matter a great deal, but it appears that in the case of Duke, their successor to Coach K is a very good one. I fully expect Duke to be relevant nationally for years to come. Ollie was a real bad choice. I see no similar situation with Scheyer.

Agreed. Scheyer didn’t win a Chip in his first tournament.

 

[Huskybass]

Agreed. Scheyer didn’t win a Chip in his first tournament.

And Ollie ran the UConn program into the ground in 4 to 5 years. There is virtually no chance you see that with Scheyer. If you are being honest, you know that is true.

 

[businesslawyer]

It’s not the coach of Duke. It’s the “Brand” of Duke. That we are recruiting against. It is the biggest “ Brand” in the game if we like it or not.

Sure be nice to beat them out for Flagg

Correct. Brands don’t lose their power overnight, even if the product changes. But brands do lose their power over time if the product isn’t what it used to be.

 

[August_West]

Like I said, I hate August.

You're not the first and certainly won't be the last. It's a crowded Bandwagon but all are welcome.

 

[Dean Wormer]

You're not the first and certainly won't be the last. It's a crowded Bandwagon but all are welcome.

Why so smug?

 

[HuskyHawk]

He's just starting out. Nobody expected their recruiting to fall off. We don't know if he is a good coach and developer of talent. UConn won a national title in Ollie's second season, we all saw how that turned out.

Hubert is a nice guy but he was preseason #1 and he just missed the tournament. He's on the Mike Davis, Kevin Ollie path.

You're nuts in thinking nothing changes when you replace a legendary coach.

I'm not saying nothing changes. I made the IU comparison for a reason. We all saw what happened at Georgetown as well. I'm saying it isn't going to happen to Duke this cycle. Scheyer is the guy. He had a strong reputation for developing players as an assistant coach and is an incredible recruiter.

But the discussion was about Flagg and development. You aren't going to get Flagg to UConn by negative recruiting against Duke and Scheyer. It's a terrible argument. He's credited with developing lots of Duke's guys as an assistant. He's the guy who found Jason Tatum and got him to Duke and they remain close. Who's camp does Flagg go to?

 

[uconnfan68]

You're not the first and certainly won't be the last. It's a crowded Bandwagon but all are welcome.

Ooof. Don't take it personally... it's just business.

 

[ARIDE]

We need a non discussion site with just recruiting news...

 

[Dean Wormer]

Ooof. Don't take it personally... it's just business.

Especially since I meant the month, not the poster! No need to get all salty about it.

 

[CL82]

I'm not saying nothing changes. I made the IU comparison for a reason. We all saw what happened at Georgetown as well. I'm saying it isn't going to happen to Duke this cycle. Scheyer is the guy. He had a strong reputation for developing players as an assistant coach and is an incredible recruiter.

But the discussion was about Flagg and development. You aren't going to get Flagg to UConn by negative recruiting against Duke and Scheyer. It's a terrible argument. He's credited with developing lots of Duke's guys as an assistant. He's the guy who found Jason Tatum and got him to Duke and they remain close. Who's camp does Flagg go to?

Negative selling is a weak pitch in any event. I've always believed in pitching your strengths and letting conpetitors chase you rather than trying to undercut competitors.

 

[superjohn]

Scheyer won 75% of his games and a conference championship in year 1. The coach does matter a great deal, but it appears that in the case of Duke, their successor to Coach K is a very good one. I fully expect Duke to be relevant nationally for years to come. Ollie was a real bad choice. I see no similar situation with Scheyer.

The ACC was garbage last year, Duke had their lowest scoring NCAA game ever getting their butts kicked in the second round. They're still getting a ton of talent but it's the beginning of his tenure at Duke. We simply don't know what he is as a head coach, he's living off of what coach K built.

They should be great this upcoming season and the ACC is going to stink again, so we'll see.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Flagg is playing against 16 and 17 year olds. Wembanyama is in a Pro League. Association with UConn shouldn’t cloud the judgement. Flagg is a tremendous prospect, Wemby is a generational prospect.

Clingan played in a public HS league, doesn’t lessen his talent. Harder to scout? Sure, but NBA scouts have a job for a reason.

Flagg is definitely a generational talent as of right now. Of course he’s only what 16 or 17? Still has 2 big development years before he hits the NBA, so a lot could happen in that time, but it’d be serious oversight to automatically declare Wemby > Flagg in a hypothetical draft situation.

With that being said, think how many scouts are thankful Flagg reclassed into 2024, so they don’t have to make a decision between him and Boozer in a draft. Truly going into a golden age of basketball (especially throwing in Dybansta too).

 

[superjohn]

I'm not saying nothing changes. I made the IU comparison for a reason. We all saw what happened at Georgetown as well. I'm saying it isn't going to happen to Duke this cycle. Scheyer is the guy. He had a strong reputation for developing players as an assistant coach and is an incredible recruiter.

But the discussion was about Flagg and development. You aren't going to get Flagg to UConn by negative recruiting against Duke and Scheyer. It's a terrible argument. He's credited with developing lots of Duke's guys as an assistant. He's the guy who found Jason Tatum and got him to Duke and they remain close. Who's camp does Flagg go to?

"Scheyer isn't relevant. He's going to do what K always did." -HuskyHawk

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Clingan played in a public HS league, doesn’t lessen his talent. Harder to scout? Sure, but NBA scouts have a job for a reason.

Flagg is definitely a generational talent as of right now. Of course he’s only what 16 or 17? Still has 2 big development years before he hits the NBA, so a lot could happen in that time, but it’d be serious oversight to automatically declare Wemby > Flagg in a hypothetical draft situation.

With that being said, think how many scouts are thankful Flagg reclassed into 2024, so they don’t have to make a decision between him and Boozer in a draft. Truly going into a golden age of basketball (especially throwing in Dybansta too).

Flagg is not generational. LeBron was generational, Wemby is generational. Flagg is a great prospect. AD was a better prospect, for example.

 

[HuskyHawk]

"Scheyer isn't relevant. He's going to do what K always did." -HuskyHawk

In the context of recruiting Flagg, he isn't relevant. He might even be a positive given his connection with Tatum.

 

[superjohn]

Negative selling is a weak pitch in any event. I've always believed in pitching your strengths and letting conpetitors chase you rather than trying to undercut competitors.

I never said anything about negative selling, HuskyHawk is pulling that out of nowhere. UConn should be selling what they've done. Hurley just won a national championship and has all sorts of experience as a head coach. Scheyer has one season of experience as a head coach. We have a major advantage there.