CD Post-game

[UcMiami]

Absolutely. Maybe I've got my blue specs on, but when they called KML for the foul and went to the monitor, I was hoping they would see the defender dropped to the floor without contact. I honestly thought they were going to wave off the foul. It was a great acting job, and not the only one.

I thought them looking at the replay sort of changed the foul calls in the second half once they saw they had been totally taken in by a flop. Don't remember any flops from the second half.

 

[Blue Huskie]

I agree there is a problem, but disagree about a penalty. It is human instinct to avoid getting hit in the face or getting your jaw broken. In the end you must flop to avoid it. On the other hand the offensive player needs to move the hands and the ball to avoid a steal or tie up. So, it is not that simple. Perhaps a rule that says there can't be any lower body contact in those situations? No easy solution, IMO.

Recoiling to create space would be the way most of us would avoid getting hit by an impending elbow, but to say "In the end you must flop to avoid it" is not at all accurate.
IMO

 

[housekeys]

Recoiling to create space would be the way most of us would avoid getting hit by an impending elbow, but to say "In the end you must flop to avoid it" is not at all accurate.
IMO

I agree with you. If there is an agreed upon definition of "flop" and a consistently good way of officials to spot it, a penalty is called for. From what I have seen with officials, however, I would hesitate to give them another rule by which they can influence the game.

 

[Scotter]

[quote="UConnCat, post: 816094, member: 15

• [ Didn't get the ball down low enough. Need to work on that, get better angles and make better decisions.[/quote]

Not surprised by that. The team wasn't good as a whole at post entry passing last season and they graduated the two best entry passers on the team.

 

[arty155]

Dee reffed the Temple game. I personally boo'd her twice during that game...

She calmly puts us in our place…

…..when play gets too rough in OUR pack.

But first, and loudest, in THEIR face…

…..outsiders learn, she’s got our back.

 

[Tonyc]

When KML got called for a foul with both arms up and moving them to avoid having the ball stolen one of two things should've happened. A time out should've been called and 2 she needs space to move. When standing straight up and moving your arms to avoid having the ball from being stolen should be allowed. Any intentional elbow throwing should be a foul. Tuff call.

 

[Icebear]

Tony, there is no rule requiring the defense to give her space. She is only entitled to verticality, the space above her and to not be fouled by hacking. She is not entitled to space to pivot or anything else. Her option to avoid losing the ball is calling timeout.

 

[meyers7]

True , but baling hay is a tremendous workout!

Nothing readily came to mind re: corn except detasseling, which is an exhausting grind but not an intense workout like hay baling. Plus most people don't know what it is

Did it for years in my youth. Also rogueing.

 

[HGN]

Yeah I was wondering about that. How many points in the paint did our front line have in the first half?

I was screaming at the tv to get the ball down low in the paint to Dolson all night long. We never attacked them in the paint with our size down low. I agree with CD, thats something they will have to work on.

 

[ThisJustIn]

The tape review could have shown the refs something hard for them to see at regular speed - I thought it was a classic elbow swing clock when I first saw it... but, i do believe they CANNOT wave off the foul via video. They can only NOT call a flagrant 1/2. But, they can "learn" from what they see....

 

[ChicagoGG]

Did it for years in my youth. Also rogueing.

Rogueing?? Sorry, from the Midwest but a city kid....

 

[meyers7]

Rogueing?? Sorry, from the Midwest but a city kid....

To weed out or cull diseased or defective individuals from a crop field .

Basically we went through fields and cut out either too tall or too short stalks and any volunteer corn. Everything had to be uniform for the seed/feed corn. (i.e. not the corn you eat)

 

[Sonny44]

I agree there is a problem, but disagree about a penalty. It is human instinct to avoid getting hit in the face or getting your jaw broken. In the end you must flop to avoid it. On the other hand the offensive player needs to move the hands and the ball to avoid a steal or tie up. So, it is not that simple. Perhaps a rule that says there can't be any lower body contact in those situations? No easy solution, IMO.

Agree. You're never going to see flopping fouls. It's hard to judge mental intent. I'd be satisfied if the refs could just get the calls right. Banks' 3pt foul on OS was barely a touch followed by the flop, had no affect on the shot at all. Unfortunately, it cost BB a chance to participate as Geno pulled her for the night.

 

[Phil]

The tape review could have shown the refs something hard for them to see at regular speed - I thought it was a classic elbow swing clock when I first saw it... but, i do believe they CANNOT wave off the foul via video. They can only NOT call a flagrant 1/2. But, they can "learn" from what they see....

That's interesting if true. I am fairly sure that can use the monitor to identify the player - not relevant in this case, but I've seen situations where they identified the wrong player, and changed it after review. Interesting if they are unable to overturn a foul call, but understandable - if they could, they'd be yelled at to review the monitor on half their calls.

 

[Icebear]

They cannot wave off the foul. They can check to distribute it properly and they can check for flagrancy.

 

[cloudcastle]

Absolutely. Maybe I've got my blue specs on, but when they called KML for the foul and went to the monitor, I was hoping they would see the defender dropped to the floor without contact. I honestly thought they were going to wave off the foul. It was a great acting job, and not the only one.

Robertson threw her head back as she started to fall, as if there had been contact with her head, but it was only her arms that KML made contact with. It looked to me like acting and not a reflex to avoid being hit, although that is a nicer interpretation.

 

[huskybill]

Dee reffed the Temple game. I personally boo'd her twice during that game and even ThisJustIn made a couple pointed comments on the quality of calls.

Big deal, Nan. You didn't even say hello to me when you walked to your seat. Still I hope Dee reads the Boneyard so she can find out who boo'd her at the Temple game.

 

[huskybill]

Tony, there is no rule requiring the defense to give her space. She is only entitled to verticality, the space above her and to not be fouled by hacking. She is not entitled to space to pivot or anything else. Her option to avoid losing the ball is calling timeout.

I don't think UConn players are allowed to call time out.

 

[huskybill]

I was screaming at the tv to get the ball down low in the paint to Dolson all night long. We never attacked them in the paint with our size down low. I agree with CD, thats something they will have to work on.

Your TV must not be a good passer.

 

[jsloanjr]

How does the UCONN post let a 5'11" Baylor player grab 17 rebounds?........Poor awareness and Poor boxing out by the BIGS.....Stef should grab 12 to 15 rebounds a game minimum........

 

[BooRadley]

Did it for years in my youth. Also rogueing.

Ah yes... known outside of Iowa as flashlights and National Geographics...

YOPB

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

They cannot wave off the foul. They can check to distribute it properly and they can check for flagrancy.

Although the NCAA's write-up was unclear, an article on ESPN indicated that, for the elbow rule, the "foul can be rescinded". The NCAA's write-up says that they have a choice of Flagrant 1, Flagrant 2, Common Foul, or no foul, unless no foul was called during the play, in which case a common foul cannot be assessed.

In the play referenced, the common foul would have been for swinging elbows above the shoulder; the lack of any contact or obvious intent would preclude any flagrant foul.

As an aside, I watched the game and did not think the ref's were all that bad. And yes, Baylor flops, but so do some other teams that I have seen on TV and in person over the years. In fact, I have seen a team practicing flops in the pre-game warmups.

 

[Phil]

Your TV must not be a good passer.

Or at least not a good listener. I known my TV doesn't seem to listen to me (which I think is an act).

 

[meyers7]

Or at least not a good listener. I known my TV doesn't seem to listen to me (which I think is an act).

You need one of those "smart" TVs.

 

[phil sampieri]

How does the UCONN post let a 5'11" Baylor player grab 17 rebounds?...Poor awareness and Poor boxing out by the BIGS.....Stef should grab 12 to 15 rebounds a game minimum...

yes, the bigs were often not in position to box out as they constantly came out of rebounding position to help on penetration

 

[pinotbear]

How does the UCONN post let a 5'11" Baylor player grab 17 rebounds?...Poor awareness and Poor boxing out by the BIGS.....Stef should grab 12 to 15 rebounds a game minimum...

right

 

[HuskyPup]

How does the UCONN post let a 5'11" Baylor player grab 17 rebounds?...Poor awareness and Poor boxing out by the BIGS.....Stef should grab 12 to 15 rebounds a game minimum...

The answer is simple.....Geno needs to give Kiah some of those minutes. I honestly think Geno had a flashback of the ND game where he pulled Kiah in the final moments of the FF her freshman year only to give up an offensive rebound to ND. I think that's why he went to alternating Kiah and KML in the final moments of the game. Kiah appears to WANT to rebound and play defense which is of course vital in the waning moments of close games. I think she even blocked a 3 pointer taken from the corner last night. UConn is a beast because of the sum of its parts! I love this team!

 

[Icebear]

Thanks, Knight, I remembered it backwards. I can't believe they didn't take away the foul given that is how the rule is set up.

 

[ThisJustIn]

Although the NCAA's write-up was unclear, an article on ESPN indicated that, for the elbow rule, the "foul can be rescinded". The NCAA's write-up says that they have a choice of Flagrant 1, Flagrant 2, Common Foul, or no foul, unless no foul was called during the play, in which case a common foul cannot be assessed.
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Does it resemble the NCAA football targeting/ejection flag-review, then? I can't recall if a foul has to be called and THEN a review for flagrant...

 

[MilfordHusky]

Robertson threw her head back as she started to fall, as if there had been contact with her head, but it was only her arms that KML made contact with. It looked to me like acting and not a reflex to avoid being hit, although that is a nicer interpretation.

In the replay, it was easy to see that Robertson's arms were NOT vertical. The contact was largely because she had her arms at about 30 degrees. When looking closely, I see no foul on Kaleena. It was one of many cases of acting combined with bad officiating.