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If I recall correctly (and I may not) a “source” on the BY suggested Hurley was working on Whaley to transfer. The story was that Whaley really liked UConn and said he was staying But he wanted to play more. Hurley then told him he needed to work much harder if he expected playing time. Whaley worked hard and became a much better player.

As for Carlton, when I watch him this year he does things he didn’t do well at UConn. He often dunks the ball and his boxing out is much improved. It does help to be on a team that can score. I hope Josh gets to cut the nets.
 
Josh had very good offensive skills even very early on. Never understood why his PT was so limited especially early on.
 
jibsey said:
Josh had very good offensive skills even very early on. Never understood why his PT was so limited especially early on.
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He got decent time. He had kind of a slow, mechanical offensive game even though he had a nice touch and some decent skill. Slimming down again was huge for him. Him bulking up was a bad instinct for the staff that year. Easy to rip in hindsight but I guess they deserve that for the miscalculation. Really happy for the kid. Him making good doesn't always have to be a demerit for us but I guess that is just the price of doing business around here.
 
Palatine said:
Except I absolutely did predict it. I said a guy gets hurt another gets in early foul trouble and the depth is gone.

What's really crazy is we kept Richie Springs and let Carlton exit the program like he was on SpaceX. Josh would have also helped us big time against Providence at the XL.

Josh isn't a perfect player. He lacks explosion. But he is a brainy player who always hustles who was under estimated here. In any case, he is a classy young man and didn't deserve any of the nonsense thrown his way on the boneyard.
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Stop. I really like Josh and am rooting for him. But did it ever occur to you that he and Hurley spoke honestly about what 21-22 would lok like for him here, and he was told barring injuries Sanogo was playing 30 to 32 minutes a game and Josh’s best case was 8 to 10? And Josh decided he’d rather use his fifth year where he could play morE?

What were you looking for? For Josh to stay because he’d rather ride the pine and be available in case Sanogo got hurt? For Hurley to not let Sanogo get the playing time he wanted and needed to develop as he has (accepting that he’s not Kareem either)? I want to bang a supermodel and have my wife make us dinner afterwards, but I don’t waste time wishing for it to happen and being critical of anyone when it doesn’t.
 
cohenzone said:
Not disagreeing, but it does kinda depend on what “succeed” means. This years team was not going to win an NC with or without Josh Carlton who also had his good games here under Hurley. Everyone is making a big deal over losing in the round of 64 when only UConn fans notice the difference between losing then or in the Sweet Sixteen and even then there would be a bunch of Yarders bitching. A lot of fans can’t even remember who won last year’s NC. Hurley isn’t perfect by a long shot, but on the other hand he had a team weak in jump shooting take 3rd in the BE and into the dance. Maybe that reflects a recruiting issue or getting too excited about bringing in a super athlete whose big weakness is pretty important in hoops. Would Carlton have been a difference maker to our record or tourney success? We’ll never know but I doubt it.
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Even though this is a Carlton thread my comment about Hurley getting teams to succeed was a response to someone mentioning he has coached Bouk, Sanogo and Cole and each of them received high individual accolades.

My comment is to now get teams to consistently perform at their expected levels. yes, every year there are teams which lose to lower seeded teams. No one judges a coach soley on that. Right now there's no glossing over Hurley's NCAA record or BET tournament record. It's not good and you can see the tightness in the players on the court. Hurley needs to learn how to be a better tournament coach.
 
Chin Diesel said:
Even though this is a Carlton thread my comment about Hurley getting teams to succeed was a response to someone mentioning he has coached Bouk, Sanogo and Cole and each of them received high individual accolades.

My comment is to now get teams to consistently perform at their expected levels. yes, every year there are teams which lose to lower seeded teams. No one judges a coach soley on that. Right now there's no glossing over Hurley's NCAA record or BET tournament record. It's not good and you can see the tightness in the players on the court. Hurley needs to learn how to be a better tournament coach.
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I understand that. I’m not sure what reasonable expectations are for a team lacking enough consistent shooters. It is called basketball after all. That’s why I said maybe it’s more of a recruiting issue than a coaching issue. One can debate whether or not he maybe got a team lacking reliable shooters farther than he could have.

BTW, the Carlton stuff is, at bottom, funny. This year people bitched because some see a problem with Johnson not getting meaningful time. At whose expense would be the question. I mention that only because last year some BY people would’ve gone nuts if Carlton had played at Sanogo’s expense. There well might be a happy medium, but people on this board rarely salivated over Carlton and it’s not like he was given zero opportunity and wasn’t allowed to produce, as he did on several occasions. There was probably more discussion about changes in his physique from one season to the next than any player in program history.
 
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cohenzone said:
I understand that. I’m not sure what reasonable expectations are for a team lacking enough consistent shooters. It is called basketball after all. That’s why I said maybe it’s more of a recruiting issue than a coaching issue. One can debate whether or not he maybe got a team lacking reliable shooters farther than he could have.

BTW, the Carlton stuff is, at bottom, funny. This year people bitched because some see a problem with Johnson not getting meaningful time. At whose expense would be the question. I mention that only because last year some BY people would’ve gone nuts if Carlton had played at Sanogo’s expense. There well might be a happy medium, but people on this board rarely salivated over Carlton and it’s not like he was given zero opportunity and wasn’t allowed to produce, as he did on several occasions. There was probably more discussion about changes in his physique from one season to the next than any player in program history.
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But isn't a recruiting issue a coaching issue?
 
UCfor3 said:
Are you going to re-educate me? Give it up. Ollie barely saw his own recruits. If he saw something you of all people couldn't confirm it.
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You know, there is a search function on this board…
Doctor Hoop said:
Not seeing the court can be effort- or talent-related. Not sure which here, but he's a long guy who has good hands, likes to rebound and block shots. Kind of useful, potentially. I see a bit more in him than most, YMMV.
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Doctor Hoop said:
There was a general consensus on the board this offseason that Whaley just wasn’t capable of playing at this level. I saw effort, quickness, good timing, good hands, a nose for rebounds, a not at all awkward jump shot, and couldn’t understand why he languished on the bench all year. Many others saw a kid with no useful talent, better off in D3 ball.

Y’all were wrong.
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Kathy said:
But isn't a recruiting issue a coaching issue?
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Nobody knocks Calipari’s way with recruits. Look, for example everyone was super excited that Hurley landed Jackson. I think Jackson creates a coaching problem that arguably Hurley could have recognized during recruiting. Maybe he did for all we know. Not a terrific shooter and I’m guessing his physical dominance in hs allowed him to score a lot without necessarily being an A level jump shooter. There are limits to how much a coach can significantly improve shooting. Polley, our supposed shooter was either hot or stone cold with not that much in between. Hawkins is supposedly the guy but he has his own learning curve. That’s why I say maybe a more nuanced criticism is regarding the skills of our recruits which definitely impacts coaching choices. I don’t know that there is any such thing as a real answer. All I’m saying is that we had a team deficient in a pretty key area and maybe getting this group to BE 3rd place, top 25 and into the dance was a pretty decent coaching job. I’m disappointed too in a first round loss, but this team wasn’t going to win an NC with John Wooden or Dean Smith coaching it. So the main disappointment to me is that we didn’t get to see the season extended another game or two. Can’t imagine what this board would’ve been like if we’d made the 16 and lost to a 15 seed as I’m pretty sure happened last night.
 
HooperScooper said:
Have you visited a Kentucky message board lately? Lol
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The point being, we’d have been head over heels with many Kentucky commits. Of course they would be nuts on that board but they got what they paid for.
 
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UCfor3 said:
This is about you, not confirming Ollie saw it.
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Now you’re moving goalposts. I stated that even early on I saw potential in the kid. You thought that was not possible, and mocked me. i just showed you were wrong about that. The Ollie comment was an aside, not the main argument. But recall, Ollie started him 12 games, and he averaged 14 minutes per game as a lightly recruited freshman, so it’s a little hard to argue that Ollie didn’t see anything in him.
 
Doctor Hoop said:
Now you’re moving goalposts. I stated that even early on I saw potential in the kid. You thought that was not possible, and mocked me. i just showed you were wrong about that. The Ollie comment was an aside, not the main argument. But recall, Ollie started him 12 games, and he averaged 14 minutes per game as a lightly recruited freshman, so it’s a little hard to argue that Ollie didn’t see anything in him.
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Actually, the original conversation was about whether Hurley didn't recognize Whaleys ability fast enough his Junior year and didn't play him enough until the Akok injury. You were the one that moved the goalposts, and made it about you being the only one on here who saw his talent way before that when he was a freshman. Congrats on that though. You were right.
 
God the amount of stupid takes on here pining for Carlton on our team is mind numbing.

It’s a sad day for those of us hoping to maintain the ability to look down upon pc fans.
 
UCfor3 said:
Hurley is paid to win games for UConn. Playing a college center at the wrong position in college will not help win games. You sound like Calipari who says his job is less about winning than getting people drafted.
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Regardless of this Calipari comment - you may want to make believe that it isn't true but many of these kids go to certain schools so they can better their chances to play at the next level. Sanogo could go to a lot of schools and play center without sights on the NBA. Who says Sanogo is a college center? ESPN and 257 had him labeled as a 4* Power Forward coming out of HS. Again, Sanogo is not a 5 and Hurley has finally recruited a true 5 so going forward he should consider be playing Sanogo in a position where he is facing the basket. I don't think The Squid would be using Sanogo as a 5.
All coaches are paid to win games. I am not a Cal fan at all and would not want him at UConn but if Dan Hurley could recruit and win on the level of Calipari it would be nice. Cal has a .763 wpct and Dan Hurley is at .596%. Dan Hurley and The Squid do have something in common this year - they both lost in the semifinals of their league tournament and the 1st round of the NCAAs.
 
gtcam said:
Regardless of this Calipari comment - you may want to make believe that it isn't true but many of these kids go to certain schools so they can better their chances to play at the next level. Sanogo could go to a lot of schools and play center without sights on the NBA. Who says Sanogo is a college center? ESPN and 257 had him labeled as a 4* Power Forward coming out of HS. Again, Sanogo is not a 5 and Hurley has finally recruited a true 5 so going forward he should consider be playing Sanogo in a position where he is facing the basket. I don't think The Squid would be using Sanogo as a 5.
All coaches are paid to win games. I am not a Cal fan at all and would not want him at UConn but if Dan Hurley could recruit and win on the level of Calipari it would be nice. Cal has a .763 wpct and Dan Hurley is at .596%. Dan Hurley and The Squid do have something in common this year - they both lost in the semifinals of their league tournament and the 1st round of the NCAAs.
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I'm talking about Hurley not the players. Of course the players want to play at the next level. I think Sanogo is a college 5. We are gonna have to agree to disagree here. Playing him with a center would give us 2 big guys chasing players for Nova on the perimeter on defense and two big men clogging the lane on offense. With AJax and two big guys, we are back to having not enough perimeter offensive firepower just like this year, except we would be even slower on defense. We need to open up the floor and become a little more guard centric than we have been in my opinion.
 
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:rolleyes: Happy for Josh, but he's averaged 10/5 on a team with two excellent guards and a bunch of other pieces. He married well, nothing more.
 
cohenzone said:
Nobody knocks Calipari’s way with recruits. Look, for example everyone was super excited that Hurley landed Jackson. I think Jackson creates a coaching problem that arguably Hurley could have recognized during recruiting. Maybe he did for all we know. Not a terrific shooter and I’m guessing his physical dominance in hs allowed him to score a lot without necessarily being an A level jump shooter. There are limits to how much a coach can significantly improve shooting. Polley, our supposed shooter was either hot or stone cold with not that much in between. Hawkins is supposedly the guy but he has his own learning curve. That’s why I say maybe a more nuanced criticism is regarding the skills of our recruits which definitely impacts coaching choices. I don’t know that there is any such thing as a real answer. All I’m saying is that we had a team deficient in a pretty key area and maybe getting this group to BE 3rd place, top 25 and into the dance was a pretty decent coaching job. I’m disappointed too in a first round loss, but this team wasn’t going to win an NC with John Wooden or Dean Smith coaching it. So the main disappointment to me is that we didn’t get to see the season extended another game or two. Can’t imagine what this board would’ve been like if we’d made the 16 and lost to a 15 seed as I’m pretty sure happened last night.
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Maybe we could of won the NC with the St. Peters coach. :D
 
Carlton gif himself in great shape

He didn’t do that 2 hand slam He just had for the good guys
 
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Husky68 said:
Maybe we could of won the NC with the St. Peters coach. :D
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Husky68 said:
Maybe we could of won the NC with the St. Peters coach. :D
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Yeah, but the same could’ve been said about the UConn coach in 2014. How did that turn out? It is fun to root for St. P which I otherwise don’t give a poo about.
 
I wonder if Houston fans are killing coach Sampson for designing an offense that only put up 44 or is it on the players for missing so many open shots? IMO it's on the players, but I give Hurley the same benefit of the doubt when UCONN misses open shots.
 
metsfan2323 said:
I wonder if Houston fans are killing coach Sampson for designing an offense that only put up 44 or is it on the players for missing so many open shots? IMO it's on the players, but I give Hurley the same benefit of the doubt when UCONN misses open shots.
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Kelvin Sampson has worked miracles at Houston and has that program in the elite 8 after losing his 2 best scorers early in the season. Their fans are very happy with Sampson. Sampson has and had the right roster construction and game plan.

Everyone can see that Sampson had the team and his players in a position to succeed and play well. The players just couldn't hit shots.

If Hurley had UCONN in the Elite 8, we the fans would be giving Hurley the benefit of the doubt. This year was wide open, and we again failed to capitalize.

PS: Our roster construction regarding guards and wings who can drive and handle the rock needs big time work. We also don't have multiple knock-down shooters on the team. Every good team has 3-5 guys on the floor who are threats to score from 3.
 
Kathy said:
I was referring to the high hedge - hope you're right, but has been a staple so far.
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It’s a big part of his system. So, next year with Clingan will answer the question whether Dan is more system driven or personnel driven.
 
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