The difference is that UConn manages to do it in field of 64. I mean Alabama could do in a field of 8 or 12, right?But UConn women aren't different than Alabama....recruiting elite talent, coaching...equals NC contenders.
And, like Alabama has been, boringly consistent as top contenders for a NC.
The difference is that UConn manages to do it in field of 64. I mean Alabama could do in a field of 8 or 12, right?
I guess I don’t understand your point. You seem to be saying that if the playoffs get expanded than the best teams won’t participate. That seems a logical fallacy. The cream will rise to the top.But putting Ball State in because the
The difference is football and basketball...UConn football could do it 8 or 12, right?
It takes a lot to have 13 straight double digit win seasons in the SEC....and play through to the Final Championship game in 4 of the last five seasons. I give Bama credit...as I gave UConn Women credit...don't understand your point.
I agree on no AQs. A one-loss G5 school has no business in a 12-team playoff (I see BYU there, but it should be ranked by the committee as BYU lost to Coastal Carolina, another G5 team) and a three-loss Pac-12 team doesn't either.I think they should forget AQ's all together....
If you want to expand...go with the best teams...if you have to use a computer rather than a committee, just do it....
Last year...If they had gone with the Massey Composite,,,Dec 19, 2020
1,,,Alabama
2...Clemson
3...Ohio State
4...Notre Dame
5...Cincinnati
6...Texas A&M
7...Oklahoma
8...Georgia
9....BYU
10...Indiana
11...Florida
12...Iowa State
I guess I don’t understand your point. You seem to be saying that if the playoffs get expanded than the best teams won’t participate. That seems a logical fallacy. The cream will rise to the top.
Not saying that...just saying that using a basketball format and playing a #1 seed Alabama against the MAC Champ is a waste of time....or an Ohio State against the MAC (OSU has played 25 games against the MAC and has never lost
So you appear to now be saying that broadening the number of participants in the championship will not in anyway harm or disenfranchise “the best teams”. Since that was your argument against it, are you now in favor of it.In football, no matter how you stage it...the same teams will end up near the top,.
So you appear to now be saying that broadening the number of participants in the championship will not in anyway harm or disenfranchise “the best teams”. Since that was your argument against it, are you now in favor of it.
I could go back and quote post directly, but frankly it’s more effort than it’s worth. So, we are in agreement then that it expanded playoff format would not in any way disenfranchise any of the “good teams” but would give more teams access to a meaningful postseason. Kind a hard to find a fault in that, no?Never said that...that's your continuing "trap game"...being cute.....what I said is it is complete waste of time to put teams in the playoff who have no chance to win it...as basketball does.
Never was my argument that it will harm or disenfranchise the best teams...that is your attempt to be cute and put words in my mouth...
I have been consistent in saying that the best should play for a national title.....example.. Ball State, as a Conference Champ last year would be a waste of time matching with Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State....
In football, the regular season is important, much more important than in basketball...every week is playoff...lose a game and you may be out...Alabama-Auburn-LSU...OSU-Michigan-PSU...Texas-Oklahoma, and on....
A top ten team loses on a Saturday and there are tremors felt across the whole warp and woof of the football fabric....every weekend has import and excitement....
Basketball is all about March...there is a difference in the sports.
I could go back and quote post directly, but frankly it’s more effort than it’s worth. So, we are in agreement then that it expanded playoff format would not in any way disenfranchise any of the “good teams” but would give more teams access to a meaningful postseason. Kind a hard to find a fault in that, no?
Apparently you do, because you keep saying only “the best teams” should play for a national championship. So, apparently, you are afraid that some ‘unworthy team’ will play for a national championship. Because there are only two alternatives right? Either “the best teams“ will play for a national championship and your fear is baseless, or another team will win in the playoffs and thus earned the right to compete for a national championship. If you believe the form will happen, then your supposed complaint is baseless. If you believe the latter will happen, then I will respectfully submit that having another team earn their way to the championship qualifies them to compete for it.I don't give a fig about your "disenfranchisement of good teams"...I have posited my thoughts....only the best teams based on their body of work should play for a national championship.
If you are going to tag me use the @ symbol before my handle without spaces, then I will see that you posted.CL 82...I have explained my thinking.....now go away...I find your bleats tiresome.
If you are going to tag me use the @ symbol before my handle without spaces, then I will see that you posted.
Didn’t intend to offend you in the least. It just seemed that your position is logically inconsistent. But here’s the thing, posting on a fan form is a conversation not a monologue. If reading about the logical fallacies in your position is tiresome to you, perhaps it’s not your thing.
Lol, I'm sorry if you feel threatened by someone disagreeing with you, but that's pretty standard fair for a message board.Your thing is not posting your position or thoughts..and it is not a "conversation" with you..it is cutesy game playing....my thoughts are quite coherent, You don't agree with them, so you play your games...
I get it that you want a basketball style tourney, you get it that I think that's not for football...and you get it that I think that the regular season in basketball is not that important and I think that the regular season in football is is. I get it that you think in terms of March Madness...
We have said it all...
No...football isn't basketball....in basketball, if you catch a couple of elite players and have serviceable support...you can be a NC contender....
Not so in football.......
And, in football, with only 12 games in regular season...the regular season is part of the playoff....
And, in the basketball tourney, fully half of the seeds have never, ever, won an NC...seeds 9-16 are just there to cheer Cinderella's but have no chance to win the tournament...and they have not.
We don't whine that seeds #1-3 have won 87% of the tournaments...because we actually think that seeds #9-16 could...despite the history...magical thinking at its best.
AQ's make The Tournament interesting. It would do the same in football. You want to get into the tournament? Earn it. Don't rely on the name recognition. Oh, one more thing: No single conference gets more than 3 teams.I think they should forget AQ's all together....
If you want to expand...go with the best teams...if you have to use a computer rather than a committee, just do it....
Last year...If they had gone with the Massey Composite,,,Dec 19, 2020
1,,,Alabama
2...Clemson
3...Ohio State
4...Notre Dame
5...Cincinnati
6...Texas A&M
7...Oklahoma
8...Georgia
9....BYU
10...Indiana
11...Florida
12...Iowa State
Point noted that 9-16 seeds haven’t won the tourney. But there are four different regions. So if we want to compare to football on a 16 team playoff, it would be akin to 4 seeds in basketball. And four seeds have won.
And I would also note that number one seeds are often knocked out in basketball by lower seeds - sometimes significantly lower.
16 teams is perfect for football. This avoids excluding teams that can actually win it all. Sometimes a team might have a great record in a P5 conference but actually be overrated - let’s use FSU as an example. I forget the year but they were a 3 seed and got embarrassed by 40 points in the opening round. There is no way that you can tell me there werent multiple teams equally deserving that year.
What's your point? Are you trying to say the selection process should guard against a powerhouse from being upset?Yes...a good team can have a bad game or match up in the playoff as FSU did with Oregon...or Ohio State did when they were waxed 31-0 and 49-28 by Clemson, or Alabama when beaten 44-16 in the championship game by Clemson....Alabama blasting the Buckeyes 52-24...or LSU beating Oklahoma 63-28....or Alabama beating Michigan State 38-0....etc.