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So many goodies in the non-admissible evidence pile. We all wondered about Tremont to LSU, and Wil Wade getting mentioned didn't surprise me in the slightest.
 
Will Wade caught saying he'd have the funds. Even hd to shut his office door!!!
 
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I have a better feeling about winning mega millions than I do about any big coach even getting a slap on the wrist.
 
huskymedic said:
Just remember - Emmert is a puppet of the universities.
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Who was the kid last year duke got to reclassify and then commit immediately? This Williamson thing seems similar if not worse
 
intlzncster said:
Crazy. Self really in the cross hairs now:

Attorney: Adidas OK'd payment at Self's request
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James Gatto, told the jury that Gatto approved a $20,0000 payment to Fenny Falmagne, the guardian of current Kansas player Silvio De Sousa, only after Self and Kansas assistant Kurtis Townsend requested the payment through former Adidas consultant T.J. Gassnola.

"The evidence, I submit, shows that Kansas' head coach knew of and asked for a payment to be made to Silvio De Sousa's handler," Schachter told the jury. "More than that, Coach Self requested just the kind of help that Mr. Gassnola arranged as a condition for Coach Self to permit Adidas to continue their sponsorship agreement with the University of Kansas."

Wow
 
If the ncaa and the media did their jobs they would’ve realized this stuff with Kansas years ago. Every year they have a player/players who are not eligible or miss most of the season and nothing comes from it
 
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intlzncster said:
NCAA cross hairs. Not FBI.
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I don't know how the NCAA is going to handle this much. Where do they start? My thinking is they must first wait until the FBI case is closed which could take maybe another year or longer if there are appeals. By then Zion Williamson will be in the NBA and Duke will be (choke) hanging another set of banners from the rafters. But then the real dilemma is how the NCAA handles the number of high end schools implicated in the case. Arizona, Kansas, NC St, Duke, Lousiville, Maryland, Mich St, UWash etc? Do they take them on all at once and hand down penalties to half of the NCAA top 25 or do they investigate them sequentially? If the latter who do they start with?
 
I think the NCAA should send a preemptive letter to all the schools mentioned/involved in the FBI case, stating that if a school plays any player in 2018-2019 that is subsequently determined to have received inappropriate benefits, the minimum penalty will be vacating all wins and disgorgement of any NCAA Tournament monies. The letter should also state that additional penalties such as loss of scholarships and NCAA tournament bans, and show cause orders re coaches, will depend on the level of diligence exhibited by each school to uncover such behavior on a case by case basis, and whether/how coaches were involved, and at what level of coach. My hope would be that all the schools 'put on notice' by the FBI investigation would fear their pocketbook injury and take actions and investigate faster than the NCAA can get around to it. There should also be a significant minimum penalty if it is determined that the coaching staff tried to arrange offers, even if unsuccessfully. The NCAA should evaluate the level of diligence of the schools investigation, and any self imposed penalties which should relate to number of scholarships and off campus recruiting restrictions, in addition to any termination of employment. At least this is something the NCAA could do now, for this season while some of these players are still at the schools, and in advance of these trials.
 
Ricker said:
I think the NCAA should send a preemptive letter to all the schools mentioned/involved in the FBI case, stating that if a school plays any player in 2018-2019 that is subsequently determined to have received inappropriate benefits, the minimum penalty will be vacating all wins and disgorgement of any NCAA Tournament monies. The letter should also state that additional penalties such as loss of scholarships and NCAA tournament bans, and show cause orders re coaches, will depend on the level of diligence exhibited by each school to uncover such behavior on a case by case basis, and whether/how coaches were involved, and at what level of coach. My hope would be that all the schools 'put on notice' by the FBI investigation would fear their pocketbook injury and take actions and investigate faster than the NCAA can get around to it. There should also be a significant minimum penalty if it is determined that the coaching staff tried to arrange offers, even if unsuccessfully. The NCAA should evaluate the level of diligence of the schools investigation, and any self imposed penalties which should relate to number of scholarships and off campus recruiting restrictions, in addition to any termination of employment. At least this is something the NCAA could do now, for this season while some of these players are still at the schools, and in advance of these trials.
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Can we add lifetime bans for the coaching staff?
 
Edward Sargent said:
I don't know how the NCAA is going to handle this much. Where do they start? My thinking is they must first wait until the FBI case is closed which could take maybe another year or longer if there are appeals. By then Zion Williamson will be in the NBA and Duke will be (choke) hanging another set of banners from the rafters. But then the real dilemma is how the NCAA handles the number of high end schools implicated in the case. Arizona, Kansas, NC St, Duke, Lousiville, Maryland, Mich St, UWash etc? Do they take them on all at once and hand down penalties to half of the NCAA top 25 or do they investigate them sequentially? If the latter who do they start with?
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While they don't HAVE to necessarily, they absolutely will. The FBI formally requested they do so, because they don't want the NCAA screwing up their case.
 
Ricker said:
I think the NCAA should send a preemptive letter to all the schools mentioned/involved in the FBI case, stating that if a school plays any player in 2018-2019 that is subsequently determined to have received inappropriate benefits, the minimum penalty will be vacating all wins and disgorgement of any NCAA Tournament monies. The letter should also state that additional penalties such as loss of scholarships and NCAA tournament bans, and show cause orders re coaches, will depend on the level of diligence exhibited by each school to uncover such behavior on a case by case basis, and whether/how coaches were involved, and at what level of coach. My hope would be that all the schools 'put on notice' by the FBI investigation would fear their pocketbook injury and take actions and investigate faster than the NCAA can get around to it. There should also be a significant minimum penalty if it is determined that the coaching staff tried to arrange offers, even if unsuccessfully. The NCAA should evaluate the level of diligence of the schools investigation, and any self imposed penalties which should relate to number of scholarships and off campus recruiting restrictions, in addition to any termination of employment. At least this is something the NCAA could do now, for this season while some of these players are still at the schools, and in advance of these trials.
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While I like the idea in principle, it's not really fair to some of the players involve. A number of these testimonies are just guys talking to each other. Could be complete BS on their part to force somebodies' hand. We'd need more imo. Otherwise, you might be banning a kid who had nothing to do with this whole thing. jmo tho
 
the Q said:
Can we add lifetime bans for the coaching staff?
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Only if unreported information is later discovered by the NCAA. Come clean and take your institutional punishment. If you don't and the NCAA finds out, you're done for life.

intlzncster said:
While I like the idea in principle, it's not really fair to some of the players involve. A number of these testimonies are just guys talking to each other. Could be complete BS on their part to force somebodies' hand. We'd need more imo. Otherwise, you might be banning a kid who had nothing to do with this whole thing. jmo tho
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Why? Don't sanction the kids, sanction the schools and allow kids to move without sitting out.
 
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>>If federal prosecutors really want to clean up the muck in college basketball, then they should do it right and bring a racketeering case against a major university. One that sweeps up the entire operation: the big-donor trustee, the head coach, the athletic director, the college president and any others who are complicit in a corrupt enterprise. But if the feds don’t care to target those white collars for their fraudulent behavior, then they shouldn’t be bringing cases at all.

That kind of prosecution would have real impact. Think about it: The next time a high-dollar donor uses his influence to hijack a university and run it like a mafia town, when cash is laundry-funneled to blue-chip recruits in order to grab at prestige and a bigger share of $1 billion in NCAA tournament revenue, slap a RICO case on him. And on the chancellor and coach who tolerate academic frauds, and the athletic director who makes the back-scratching, multimillion-dollar financial deal with a sneaker company. That would fix the NCAA with one fell swoop of indictments.<<
 
huskymedic said:

>>If federal prosecutors really want to clean up the muck in college basketball, then they should do it right and bring a racketeering case against a major university. One that sweeps up the entire operation: the big-donor trustee, the head coach, the athletic director, the college president and any others who are complicit in a corrupt enterprise. But if the feds don’t care to target those white collars for their fraudulent behavior, then they shouldn’t be bringing cases at all.

That kind of prosecution would have real impact. Think about it: The next time a high-dollar donor uses his influence to hijack a university and run it like a mafia town, when cash is laundry-funneled to blue-chip recruits in order to grab at prestige and a bigger share of $1 billion in NCAA tournament revenue, slap a RICO case on him. And on the chancellor and coach who tolerate academic frauds, and the athletic director who makes the back-scratching, multimillion-dollar financial deal with a sneaker company. That would fix the NCAA with one fell swoop of indictments.<<
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I wish I could like this more than once. It will never happen but, this is the way to rip the corruption out by the roots.
 
Ricker said:
I think the NCAA should send a preemptive letter to all the schools mentioned/involved in the FBI case, stating that if a school plays any player in 2018-2019 that is subsequently determined to have received inappropriate benefits, the minimum penalty will be vacating all wins and disgorgement of any NCAA Tournament monies. The letter should also state that additional penalties such as loss of scholarships and NCAA tournament bans, and show cause orders re coaches, will depend on the level of diligence exhibited by each school to uncover such behavior on a case by case basis, and whether/how coaches were involved, and at what level of coach. My hope would be that all the schools 'put on notice' by the FBI investigation would fear their pocketbook injury and take actions and investigate faster than the NCAA can get around to it. There should also be a significant minimum penalty if it is determined that the coaching staff tried to arrange offers, even if unsuccessfully. The NCAA should evaluate the level of diligence of the schools investigation, and any self imposed penalties which should relate to number of scholarships and off campus recruiting restrictions, in addition to any termination of employment. At least this is something the NCAA could do now, for this season while some of these players are still at the schools, and in advance of these trials.
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What do you do about UWash and Markelle Fultz?
 
huskymedic said:

>>If federal prosecutors really want to clean up the muck in college basketball, then they should do it right and bring a racketeering case against a major university. One that sweeps up the entire operation: the big-donor trustee, the head coach, the athletic director, the college president and any others who are complicit in a corrupt enterprise. But if the feds don’t care to target those white collars for their fraudulent behavior, then they shouldn’t be bringing cases at all.

That kind of prosecution would have real impact. Think about it: The next time a high-dollar donor uses his influence to hijack a university and run it like a mafia town, when cash is laundry-funneled to blue-chip recruits in order to grab at prestige and a bigger share of $1 billion in NCAA tournament revenue, slap a RICO case on him. And on the chancellor and coach who tolerate academic frauds, and the athletic director who makes the back-scratching, multimillion-dollar financial deal with a sneaker company. That would fix the NCAA with one fell swoop of indictments.<<
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I like the innuendo of the Power 5 conference being the Five Families of Cosa Famiglia Sportive
 
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