CBB Trial

[andy34]

Will never not amaze me how these players are treated at every step of the system - formally and informally - as commodities, but the NCAA insists that they are amateurs and cannot be paid.

 

[huskymedic]

Sounds like @Fishy re: Tulsa and ECU... hmmmm

 

[JMick]

These are the kinds of comments that should lead the NCAA to punish schools and coaches that paid players. It's rigged against smaller schools and now it's all out in the open

 

[huskiesouth]

Judge mulling whether to allow Louisville escort scandal in college hoops corruption trial

>>You know a college basketball fraud trial is going well when, in trying to hash out what is and isn’t going to be admissible evidence, a federal judge states the following sentence in open court.

“So the rent-a-cops were in the dorm when the hookers were brought in …”<<

So, big deal, no money was paid to the recruits who received only a non-monetary benefit, the local economy (sex workers, security company) received a boost, where's the harm?

 

[huskymedic]

 

[intlzncster]

Brian Bowen Sr. may testify Thursday, what he says could rock college basketball


If people are shocked by now they really haven't been paying attention lately, never mind for the past few decades.

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Brian Bowen Sr. may testify Thursday, what he says could rock college basketball


If people are shocked by now they really haven't been paying attention lately, never mind for the past few decades.

Based off everything we know so far, I’m guessing this will implicate Miami and Arizona hard. Let’s start reaching out to Nico Mannion and Brandon Williams...

 

[intlzncster]

Based off everything we know so far, I’m guessing this will implicate Miami and Arizona hard. Let’s start reaching out to Nico Mannion and Brandon Williams...

If so, hope it happens before AZ lands Green....so UNC doesn't then go hard after Precious.

 

[JeepCSC]

Will never not amaze me how these players are treated at every step of the system - formally and informally - as commodities, but the NCAA insists that they are amateurs and cannot be paid.

I see no discrepancy. The cars don’t get the payment when they are bought, the dealership does. They are treated as commodities by all involved, including by the NCAA.

 

[uconndoit]

 

[Ha Who]

The question for me is, are any of these schools even going to get punished? Or will the NCAA simply sweep under the rug and say there was too much corruption to individually punish. "We've rooted it out now". Which is BS.

The school in Storrs will be punished for having NBA stars speak with recruits.

 

[GemParty]

Never shoot hoops with a guy visiting your campus!

 

[huskymedic]

'How do these guys keep their jobs?' Major NCAA programs prepare for federal corruption trial fallout

>>“The other shoe is dropping, and it’s dropping hard,” said Notre Dame coach Mike Brey. “It’s amazingly captivating, and I have a feeling it’s going to be a lot worse before it gets better. This is really a crossroads.”

The intriguing part of the sport’s dirty laundry being hung across social media is that it’s actually part of the plan for defense attorneys in the case. To prove the innocence of two men affiliated with Adidas (Jim Gatto and Merl Code)a runner (Christian Dawkins), the lawyers are demonstrating in detail the pervasive nature of transactions that violate NCAA rules — but may not violate the law. Stephen L. Hill, a partner at Dentons in Kansas City who prosecuted the Myron Piggie case a generation ago, summed up the strategy this way: “We admit to everything. We’re going to burn down the house completely and you can’t convict us for burning the house down. It was a bad house to start with.”<<

>>It remains unclear what evidence the NCAA would be able to import from this trial, and the process of determining that could be arduous. The NCAA membership has long called for faster investigations, but legal challenges to importation would snarl a process meant to expedite the disposition of cases. These are all challenges that the NCAA — and perhaps more acutely, its member schools — must reconcile quickly. A new season draws nigh, and the damage done to the credibility of college basketball by another year of university inaction in response to scandal would be immense.

“There better be some ineligible players this year,” Brey said. “Some guys better not be playing. It’s on NCAA enforcement to get moving.”<<

 

[BlueMAB]

Brian Bowen Sr. may testify Thursday, what he says could rock college basketball


If people are shocked by now they really haven't been paying attention lately, never mind for the past few decades.

This is why I think our posters/fans should tread lightly when mocking other schools for violations/paying players. Besides the fact we haven't been a completely clean program, there's virtually no way to compete at the level we have, without having some skeletons in the closet. I have no first-hand knowledge, but if our fans think our only transgressions are what we've been punished for, I think that's pretty naive.

Just hoping we come out the other side of this clean.

 

[intlzncster]

This is why I think our posters/fans should tread lightly when mocking other schools for violations/paying players. Besides the fact we haven't been a completely clean program, there's virtually no way to compete at the level we have, without having some skeletons in the closet. I have no first-hand knowledge, but if our fans think our only transgressions are what we've been punished for, I think that's pretty naive.

Just hoping we come out the other side of this clean.

Yup. I will only mock instances like UNCs and Louisville's, as they were so far beyond the pale. If we had a situation like UNCs, we are the biggest losers ever, as we still managed to get APRed in the butt.

 

[BlueMAB]

Yup. I will only mock instances like UNCs and Louisville's, as they were so far beyond the pale. If we had a situation like UNCs, we are the biggest losers ever, as we still managed to get APRed in the butt.

100% agree, but comments like "L$U" or "NC $tate" are stupid. I'd bet my left nut we found a way to get a family some benefit$.

 

[J187Money]

Uh, what about the claims they appropriated those cash payments to bogus expenses accounting wise? Isn't that laundering, wire-fraud, or something like that?

Not from an accounting perspective. If they recorded bribes under pest control, it still goes to opex and the financials are right. That's the issue here - what they did might not be crimes, even if NCAA violations.

 

[intlzncster]

Not from an accounting perspective. If they recorded bribes under pest control, it still goes to opex and the financials are right. That's the issue here - what they did might not be crimes, even if NCAA violations.

But if it's recorded as an expense? And hence a write-off? Is that not tax dodging? Idk as I don't have much experience in this.

 

[J187Money]

But if it's recorded as an expense? And hence a write-off? Is that not tax dodging? Idk as I don't have much experience in this.

It is an expense. It might not be deductible - but that is a tax return issue, not a financial statement issue. So it might come up in a tax audit situation, but let's go crazy and say there are $5M a year of such non-deductible payments and the tax returns were filed incorrectly. a) that's not a significant issue on a company the size of Adidas, b) the IRS will just disallow the deduction and they will have to pay the tax, c) it isn't really "fraud" unless they end up lying to the IRS about it during an audit process.

 

[andy34]

I see no discrepancy. The cars don’t get the payment when they are bought, the dealership does. They are treated as commodities by all involved, including by the NCAA.

But they're not commodities, they're workers who just aren't, yanno, paid for their work.

 

[intlzncster]

But they're not commodities, they're workers who just aren't, yanno, paid for their work.

Except for that pesky 200k scholarship. 250k if they go 5 years. Plus, if we're being honest, all the birds and post college connections you could ever want.

Not saying everything is equitable for major sports, but don't pretend like they get nothing out of the deal. Nearly 100% of dudes would be D1 athletes if they could, so it's obviously a huge benefit.

 

[Stainmaster]

 

[intlzncster]

Want Arizona in the crosshairs bad.

Damn, how about Creighton tho, huh? That's how you play with the big boys.

 

[JMick]

Oh wow I guess it really is everybody lol

 

[Stainmaster]

Want Arizona in the crosshairs bad.

Damn, how about Creighton tho, huh? That's how you play with the big boys.

This is what happens when your kid graduates and his natural ability was the only thing that could make you successful.