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the rent was built with expansion in mind which(we all know) is somewhat amazing when you remember all the other decisions we have made facilities wise over the years. anyway i have heard a number of 18 million to go from 40k-50k with just a upper deck 3rd tier across from the press box.

50k however is not enough. we need to be above the average. that # is something like 55k and change. we need to be that. give no one ever the excuse to not play here fans tickets wise. we need to be the biggest college stadium in new england. and brag about it.

-do the 3rd deck for 10k
-add a corner/section to that on each end for 12k
-fill in the scoreboard 2nd deck area 14.5k
-put the band on the field, charge them walk around tix and sell those old band seats. 15k+
-build a new scoreboard on top of the new seats. look at what texas tech is doing for a example.
-do the ribbon boards. thats ok. make the lower bowl besides the student section completely blue seats
-paint the middle and upper deck bleachers blue and give them backs like u see at other stadiums.

rent is 55k+
great scoreboard and features
blue seats, many comfortable seats u can buy. creates a better experience
cost? around 30-40mil all together i would guess

cincy just spent 85mil to get to 40k
stadium name goes up for sale in 2018. big $ is coming
buy the rent for whatever the state needs to come out even

if not then the hell with all of this and we should have a drawing out in the media 2moro about a on campus stadium in 2025. its one or the other but uconn is doing neither. this was a test to see if he really ignored me or was all talk lol.

Would you buy season tix if they expanded? Or would you still have alligator arms and claim that you're protesting? If we cant sell out 40k seats what makes you think spending the $$ to upgrade to 55k plus will solve anything when the seats are empty? You have a perceived solution but no idea how to fix the problem.
 

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Odd that the cincy admin decided to go all-in on the campus stadium. Other than game day atmosphere, convenience for the students, and a general lifting of school community, I wonder why they chose that route, even in spite of the increased price tag? Hmmmm...Must have been talking to the folks at unlv and colorado state, instead of certain other schools.

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I think it is a mistake as it is going to be far more difficult for fans in Fairfield County to get to the games.
 

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Would you buy season tix if they expanded? Or would you still have alligator arms and claim that you're protesting? If we cant sell out 40k seats what makes you think spending the to upgrade to 55k plus will solve anything when the seats are empty? You have a perceived solution but no idea how to fix the problem.


i will buy season tix if any of the following between now and labor day happen
-expand the rent announcement or announce on campus being explored blah blah
-warde signs bcs games
-warde or p and gdl gets fired or falls off a cliff. pushing by one of u counts.
-we come up with a full marketing plan. commercials, smedia and stuff
-we toss out the wolf
-we burn the middle school helmets
-knock down the xl
-expand tailgating and game day features
among other things
 
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This isn't about number of seats or whatever. This is about the perception what have you done lately to improve football since that's the most important sport for expansion. UCONN hasn't done squat to the RENT since 2003 when it opened. It won't hurt us to announce a plan in place for 55K expansion or something even if we don't have the money. It will send a message that we are serious about big time football in CT and we will expand when the time is right. There is nothing worse than sitting still on your a* while your competitors are all doing something to improve their status.


Actually, there are a number of improvements happening to the Rent this year, including the scoreboard. But never let the facts get in the way of a good pitchfork party.
 
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Let me parse this: "The renovation and expansion project, which is estimated to cost $80-85 million in total, will utilize private donations and premium seating revenues to fund the project over a period of years. No University general funds will be allocated."

Someone donates a $10 and they've utilized private donations. The money to fund the building of the stadium comes from a bond. No general funds utilized. A year after opening, premium seating revenues don't come close to funding the bond. Then what?

The wording is interesting. As we saw at Michigan and other places, you raise private money, dump it into AD donation revenues, then the AD pays a small amount of revenues back to the academic side that it can be said to service the bond interest. Meanwhile, who pays for the rest?
 
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The way they usually do the projections is that a certain % revenue raised from additional seating /upgrades annually is ear marked for debt service. That way the expansion pays for itself (after 20 years or so)

Of course, not all schools make realistic projections so they end up falling behind projections - Cal's a good example of that.
 
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A lot of people are focusing on the quantity of seats as opposed to the quality of seats.

Why did *two* NFL teams leave LA? It wasn't because they didn't have enough seats. In fact, they had plenty. The Raiders were in the LA Coliseum with 90,000-plus seats. It was the fact that they didn't have stadiums with enough *luxury* seats.

Same thing with the NBA leaving Seattle. Key Arena is a perfectly serviceable 17,000-seat basketball arena on paper... except that it doesn't have enough luxury seats which makes it untenable in the eyes of NBA owners (whether that's fair or not).

This is also where college sports stadium expansions and renovations are heading. That's why Louisville has been able to show such a massive revenue increase with its new basketball arena and recent renovation of Papa John's Stadium - it's the sale of all of those luxury suites more than anything. That was the focus of TCU's latest stadium renovation, too - overall capacity went up by less than 700 seats, but the new suite revenue is going to generate exponentially more ticket money than what they were getting previously (even beyond their new Big 12 conference revenue). It's also what Tulane and Houston are doing with their new stadiums (that are "right-sized" for on-campus games). Rutgers installed over 1000 new premium seats as part of its football stadium expansion.

So, Cincinnati isn't adding in 5000 seats for the sake of increasing capacity by 5000. These aren't going to be bleacher seats. Instead, most of them are going to be high end suites and box seats that are going to require large donations and leasing fees on top of the price of game day tickets. 1 luxury seat sold could easily be worth the revenue of 10 regular seats sold, so the idea is that those 5000 extra seats are going to be high impact revenue generators (not just to get the capacity number higher, which is tangentially helpful but not the real purpose).

As a result, the Rent likely doesn't need to add tens of thousands of "normal" seats, but adding even just a couple of thousand premium seats can make a big difference to the athletic department's revenue line (which in turn gets you a further look from power conferences in the way that Louisville's revenue jumped out at them). Sheer attendance is nice for press releases, but there is increasingly more focus on getting more out of a smaller and more moneyed pool of supporters via luxury suites as opposed to attempting to pack as many people into a stadium as possible.
 

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We have beautiful sky boxes already... and they are empty.
 

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The Rent was built ten years ago and therefore has some premium seating - if memory serves, that's just under 40 luxury suites and some number of "club" seats.
 
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We have beautiful sky boxes already... and they are empty.

Well, then that's an issue that needs to be rectified. This is where Louisville, in particular, is making an absolute killing in terms of revenue.
 
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Woomba, it doesn't work anywhere, doesn't work at Michigan, doesn't work at Texas, doesn't work at Rutgers as we saw just recently. It simply doesn't work. They should just say they are spending tens of millions for football renovations and be done with it. UConndoes the same thing: press releases come out highlighting that the AD is self-sufficient and that no general funds are used--then you look at the budget, and it's just not true.
 

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We should definitely roll out the expansion plans so at least the media knows they exist.

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What do you mean by it doesn't work? Michigan and Texas both run AD department surpluses after debt service - you're probably right about Rutgers but there are successes out there.
 

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We should definitely roll out the expansion plans so at least the media knows they exist.

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But this the problem with a state owned facility. We, as fans (and tax payers) need to put pressure on the AD to put pressure on the state AND put pressure on the state to make this happen. That's a lot of pressure.
 

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They added 5k seats? I don't care what tupes of seats they are, this doesn't mean a thing besides making everyone here find anoyher thing to complain about. Win games and the rest will play out. Let's be honest, Cincy is going Big 12 or no where. They're not a major thrwat to us other than possibly reaching greener pastures earlier than us if yhe Big 12 expands. Seeing that us to the Big 12 is as far fetched as Cincy to the B1G I'm not losing sleep over this.

Uconn needs to sell their luxary suits that they currently have. Like it was stated earlier, that's what will get more revenue. Not adding another few thousand bleacher seats.

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What do you mean by it doesn't work? Michigan and Texas both run AD department surpluses after debt service - you're probably right about Rutgers but there are successes out there.

I've been over this a thousand times before on this board, with links. The basic is this: the stadium expansions were funded by the academic side. Both schools are hundreds of millions in debt because of big sports facilities (for Michigan, including hockey). When you put that debt into the equation, there is no surplus.
 
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Ah - you mean the fact that the university is one of the bondholders that paid for the expansion.

You're not wrong in that university funds are going towards the expansion plans since they are a bondholder - but both departments are paying back the bond annually with interest so it's more accurate to view them as an investor than just giving the money to the AD.

Heck, Michigan earmarks $10M annually to payoff the Big House expansion and $6M of that is in interest payments.

If either department starts depending on school subsidies to balance the budget then you have an argument that the school basically gave them money - however both programs have pulled in a surplus for at least the past few decades, possibly longer.
 
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Ah - you mean the fact that the university is one of the bondholders that paid for the expansion.

You're not wrong in that university funds are going towards the expansion plans since they are a bondholder - but both departments are paying back the bond annually with interest so it's more accurate to view them as an investor than just giving the money to the AD.

Heck, Michigan earmarks $10M annually to payoff the Big House expansion and $6M of that is in interest payments

I checked the UM AD budget a few months ago. It's $2m in payments back for the loans, not $10m.
At Texas it's $0.

Read this article: http://admin.collegepublisher.com/preview/2.3382/2.4490/1.2140563?firstComment=20#forum

The writer Hillis doesn't get into the nitty-gritty in the article, but read his replies in the comments.
 
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Ah - you mean the fact that the university is one of the bondholders that paid for the expansion.

You're not wrong in that university funds are going towards the expansion plans since they are a bondholder - but both departments are paying back the bond annually with interest so it's more accurate to view them as an investor than just giving the money to the AD.

Heck, Michigan earmarks $10M annually to payoff the Big House expansion and $6M of that is in interest payments.

If either department starts depending on school subsidies to balance the budget then you have an argument that the school basically gave them money - however both programs have pulled in a surplus for at least the past few decades, possibly longer.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2013/06/25/michigan-athletics-budget-news/
 

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Nobody, is saying this is the end all be all, but as Frank The tank has said repeatedly on here, other schools are gunning for what we perceive is our spot to lose should a conference expand.

I've never been one to say if we expanded the rent we would've been chosen already, in fact I was against expanding the rent until it was needed.

However, Houston, Cinci, UNLV, and hell even Temple are building new stadiums, and or making plans to invest in facilities.

Even if UConn were to come out with a blue print or some cool graphics i would feel better about things.

Just the way things are now, I feel like the school is fine with the status quo and that in turn has damaged enthusiasm from the fan base.

I'm not about to get all HFD, but would it kill UConn to commission someone to put together a rendering of 55k Rent with the new score board and UConn blue draping over the concrete gray at the rent?

Imagine Cinci today releases plans to upgrade to 40k and then we can reveal our plans to go to 50k? College football is all public opinion and right now we are absolutely being crushed.
 
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Here - from last year, scroll to the bottom.

FY-2012 http://www.regents.umich.edu/meetings/06-11/2011-06-X-13.pdf

For the upcoming year, slide 6

FY-2013 http://annarborchronicle.com/wp-con...FY2013-Budget-Presentation-6-21-final-v.2.pdf

Maybe you're right about UT, I'm more knowledgeable about Michigan's side.

The very first page of the budget link you gave me stated this:


Budgeted debt service has increased $2.2 million because of debt incurred for the Stadium and Crisler Arena projects.




The Texas article is interesting only because the writer breaks down how some of the sausage is made not only in terms of debt but also in terms of how universities count donations and royalties.
 
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