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Oh, spare me. You act like it’s impossible for Hurley to make mistakes - as though he’s the great one and that he’s not to be questioned. That’s a lot of respect you’re giving to someone who hasn’t made the second weekend of the tournament.

Josh Carlton played very little last season. In some games, he didn’t play at all. That was clearly a mistake given his obvious talent (which he’s demonstrating this year). Remember, Hurley also refused to play Whaley for about a year and a half, until his hand was somewhat forced with the Akok injury. He’s had some misses in identifying talent — it doesn’t make him a bad coach, but it’s fair to question this.
Alternatively, you could give Hurley credit for developing Whaley and getting more out of a player of his caliber than we had any business getting.

On Carlton, the top-level story is it's a win-win for both parties. Sanogo is a much better fit for Hurley's team (and was in fact 1st team All-BE despite his disappointing end to the season), and Carlton succeeded elsewhere. Good use of the portal all around.
 
We certainlly could have used him early when our bigs were injured or against teams like Creighton. But you can’t predict that going forward.
Except I absolutely did predict it. I said a guy gets hurt another gets in early foul trouble and the depth is gone.

What's really crazy is we kept Richie Springs and let Carlton exit the program like he was on SpaceX. Josh would have also helped us big time against Providence at the XL.

Josh isn't a perfect player. He lacks explosion. But he is a brainy player who always hustles who was under estimated here. In any case, he is a classy young man and didn't deserve any of the nonsense thrown his way on the boneyard.
 
Ok, I'll bite. Playing Carlton would've meant you have to bench your ascending Sophomore that made the All-Big East 1st team this year and was a finalist for the award for top center in the country. I like Josh and am rooting for Houston to go all the way in this tournament, but it would've probably meant you lose Sanogo and/or Whaley doesn't come back this year. If you're OK with that, then by all means bash Hurley, but it just seems like a bizarre argument to make.

Gotta agree here. He needed to go--it was best for him and UCMBB. Sanogo is a substantially better player, and Whaley still plays best as a 5. We just had one too many centers on the roster.
 
Except I absolutely did predict it. I said a guy gets hurt another gets in early foul trouble and the depth is gone.

What's really crazy is we kept Richie Springs and let Carlton exit the program like he was on SpaceX. Josh would have also helped us big time against Providence at the XL.

Josh isn't a perfect player. He lacks explosion. But he is a brainy player who always hustles who was under estimated here. In any case, he is a classy young man and didn't deserve any of the nonsense thrown his way on the boneyard.
Your logic here is incredibly flawed. It was not a choice between Carlton and Richie Springs. It was a choice between Carlton and Sanogo. Carlton clearly did not want to be a bench player/insurance policy, which I totally understand, and found a better situation for himself.
 
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Except I absolutely did predict it. I said a guy gets hurt another gets in early foul trouble and the depth is gone.

What's really crazy is we kept Richie Springs and let Carlton exit the program like he was on SpaceX. Josh would have also helped us big time against Providence at the XL.

Josh isn't a perfect player. He lacks explosion. But he is a brainy player who always hustles who was under estimated here. In any case, he is a classy young man and didn't deserve any of the nonsense thrown his way on the boneyard.
We may have won a couple more games this year with Josh, but he would have been doing himself a huge disservice by staying. People before me have already adequately explained why.
 
Why does almost every topic turn negative! Congrats to Josh,
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The vast, vast majority on the board is genuinely happy that Josh is doing well and isn’t looking to victory lap on it. Disregard the few outliers that feel the need to stir the pot.

#alwaysahusky
 
Alternatively, you could give Hurley credit for developing Whaley and getting more out of a player of his caliber than we had any business getting.

On Carlton, the top-level story is it's a win-win for both parties. Sanogo is a much better fit for Hurley's team (and was in fact 1st team All-BE despite his disappointing end to the season), and Carlton succeeded elsewhere. Good use of the portal all around.
I don't disagree about his development of Whaley. But IMO Hurley was still slow to recognize this improvement -- Whaley went from barely playing mid-season his Junior year, to getting consistent double-doubles over the last several games (after Akok went out).

On Carlton, the transfer was a win-win for both parties - completely agree. He was going to transfer either way, given that Sanogo was going to be our starting center and the two of them really couldn't play side-by-side. BUT, that doesn't excuse the way Hurley used him last season. Carlton played 4 minutes (!!) in the Big East Semi-Final loss to Creighton and only 2 minutes (!!) against Maryland in our first round loss (and for the record, Sanogo only played 16 minutes that game - so it's not like he was playing the other 38). Carlton played 28 minutes last night in a Sweet 16 game, going for 10 and 7 in a win over a #1 seed. He's now in the Elite 8. Even you have to agree that Carlton should've been used better last season -- it's unfortunate he barely saw the court in our last two losses that year.
 
Your logic here is incredibly flawed. It was not a choice between Carlton and Richie Springs. It was a choice between Carlton and Sanogo. Carlton clearly did not want to be a bench player/insurance policy, which I totally understand, and found a better situation for himself.
Totally agree. Dan Hurley was committed to AS as starter at the 5.. IW was invaluable in his role at the 4/5.. Wasn't an option to encourage JC to stay based on minutes. UConn won--JC won.. Worked out for both parties.

Who knows-Maybe JC gets to hoist the trophy sometime soon. Good for him.
 
Alternatively, you could give Hurley credit for developing Whaley and getting more out of a player of his caliber than we had any business getting.

On Carlton, the top-level story is it's a win-win for both parties. Sanogo is a much better fit for Hurley's team (and was in fact 1st team All-BE despite his disappointing end to the season), and Carlton succeeded elsewhere. Good use of the portal all around.

I don't think Whaley had such a fantastic career beyond what a 3-star recruit is expected to do in a 5 year period. He developed and got better but overall Whaley is a supporting cast player on a team that goes deep in the NCAA's. His greatest individual accomplishment was winning conference DPOY, which while admirable, isn't unheard of from a 3-star.
 
Just another example of Hurley's ability to judge talent. Same thing with Akok.
 
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Some fans (really one fan) wanted him to stay.

Here's what I posted about Carlton going back to 2019. You're not the only one who wanted him to stay.

Carlton will be a very important player for us his senior year. It's unfortunate he's not where the team needs him to be, but that's not his fault. He didn't run the program into the ground and create a bunch of transfers out.
If Carlton continues to develop and a true freshman takes his spot, then that kid is likely a lottery pick.

However, I don't blame him for leaving, and I'm happy he's finding success at Houston. He deserves it.
 
Ok, I'll bite. Playing Carlton would've meant you have to bench your ascending Sophomore that made the All-Big East 1st team this year and was a finalist for the award for top center in the country. I like Josh and am rooting for Houston to go all the way in this tournament, but it would've probably meant you lose Sanogo and/or Whaley doesn't come back this year. If you're OK with that, then by all means bash Hurley, but it just seems like a bizarre argument to make.
Never said he didn't have to go, he did because he didn't fit. With everything I've read about Clingan not sure he fits the offense as it is now.
 
Why does almost every topic turn negative! Congrats to Josh,
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Boneyard's gonna Boneyard.

As for Josh, he had some big rebounds & putbacks last night. Seems to fit in well with UH. I'm glad for him.
 
Never said he didn't have to go, he did because he didn't fit. With everything I've read about Clingan not sure he fits the offense as it is now.

He left because he was the 3rd big in the pecking order. The other two players better fit his system so it doesn't make sense that Hurley would change his system to accommodate the 3rd big on the roster. That's why I think it's unfair for you to criticize Hurley for this.
 
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The Purdue coach seems to be able to make it work with 2 big kids.
Very different situations. Purdue basically has a 50/50 timeshare between two centers. There were 3 centers at UConn, and regardless of views on whether it was coaching/system issues, Carlton was pretty clearly #3 of the group and unlike Whaley, did not have any position versatility. If Carlton had stayed, he was probably looking at a similar 10 mpg when Sanogo and Whaley were healthy. Clearly that was not going to work for him and he found a better situation.

His success at Houston does not necessarily have to be an indictment of Hurley. It can just be that he found a better situation for his abilities, UConn had two better options for their system, and he very fairly wanted a bigger role for his last year.
 
I don't disagree about his development of Whaley. But IMO Hurley was still slow to recognize this improvement -- Whaley went from barely playing mid-season his Junior year, to getting consistent double-doubles over the last several games (after Akok went out).

On Carlton, the transfer was a win-win for both parties - completely agree. He was going to transfer either way, given that Sanogo was going to be our starting center and the two of them really couldn't play side-by-side. BUT, that doesn't excuse the way Hurley used him last season. Carlton played 4 minutes (!!) in the Big East Semi-Final loss to Creighton and only 2 minutes (!!) against Maryland in our first round loss (and for the record, Sanogo only played 16 minutes that game - so it's not like he was playing the other 38). Carlton played 28 minutes last night in a Sweet 16 game, going for 10 and 7 in a win over a #1 seed. He's now in the Elite 8. Even you have to agree that Carlton should've been used better last season -- it's unfortunate he barely saw the court in our last two losses that year.
Perhaps Carlton could have gotten more run last year, but again, it's not in a vacuum, it would have to be at someone's expense.

Whaley? Again, Carlton was still a better fit. Playing Whaley and Carlton side by side wasn't great.
 
I always thought of Carlton as a very good player who was not handled well in his time here. He was inconsistent in his earlier years but still felt he was always passed over in favor of the new toys
 
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I don't disagree about his development of Whaley. But IMO Hurley was still slow to recognize this improvement -- Whaley went from barely playing mid-season his Junior year, to getting consistent double-doubles over the last several games (after Akok went out).

On Carlton, the transfer was a win-win for both parties - completely agree. He was going to transfer either way, given that Sanogo was going to be our starting center and the two of them really couldn't play side-by-side. BUT, that doesn't excuse the way Hurley used him last season. Carlton played 4 minutes (!!) in the Big East Semi-Final loss to Creighton and only 2 minutes (!!) against Maryland in our first round loss (and for the record, Sanogo only played 16 minutes that game - so it's not like he was playing the other 38). Carlton played 28 minutes last night in a Sweet 16 game, going for 10 and 7 in a win over a #1 seed. He's now in the Elite 8. Even you have to agree that Carlton should've been used better last season -- it's unfortunate he barely saw the court in our last two losses that year.
How do you know it didn't take part way through Whaley's junior year to be ready to produce like that? He was not highly rated or highly recruited. Was a very raw prospect that frankly looked overmatched when he did get minutes his first couple years. Credit the kid for working hard and not quitting on himself or the program. Also, credit Hurley for not forcing him out and reaping the benefits from Whaleys hard work paying off later on. Akok was highly recruited and provided a spark his freshman year pre injury. Nobody should be criticizing Hurley for giving him minutes. Remember Marcus White? Guy never played. Calhoun missed a game, the assistant played White. White played well and when Calhoun came back he said Marcus White should and will get minutes going forward. Point is, even the great ones are sometimes a little late to the exact moment in a players development that a player is ready to play and contribute.
 
He left because he was the 3rd big in the pecking order. The other two players better fit his system so it doesn't make sense that Hurley would change his system to accommodate the 3rd big on the roster. That's why I think it's unfair for you to criticize Hurley for this.
Actually there4 big, we hardly saw one. If Sanogo has NBA aspirations then having Carlton at the 5 could have allowed him to develop at the 4. Howany get were we strapped because of injuries/foul trouble.
It wasn't that we had too many bigs.
It is something to think about - how will Hurley adapt to Clingan's game?
 
Actually there4 big, we hardly saw one. If Sanogo has NBA aspirations then having Carlton at the 5 could have allowed him to develop at the 4. Howany get were we strapped because of injuries/foul trouble.
It wasn't that we had too many bigs.
It is something to think about - how will Hurley adapt to Clingan's game?
Carlton at 5 with Sanogo at the 4? Too plodding on defense and too clogging for offense. You are wondering if Clingan fits but you want to play Sanogo and Carlton together?
 
Actually there4 big, we hardly saw one. If Sanogo has NBA aspirations then having Carlton at the 5 could have allowed him to develop at the 4. Howany get were we strapped because of injuries/foul trouble.
It wasn't that we had too many bigs.
It is something to think about - how will Hurley adapt to Clingan's game?

I'm hopeful as Sanogo develops, he will maybe be able to play some minutes at the 4 as I agree that's his most likely path to the NBA, but he definitely wasn't ready to do so this year. Doesn't have enough versatility on offense and his footspeed on defense was very good for a center, but against stretch 4 types I think he would've had real problems. So I'm not optimistic that plan would have worked had Josh stayed.

I agree it remains to be seen how Hurley utilizes Clingan, but until we actually see what he does I will reserve any judgment.
 
Carlton at 5 with Sanogo at the 4? Too plodding on defense and too clogging for offense. You are wondering if Clingan fits but you want to play Sanogo and Carlton together?
The question on Clingan is the same question on Carlton. As far as Sanogo, we all know if Sanogo wants NBA he needs to develop a '4' gameset.
 
When Josh was at UConn, his skills were obvious to everyone (Kelvin Sampson most notably).
Sampson has put Carlton is positions to succeed, and Hurley didn't really play to his strengths.

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Samson with warts and all, is a great coach.
Dan Hurley? Still to be determined.
 
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