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gtcam said:
Sanogo needs to play the 4 if he wants to play basketball at the highest level after UConn. You saw it last year and Dan Hurley is hurting him playing him at the 5. He needs to develop a mid range game and workable handle. If you read all the scouting reports they nearly all state he will not play 5 in the NBA. Much like Charlie V, Jeff A, Hilton and others. Even 5s in the NBA have a mid range game and many have 3 pt ability. Sanogo plays with his back to the basket. Save that for the 7 footers. Sanogo is limited offensively and needs to expand his game. He has the athletic ability.
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Sanogo was the most inefficient elite level 5 in college hoops this year,. And your Answer to that is waste a season trying to make him a 4? The guy barely shot 50% as a 5. And so many misses were 8 feet and out, but now you want him to face up? To do what shoot 30?

I’m not giving up a season for that. Sanogos job next year is to shoot 60% as a 5.
 
kobe said:
joshua carlton has won 4 times as many ncaa tournament games in his career as danny hurley has in his career.
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I would recommend google
 
August_West said:
Sanogo was the most inefficient elite level 5 in college hoops this year,.
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“the most inefficient elite level 5”?

What does that mean? Among the best players he was the most inefficient? I guess I get your point but let’s not lose sight of the fact that he’s a pretty damn good player. People who get paid for this stuff thought he was one of the 5 best centers in college basketball.
 
Kathy said:
And yet Carlton is still playing. I realize his strengths didn't fit the Hurley system, but just maybe you design an offense/defense for the players you have.
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Novel idea.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
“the most inefficient elite level 5”?

What does that mean? Among the best players he was the most inefficient? I guess I get your point but let’s not lose sight of the fact that he’s a pretty damn good player. People who get paid for this stuff thought he was one of the 5 best centers in college basketball.
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He’s a really good player and in my opinion can be great. But if people want to trumpet him on the Kareem list this year, ( and he was one of 5) then it is a fair measurement against those other 4, No?
 
CL82 said:
It’s a big part of his system. So, next year with Clingan will answer the question whether Dan is more system driven or personnel driven.
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That’s what we’re wondering. It’s a valid point about the recruiting of Clingan. Does anything change?
 
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Bad match up for Josh and a couple bad calls hurt. The charge for foul 3 could’ve been an “and 1” if the refs called it like he played for Nova. He did miss a couple bunnies though too but the whole team were masons in this one.

He did better than our guys, good for him nice way to end his college career!
 
Article from the New Haven Register.

“I wasn’t surprised at all,” Whaley said of Carlton’s success. “I actually knew he was going to have a good year for Houston. Josh fits Houston’s system really, really well, because he’s a strong, strong player and gets offensive rebounds, and that’s always been their M.O. I knew he was gonna succeed there, because he’s always been a hard-worker, he’s always been very coachable.”

It wasn’t always an easy process.

“I think he actually really wanted to come back (to UConn),” Whaley noted, “but it wouldn’t have benefitted him as well for him to come back. It really worked out well for both parties.”

Isaiah Whaley knew ex-UConn men’s basketball teammate Josh Carlton would succeed at Houston
 
August_West said:
He’s a really good player and in my opinion can be great. But if people want to trumpet him on the Kareem list this year, ( and he was one of 5) then it is a fair measurement against those other 4, No?
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I'm OK with him being only the 5th best center in college basketball.
 
Rico444 said:
I'm OK with him being only the 5th best center in college basketball.
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Are you OK with a high use 5 shooting 50%?

I mean everyone trumpets his 30 point game against Auburn. Anyone here know how many shots taken?
 
August_West said:
Are you OK with a high use 5 shooting 50%?

I mean everyone trumpets his 30 point game against Auburn. Anyone here know how many shots taken?
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I want his shooting percentage to improve, of course, but it gets much more difficult to maintain a high shooting percentage as you take more shots. That's why nobody in their right mind would argue that Amida Brimah was a better offensive player than Sanogo despite his career 64% shooting percentage.
 
August_West said:
Are you OK with a high use 5 shooting 50%?

I mean everyone trumpets his 30 point game against Auburn. Anyone here know how many shots taken?
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Would you relax please? We have one of the best centers in the country and you're whining about his shooting percentage. Remember the guys been playing basketball for only FIVE YEARS! We know the kid lives in the gym and works his tail off. He's going to only get better in the off season
 
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NotADime89 said:
Would you relax please? We have one of the best centers in the country and you're whining about his shooting percentage. Remember the guys been playing basketball for only FIVE YEARS! We know the kid lives in the gym and works his tail off. He's going to only get better in the off season
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Agree with all of that. Too high usage this past season. Agree?

We sacrificed this season to develop him?
 
Rico444 said:
I want his shooting percentage to improve, of course, but it gets much more difficult to maintain a high shooting percentage as you take more shots. That's why nobody in their right mind would argue that Amida Brimah was a better offensive player than Sanogo despite his career 64% shooting percentage.
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The offense wasnt run through Amida, was it? Point being you dont run an offense through a 50% shooting 5 who also cant pass. Sounds like suicide, doesnt it? If you are a 5 who shoots 50 you shouldnt see the ball most trips, should you?
 
August_West said:
The offense wasnt run through Amida, was it? Point being you dont run an offense through a 50% shooting 5 who also cant pass. Sounds like suicide, doesnt it? If you are a 5 who shoots 50 you shouldnt see the ball most trips, should you?
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If we didn't give the ball to Sanogo as much as we did I don't know where the points would be coming from. You wouldn't be getting many open looks on the perimeter and you don't have anybody that can penetrate. So where are the points coming from if you're not making teams have to defend Adama?
 
metsfan2323 said:
I wonder if Houston fans are killing coach Sampson for designing an offense that only put up 44 or is it on the players for missing so many open shots? IMO it's on the players, but I give Hurley the same benefit of the doubt when UCONN misses open shots.
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Sampson got his team to a FF and then lost to a top 10 team in the elite 8 a year later. If we lost in the elite 8 rather than to 12 seed in the first round I don’t think folks would be upset. See the difference?
 
August_West said:
The offense wasnt run through Amida, was it? Point being you dont run an offense through a 50% shooting 5 who also cant pass. Sounds like suicide, doesnt it? If you are a 5 who shoots 50 you shouldnt see the ball most trips, should you?
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So your solution is to rarely give Sanogo ball?
 
NJHusky said:
Sampson got his team to a FF and then lost to a top 10 team in the elite 8 a year later. If we lost in the elite 8 rather than to 12 seed in the first round I don’t think folks would be upset. See the difference?
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Got it. Missing shots in the early rounds is the coaches fault and In the later rounds its the players fault. Makes Zero sense but Bonehead logic rules in the Boneyard. Of course the one caveat will be losing in the elite 8 three years in a row. Then the coach gets killed.

I remember very well Jay Wright getting destroyed in 2014 after he lost to UCONN. The narrative was he'll never be a big time coach.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
Got it. Missing shots in the early rounds is the coaches fault and In the later rounds its the players fault. Makes Zero sense but Bonehead logic rules in the Boneyard. Of course the one caveat will be losing in the elite 8 three years in a row. Then the coach gets killed.
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I’m sorry. You’re right. Everything is on the players. Nothing is coaches fault.

You love calling folks names which tells a lot IMO. sorry you can’t see the difference between 2 years of success v 2 years of $t-ing the bed in the tournament
 
Rico444 said:
If we didn't give the ball to Sanogo as much as we did I don't know where the points would be coming from. You wouldn't be getting many open looks on the perimeter and you don't have anybody that can penetrate. So where are the points coming from if you're not making teams have to defend Adama?
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I do and math does. Look up the best offensive lineups on uconn this year.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Maybe it's the color red but I always liked the Houston Phi Slamma Jamma teams and enjoyed watching Nolan Richardson and the 40 minutes of hell. Those Mayberry/Day/Miller teams would have won a championship if not for UNLV. Those were way better teams than the Corliss Williamson championship team. Add in the fact Sidney Moncrief was one of my favorite NBA players in the 80's and he's an Arkansas alum and I'll be rooting for Arkansas and Houston every game going forward.
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You’re taking me for a ride in the “Way Back Machine.” Before that my high school friend and CT’s Own GOAT played for the then San Diego > Houston Rockets …..so aside from a soft sport for Josh, happy for him, I can relate to Houston as well.
 
August_West said:
I do and math does. Look up the best offensive lineups on uconn this year.
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The math also says we had the 19th best offense in the country making Sanogo the focal point. If he's holding the offense back then man we must have some incredible offensive talent elsewhere to offset that.
 
Rico444 said:
The math also says we had the 19th best offense in the country making Sanogo the focal point. If he's holding the offense back then man we must have some incredible offensive talent elsewhere to offset that.
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the 19th offense got us to? See your problem is you think Im trying to blame this seasons under achieving on sanogo. Im not, Hes just one of the problems. This is a Carlton thread so Im trying to stay on topic.
 
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