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The AAC needed 12 in case two more left, which at the time seemed important.

Same position the XII finds itself in unless in 2024 there is major reshuffle that finds FSU and Clemson leaving the ACC as part of a 4x16.
 
SubbaBub said:
The AAC needed 12 in case two more left, which at the time seemed important.

Same position the XII finds itself in unless in 2024 there is major reshuffle that finds FSU and Clemson leaving the ACC as part of a 4x16.
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Texas already made clear they don't want to expand east. Which is dumb as heck, but whatever. The ACC would survive, between the Big 12 and ACC. And then the Big Ten can buy the rights to Big 14, etc.
 
SubbaBub said:
The AAC needed 12 in case two more left, which at the time seemed important.

Same position the XII finds itself in unless in 2024 there is major reshuffle that finds FSU and Clemson leaving the ACC as part of a 4x16.
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FSU and Clemson aren't going anywhere. The ACC extended their GOR through 2036.
 
Hoophound said:
I'd never leave this comment unchecked if I were Herbst/Benedict. That is total b.s. While I would want to slam their idiocy in the process, I'd avoid that for now because making enemies is not a good idea. However, I would certainly use it as an opportunity to get some publicity by smashing that comment to bits with facts and showing some fight. Maybe with Cincy and Houston that actually applies, but no way is it true of BYU and UConn. If they actually believe that, who is feeding them that nonsense? We all know who.
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absolutely agree. being publically weighed and measured in itself is complete crap... using the results to explain a complete fabrication requires some retort. unless uconn doesn't know they aren't out of the running yet and don't want to burn bridges.
 
Marty Jackson said:
absolutely agree. being publically weighed and measured in itself is complete crap... using the results to explain a complete fabrication requires some retort. unless uconn doesn't know they aren't out of the running yet and don't want to burn bridges.
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We don't really need to burn bridges. We need to use it as another selling opportunity. We have to keep selling. Why is perception the way it is? We don't sell, we quietly maneuver hoping that others will see the forest through the trees. We have to sell!

Ugh. Between Diaco and our administration, I'm starting to come around to the whole fork in the nut sack idea another poster had when this was all starting to unravel on us.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I also suspect that there were University Presidents, who watched those mostly solid academic institutions walk, and who were only willing to suffer ECU with somebody like Tulane coming in at the same time. Tulane is not a major problem for the AAC, I don't know why people are harping about it.
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There is another possible reason. Tulane is AAU. UConn wants to be AAU to get into the B1G. Boom, there's one vote for us.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
I also suspect that there were University Presidents, who watched those mostly solid academic institutions walk, and who were only willing to suffer ECU with somebody like Tulane coming in at the same time. Tulane is not a major problem for the AAC, I don't know why people are harping about it.
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I think Tulane and ECU announcement was the morning before Louisville was voted into the ACC - I suspect it was just basic survival more than anything else.

And I agree - Tulane is like #231 on our list of problems.

I know we're sports' focused here, but if we have to be associated with a bunch of random scrapple, I would prefer it be academically-solid scrapple. If nothing else, Tulane is an excellent school and even Tulsa is quite good.
 
Fishy said:
I think Tulane and ECU announcement was the morning before Louisville was voted into the ACC - I suspect it was just basic survival more than anything else.

And I agree - Tulane is like #231 on our list of problems.

I know we're sports' focused here, but if we have to be associated with a bunch of random scrapple, I would prefer it be academically-solid scrapple. If nothing else, Tulane is an excellent school and even Tulsa is quite good.
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Iowa State Pres Leath talking again:

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 1h 1 hour ago
Iowa State President Steven Leath to @iowastatedaily on Big 12: "I feel less likely that we’ll expand right now.” #Big12Expansion

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 1h 1 hour ago
This is obviously a turn from August when Leath seemed optimistic on expansion. #Big12Expansion

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 1h 1 hour ago
Added he can’t know for sure until he meets with the Big 12 presidents later this month but feels chances are “smaller." #Big12Expansion

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 11m 11 minutes ago
Leath: “[Oklahoma] has indicated less of a willingness to expand.” #Big12Expansion

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 8m 8 minutes ago
Here’s a quick story on Leath’s comments this morning. #Big12Expansion
Iowa State President Steven Leath says he feels Big 12 expansion "less likely"
 
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huskymedic said:
Iowa State Pres Leath talking again:

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 1h 1 hour ago
Iowa State President Steven Leath to @iowastatedaily on Big 12: "I feel less likely that we’ll expand right now.” #Big12Expansion

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 1h 1 hour ago
This is obviously a turn from August when Leath seemed optimistic on expansion. #Big12Expansion

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 1h 1 hour ago
Added he can’t know for sure until he meets with the Big 12 presidents later this month but feels chances are “smaller." #Big12Expansion

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 11m 11 minutes ago
Leath: “[Oklahoma] has indicated less of a willingness to expand.” #Big12Expansion

Luke Manderfeld ‏@LukeManderfeld 8m 8 minutes ago
Here’s a quick story on Leath’s comments this morning. #Big12Expansion
Iowa State President Steven Leath says he feels Big 12 expansion "less likely"
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IMHO I take the B-12's failure to expand right now as good for UConn athletics. This whole expansion talk by the B-12 has proven that conference to be a total dysfunctional mess to say the least! It also gives Benedict some time to put his mark on the athletic department. The B-12 will be minus minimum of UT, OU, OSU and possibly KU by the time their GOR ends.
 
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So Gee says not a dead issue. Not putting any stock on his fav four. so expansion likelihood feels like around 15% this go-around. Thought it was 0% before his post.
 
If those are Gee's favorite four, it would be consistent with what we have said of university presidents all along. To them, academics matter.
 
My guess is the B-12 wanted to add us and BYU all along but BYU's baggage (honor code) and our very disappointing football performance put both schools on the back burner. If we can give the B-12 reason to have confidence that we can be a competent football program they will add us.
 
WVU has been begging for an addition to the B12 that would make travel easier for them. This is likely Gee's way of saving face at his school by saying " I was in favor of expanding even though nobody else was"
 
At the end of the day, if a school not named OU or UT decide to leave money on the table for nothing more than a loose assurance then they deserve their fate.

They are all being played.

My only optimism comes from the fact that money drives all decisions and they are leaving 80M/yr on the table for the next 8 years.

That's a lot of money.
 
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But but but....WVU has twitter pics with Houston pres!!! That tweet can't be right!

 
No matter what happens during Monday's Big 12 meeting I can't help but picture the Big 12 as 10 people stumbling and bumbling around in the dark looking for the light switch.
 
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They may not be, if Fox and ESPN given them $40M to not expand that is more than having to add 2 teams and split evenly in theory. I'm sure the share will be on a scale, but at some point 2 new schools would get an equal share.

Marty Jackson said:
At the end of the day, if a school not named OU or UT decide to leave money on the table for nothing more than a loose assurance then they deserve their fate.

They are all being played.

My only optimism comes from the fact that money drives all decisions and they are leaving 80M/yr on the table for the next 8 years.

That's a lot of money.
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Anything more than a nominal buyout of the pro rata clause by the networks makes zero sense if they are not gaining the inventory of additional expansion teams.

The B12 will not be paid simply to not expand. It woupd harm future deals with the more powerful conferences.

The idea of a relief plan should the big 2 teams leave early is equally ridiculous. Why would they do that, to save the Cotton Bowl? No.
 
The issue that some of the hilbilles are saying is that none of the teams add equivalent value to the B12 so just adding a couple G5 teams would dilute the league. ESPN/FOX agreed to that pro rata share for the hopes of adding a FSU, Clemson, Arizona, etc. and not a Cincy, UConn, USF, etc. So they would agree to a few more $$ and then name or exclude which teams they'd agree to pay the larger pro rata share for.

SubbaBub said:
Anything more than a nominal buyout of the pro rata clause by the networks makes zero sense if they are not gaining the inventory of additional expansion teams.

The B12 will not be paid simply to not expand. It woupd harm future deals with the more powerful conferences.

The idea of a relief plan should the big 2 teams leave early is equally ridiculous. Why would they do that, to save the Cotton Bowl? No.
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JSM1970 said:
The issue that some of the hilbilles are saying is that none of the teams add equivalent value to the B12 so just adding a couple G5 teams would dilute the league. ESPN/FOX agreed to that pro rata share for the hopes of adding a FSU, Clemson, Arizona, etc. and not a Cincy, UConn, USF, etc. So they would agree to a few more $$ and then name or exclude which teams they'd agree to pay the larger pro rata share for.
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The instant a school moves from G5 to P5, they are in and that stigma is gone (see Pitt, uofl, tcu, Syracuse, and Rutgers). The Big12 knows that in order to increase its chances for long term survival, they need to expand. They will take the best available schools and use the remaining time to grow and stabilize the conference.
Too much money on the table, networks are overplaying their position, and UT/OU are realizing their best options are a legitimate Big12 conference. Too many concessions moving to other conference.
Big12 will add 4 but negotiate with the networks as way to 'grease the skids' for next round of negotiations. They aren't giving up $80M/year and getting nothing in return.
 
Right now it's probably

70% they don't add any
25% they add 2 and
5% or less they add 4.

Surprised you feel so strongly about the 4

I think UT said only 1-2 expansion teams in last 10 years has made the playoff or a BCS, I don't recall the exact statement so their argument is they don't increase the value of the league. Of course, I could have my stats way off too.

VA Tech has been in a BCS as an ACC member, TCU possibly, T A&M, though they came from a P5

Marty Jackson said:
The instant a school moves from G5 to P5, they are in and that stigma is gone (see Pitt, uofl, tcu, Syracuse, and Rutgers). The Big12 knows that in order to increase its chances for long term survival, they need to expand. They will take the best available schools and use the remaining time to grow and stabilize the conference.
Too much money on the table, networks are overplaying their position, and UT/OU are realizing their best options are a legitimate Big12 conference. Too many concessions moving to other conference.
Big12 will add 4 but negotiate with the networks as way to 'grease the skids' for next round of negotiations. They aren't giving up $80M/year and getting nothing in return.
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