Carlton

[WhereistheDove?]

The question on Clingan is the same question on Carlton. As far as Sanogo, we all know if Sanogo wants NBA he needs to develop a '4' gameset.

I think they're somewhat different situations. Clingan likely won't be vying for starter minutes until at least his Sophomore and potentially Junior year, so Hurley will be able to ease him in off the bench without there being a logjam at the position. People get on Hurley for not adapting his system to Carlton, but he had two guys that could play the 5 in that system better than Carlton, so why would he need to? I don't think we should automatically assume that he won't adapt a system to Clingan if he develops into a player that is deserving of that.

 

[NJHusky]

To those who know Sampson’s coaching.

Did Carlton fit Sampson’s system or did Sampson adjust to for Josh’s skill set?

 

[UCfor3]

The question on Clingan is the same question on Carlton. As far as Sanogo, we all know if Sanogo wants NBA he needs to develop a '4' gameset.

Neither should play with Sanogo. Whaley was even iffy and Whaley has quicker feet and can guard on the perimeter and hedge way better than both those guys. We need to guard the Novas and Creightons on the perimeter and we need to unclog the lane on offense and surround Sanogo with shooters and drivers. As far as Sanogo developing a 4 mindset. He won't be able to guard NBA 4's regardless of whether he expands his offense game outward. Could you see him defending KD? Hurley's job is to win games at UConn first and foremost. Calhoun tried putting Freeman on the wing his senior year for NBA reasons. Didn't work out great. He was an excellent college 4 though.

 

[olehead]

To those who know Sampson’s coaching.

Did Carlton fit Sampson’s system or did Sampson adjust to for Josh’s skill set?

Sampson was willing to initiate offense through Carlton with the understanding from Carlton that he would improve aspects of his game. Josh did. Clearly Josh's footwork, hands and lower base have improved along with his ability to finish at the rim. And they go through Josh whose a such a scoring and O rebounding threat while providing spacing for their 3 point shooters in Edwards, Shead, Moore and Fabian White.

 

[NJHusky]

Sampson was willing to initiate offense through Carlton with the understanding from Carlton that he would improve aspects of his game. Josh did. Clearly Josh's footwork, hands and lower base have improved along with his ability to finish at the rim. And they go through Josh whose a such a scoring and O rebounding threat while providing spacing for their 3 point shooters in Edwards, Shead, Moore and Fabian White.

Thx

 

[Stinger92860]

We had two players on the BE first team including a center and we also had a sophomore drafted in the lottery last year. I think Hurley knows a little something about putting players in a position to succeed.

Then why can‘t we get to the 2nd round?

 

[Ratso]

1st

 

[Ratso]

good for him. a husky is in the final 8

 

[Doctor Hoop]

How do you know it didn't take part way through Whaley's junior year to be ready to produce like that? He was not highly rated or highly recruited. Was a very raw prospect that frankly looked overmatched when he did get minutes his first couple years

Here’s where I’m going to disagree. I disagreed vehemently and repeatedly with so many on this board who said Whaley would never amount to anything, needed to move to a Div. II school, or the MAAC. I saw his good lateral movement and defensive anticipatio, and his excellent jump timing on blocks and rebounds. All he needed was to learn to hold down the fouls, and all that took was playing time. He was not going to be an offensive juggernaut, but anyone 6’9” who can play the defensive end of the floor like that is valuable. Hurley should have seen it sooner.

 

[August_West]

The question on Clingan is the same question on Carlton. As far as Sanogo, we all know if Sanogo wants NBA he needs to develop a '4' gameset.

Not especially. Clingan is 4 inches bigger and a better passer. But if you mean the high hedge scheme, sure. But Dan can’t be dumb enough to put him in that. It makes zero sense.

Adama at 4 is a worse experiment than Kevin freeman at the 3. Adama is a 5

 

[UCfor3]

Here’s where I’m going to disagree. I disagreed vehemently and repeatedly with so many on this board who said Whaley would never amount to anything, needed to move to a Div. II school, or the MAAC. I saw his good lateral movement and defensive anticipatio, and his excellent jump timing on blocks and rebounds. All he needed was to learn to hold down the fouls, and all that took was playing time. He was not going to be an offensive juggernaut, but anyone 6’9” who can play the defensive end of the floor like that is valuable. Hurley should have seen it sooner.

Maybe you should be a scout. He got time his first two seasons and looked overmatched. If by earlier, you mean earlier in the season he started playing decent you are splitting hairs. Like I said Calhoun made the same error with Marcus White but go ahead, blame Hurley for something else. We had Carlton playing Center and apparently people think he is Bill Russell now so he wasn't going to be playing over him. Akok was running the floor like a deer, blocking shots and injecting energy into the team. Credit Whaley for working hard and taking advantage of his opportunity. Things like this happen all the time on other teams but on the boneyard people have to go out of the way to blame Hurley for noticing a few weeks too late for their liking.

 

[Kathy]

Not especially. Clingan is 4 inches bigger and a better passer. But if you mean the high hedge scheme, sure. But Dan can’t be dumb enough to put him in that. It makes zero sense.

Adama at 4 is a worse experiment than Kevin freeman at the 3. Adama is a 5

I was referring to the high hedge - hope you're right, but has been a staple so far.

 

[Doctor Hoop]

Maybe you should be a scout. He got time his first two seasons and looked overmatched. If by earlier, you mean earlier in the season he started playing decent you are splitting hairs. Like I said Calhoun made the same error with Marcus White but go ahead, blame Hurley for something else. We had Carlton playing Center and apparently people think he is Bill Russell now so he wasn't going to be playing over him. Akok was running the floor like a deer, blocking shots and injecting energy into the team. Credit Whaley for working hard and taking advantage of his opportunity. Things like this happen all the time on other teams but on the boneyard people have to go out of the way to blame Hurley for noticing a few weeks too late for their liking.

No, I mean freshman year under Ollie.

 

[alphasigko]

Still can't shoot FTs

 

[UCfor3]

No, I mean freshman year under Ollie.

You are talking about freshman year under Ollie but Hurley should have noticed sooner?? He was overmatched and looked like he didn't belong his freshman and sophomore year. His feet and novements were ok like you said but his skill and basketball ability was severely lacking. Credit Whaley for staying with it and becoming a good player. That doesn't happen overnight though. Chances are he wasn't playable for major minutes until around the time he started getting major minutes.

 

[Doctor Hoop]

You are talking about freshman year under Ollie but Hurley should have noticed sooner?? He was overmatched and looked like he didn't belong his freshman and sophomore year. His feet and novements were ok like you said but his skill and basketball ability was severely lacking. Credit Whaley for staying with it and becoming a good player. That doesn't happen overnight though. Chances are he wasn't playable for major minutes until around the time he started getting major minutes.

I disagree with your assessment. Also, what, Hurley didn’t watch film of the team he’s taking over? Or give everyone a full look in preseason?

Adding to this, his freshman year stats included 56% from the field on 2 point shots, 68% on free throws, 30 blocks, 12 starts and 14 minutes per game playing in all 30 games. I’ll take that from a lightly recruited freshman big.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Regarding 2 bigs on the court at once, wasn't there a UConn coach that won a National Championship while playing 2 of Emeka Okafor, Charlie Villanueva and Josh Boone at the same time? What was that coach's name?

 

[cohenzone]

Next step is for Hurley to get teams to succeed.

Not disagreeing, but it does kinda depend on what “succeed” means. This years team was not going to win an NC with or without Josh Carlton who also had his good games here under Hurley. Everyone is making a big deal over losing in the round of 64 when only UConn fans notice the difference between losing then or in the Sweet Sixteen and even then there would be a bunch of Yarders bitching. A lot of fans can’t even remember who won last year’s NC. Hurley isn’t perfect by a long shot, but on the other hand he had a team weak in jump shooting take 3rd in the BE and into the dance. Maybe that reflects a recruiting issue or getting too excited about bringing in a super athlete whose big weakness is pretty important in hoops. Would Carlton have been a difference maker to our record or tourney success? We’ll never know but I doubt it.

 

[UCfor3]

I disagree with your assessment. Also, what, Hurley didn’t watch film of the team he’s taking over? Or give everyone a full look in preseason?

Adding to this, his freshman year stats included 56% from the field on 2 point shots, 68% on free throws, 30 blocks, 12 starts and 14 minutes per game playing in all 30 games. I’ll take that from a lightly recruited freshman big.

Maybe you should both scout and coach the team. Hurley watched film and at the time was PRAISED for not making Whaley transfer because he was choosing culture. You are obviously a basketball savant. You noticed Whaley had potential before Ollie, Hurley, and every other person with eyes in the state.

 

[UCfor3]

Regarding 2 bigs on the court at once, wasn't there a UConn coach that won a National Championship while playing 2 of Emeka Okafor, Charlie Villanueva and Josh Boone at the same time? What was that coach's name?

That was 2004. The game has changed since then a tad.

 

[UCfor3]

Regarding 2 bigs on the court at once, wasn't there a UConn coach that won a National Championship while playing 2 of Emeka Okafor, Charlie Villanueva and Josh Boone at the same time? What was that coach's name?

Also, we dont have those 3 guys patrolling our interior these days.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

That was 2004. The game has changed since then a tad.

True. Since then, there has been a lot of misinterpreting analytics resulting in poorly designed offenses at all levels of basketball.

 

[UCfor3]

True. Since then, there has been a lot of misinterpreting analytics resulting in poorly designed offenses at all levels of basketball.

? Vague, passive aggressive....saying nothing or something? Who knows...

 

[gtcam]

Carlton at 5 with Sanogo at the 4? Too plodding on defense and too clogging for offense. You are wondering if Clingan fits but you want to play Sanogo and Carlton together?

Sanogo needs to play the 4 if he wants to play basketball at the highest level after UConn. You saw it last year and Dan Hurley is hurting him playing him at the 5. He needs to develop a mid range game and workable handle. If you read all the scouting reports they nearly all state he will not play 5 in the NBA. Much like Charlie V, Jeff A, Hilton and others. Even 5s in the NBA have a mid range game and many have 3 pt ability. Sanogo plays with his back to the basket. Save that for the 7 footers. Sanogo is limited offensively and needs to expand his game. He has the athletic ability.

 

[UCfor3]

Sanogo needs to play the 4 if he wants to play basketball at the highest level after UConn. You saw it last year and Dan Hurley is hurting him playing him at the 5. He needs to develop a mid range game and workable handle. If you read all the scouting reports they nearly all state he will not play 5 in the NBA. Much like Charlie V, Jeff A, Hilton and others. Even 5s in the NBA have a mid range game and many have 3 pt ability. Sanogo plays with his back to the basket. Save that for the 7 footers. Sanogo is limited offensively and needs to expand his game. He has the athletic ability.

Hurley is paid to win games for UConn. Playing a college center at the wrong position in college will not help win games. You sound like Calipari who says his job is less about winning than getting people drafted.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

? Vague, passive aggressive....saying nothing or something? Who knows...

Passive aggressive? Saying misinterpreted analytics result in poorly designed offenses is like saying the sun rises in the East and water is wet. It is a fact that is so obvious it does not need to be debated.

 

[Milo65]

He passes a lot better than Sanogo I’ll tell you that much. Opens up Houston’s offense on the wings.

That’s not true, We don’t really know how Sanogo passes, since we haven’t seen it.

 

[Doctor Hoop]

Maybe you should both scout and coach the team. Hurley watched film and at the time was PRAISED for not making Whaley transfer because he was choosing culture. You are obviously a basketball savant. You noticed Whaley had potential before Ollie, Hurley, and every other person with eyes in the state.

Ollie saw it too. Which is not to say Ollie should still be coaching. Hurley is much better at the culture development, and gets higher ranked recruits.

 

[UCfor3]

Passive aggressive? Saying misinterpreted analytics result in poorly designed offenses is like saying the sun rises in the East and water is wet. It is a fact that is so obvious it does not need to be debated.y salad means bothing

Passive aggressive? Saying misinterpreted analytics result in poorly designed offenses is like saying the sun rises in the East and water is wet. It is a fact that is so obvious it does not need to be debated.

Your word salad gives me a headache.

Passive aggressive? Saying misinterpreted analytics result in poorly designed offenses is like saying the sun rises in the East and water is wet. It is a fact that is so obvious it does not need to be debated.

 

[UCfor3]

Ollie saw it too. Which is not to say Ollie should still be coaching. Hurley is much better at the culture development, and gets higher ranked recruits.

Are you going to re-educate me? Give it up. Ollie barely saw his own recruits. If he saw something you of all people couldn't confirm it.