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Carlton, Whaley, Vital

Rocktheworld said:
Your post boils down to this point.

Practicing amongst each other I believe is a highly overrated concept. What matters is in-game reps and experience. And within games, Jalen dominating the ball could absolutely potentially stunt AG’s development. And I think it’s been demonstrated that he does not really have the leadership qualities or potential tutelage which would benefit the younger players. He’s raw athleticism and skill; other players don’t benefit in their development through that.
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And I just couldn't disagree with you more.

I think it's backwards logic to say you want him to leave because he hasn't proved himself as a leader. Typically players with talent like Jalen are better, and better for a team, when surrounded by good players.

You'd REALLY rather Jalen left, and rely on a freshman and a kid who's been injured for 2 years? I just don't see how that is beneficial to the program next year, or 3 years from now.

Also, Jalen wouldn't have to dominate the ball if someone else had the capability of scoring like he does. Having Gilbert/Akinjo/Wilson would alleviate that and help the team have a more potent and dynamic offense.

This is probably a useless argument anyway, because Jalen will probably leave. But to say you want our most talented player to leave is blasphemy. He has the talent of a player that could start on a championship team, despite questionable intangibles.
 
RayIsTheGOAT said:
And I just couldn't disagree with you more.

I think it's backwards logic to say you want him to leave because he hasn't proved himself as a leader. Typically players with talent like Jalen are better, and better for a team, when surrounded by good players.

You'd REALLY rather Jalen left, and rely on a freshman and a kid who's been injured for 2 years? I just don't see how that is beneficial to the program next year, or 3 years from now.

Also, Jalen wouldn't have to dominate the ball if someone else had the capability of scoring like he does. Having Gilbert/Akinjo/Wilson would alleviate that and help the team have a more potent and dynamic offense.

This is probably a useless argument anyway, because Jalen will probably leave. But to say you want our most talented player to leave is blasphemy. He has the talent of a player that could start on a championship team, despite questionable intangibles.
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Agree. We saw Anderson today with wide open looks. The team just struggles to score. Plain and simple.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Could be a good nucleus going forward. I hope Jalen is gone along with Larrier and Anderson who are both liabilities at this point (the latter much more so). Hand the reins over to AG and Vital, plug in a couple shooters, and we may have something in a couple years

Not sure how man more "couple years" we have, but that freshman pair and their potential is all the positive we have right now.

Was really impressed by some of the things Carlton was doing today. How many freshmen go for 13/9 (6 offensive), 2 assists, a steal, and a block, shooting 50% from the floor and 3/3 from the line, with no turnovers, against the clear cut #1 team in the country?
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Jalen has to come back for this team to have any chance of being competitive next year
 
Jalen is being asked to do much. But there is no other alternative. Take him off the floor and our record we have, maybe, three wins.

But I am enjoying this good, old fashion BY meltdown thread. I'm tearing up.
 
Fishy said:
Vital would be a decent second or third player off the bench for a good team. If you’re relying on him to start and play 30+ minutes a game, you’re just not going to be very good.

Wait and see how well this works without Adams next year.

Anyone care to guess what our record would be without him this year?
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If his head were always right (doesn't become more of a gunner when his shots aren't falling, doesn't view the post make celebration as more important the following play) he would be a nice third guard or a high quality fourth guard (the current game requires that much depth). The lack of back court depth and dearth of players who could score has worked against his development. He gets away with a lot of the stupidity because there really aren't sufficient options to punish him as JC would have (not sure of KO would even if he did have options).
 
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Rocktheworld said:
Could be a good nucleus going forward. I hope Jalen is gone along with Larrier and Anderson who are both liabilities at this point (the latter much more so). Hand the reins over to AG and Vital, plug in a couple shooters, and we may have something in a couple years

Not sure how man more "couple years" we have, but that freshman pair and their potential is all the positive we have right now.

Was really impressed by some of the things Carlton was doing today. How many freshmen go for 13/9 (6 offensive), 2 assists, a steal, and a block, shooting 50% from the floor and 3/3 from the line, with no turnovers, against the clear cut #1 team in the country?
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Jalen Adams is a liability?


You've lost your mind
 
msgordon said:
nucleus of carlton whaley and vital? god thats depressing
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Vital should be a shooter and spark plug off the bench. That’s fine and I like Vital but if he is our go to guy we are in big(ger) trouble.
But I see no reason why Carlton and Whaley can’t be all conference players as juniors and seniors.
 
Marty Jackson said:
my only concern or thoughts on Jalen is that he is basically the same player today as he was his freshman season
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He's definitely not. His 3 point shooting hasn't progressed at a rate I would've liked but every other aspect of his offensive game is light years ahead of his frosh year. He really runs the team pretty well, it's not his fault that when running a game plan that it ends up being a bumbling mess after the ball leaves his hands. Which then puts us in a hole, which then forces him to try and do more himself , which then always doesn't turn out well because it's pretty easy for even bad teams to guard 1 player with 5.
Rinse and repeat and there is our season.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Please. Read better.
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Yeah I read further and you are still bonkers because you then made a case for vital being a 12/5 guy in some future role as a big positive while wanting larrier gone who is giving us 15/5 this year and can actually shoot.
( But can't dribble)
 
Jalens got some decisions to make after the season is over. If Uconn wants him back, they need to convince him the team will be different and will be better. I just imagine the fustration he is going through will just keep boiling up having to basically do everything, playing entire games and seeing all the criticism against the team
 
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UConnDan97 said:
I don't know how anyone who roots for this team could type the sentence "I hope Jalen is gone". Honestly, I don't.

I agree that the young nucleus looks good enough to build something with, but we only have one single proven scorer. I'm selfishly hoping he stays for next year...
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We dont need a coaching change! We need a change on ideas with the Unversity and this AA football program!
 
I love Vital’s passion and attitude when playing. I think he has some promise, but he’s not a starter. He’s been starting for us the past 2 years out of necessity. Look at our record the past 2 years. Like mentioned earlier, he’s a perfect 6th man on a good team. Maybe he will prove me wrong next year, but right now? No.

His handle isn’t good enough, doesn’t finish well enough, and his shot is streaky. I’m not gonna get on him too much, because he plays hard and that’s all you can ask for from these guys, but if he’s considered our 3 headed “nucleus” like Boat, Bazz, Daniels? Not sure I sign up for that moving forward. I still like him, I think he plays very hard. I just don’t think he’s a starter if we want to achieve the things we want to as a program moving forward.
 
August_West said:
Yeah I read further and you are still bonkers because you then made a case for vital being a 12/5 guy in some future role as a big positive while wanting larrier gone who is giving us 15/5 this year and can actually shoot.
( But can't dribble)
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He’s averaging what, 14 and 5 right now as a third option?

With my caveat of him improving his efficiency and with Jalen hypothetically gone, I don’t see it as bonkers for Vital to produce at that clip with a few more assists per game; especially if you put a shooter around him and AG, and if Carlton continues to improve at the post and PNR. He has been attacking the rim much more this year, averaging 5 FTs a game. Make three of those, hit a 3, make a couple baskets, one in transition, and you have 12 points. Again it comes down to efficiency. He has not been far off of alleged pro prospect Larrier in every other regard. Right up there with he and Jalen in most of the games that have mattered (quality opponents). Arguably better than Larrier against good or decent teams.

Starting with the Columbia game (which, without him, we lose and is the worst loss of the season), he has averaged 16.5 ppg. He can be a decent guard in the AAC on the AAC team that we will be fielding for the next 2 years.
 
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Rocktheworld said:
He’s averaging what, 14 and 5 right now as a third option?

With my caveat of him improving his efficiency and with Jalen hypothetically gone, I don’t see it as bonkers for Vital to produce at that clip with a few more assists per game; especially if you put a shooter around him and AG, and if Carlton continues to improve at the post and PNR. He has been attacking the rim much more this year, averaging 5 FTs a game. Make three of those, hit a 3, make a couple baskets, one in transition, and you have 12 points. Again it comes down to efficiency. He has not been far off of alleged pro prospect Larrier in every other regard. Right up there with he and Jalen in most of the games that have mattered (quality opponents). Arguably better than Larrier against good or decent teams.

Starting with the Columbia game (which, without him, we lose and is the worst loss of the season), he has averaged 16.5 ppg. He can be a decent guard in the AAC on the AAC team that we will be fielding for the next 2 years.
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Tell which me which UConn team from 89/90 through 2014 would have had Vital as a key starter? On a good UConn team he would be a valuable bench guy with 1-2 rings at graduation.
 
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I didn't see the game was golfing in RI and made the mistake of checking the score on the back 9 - uggghhh. Anyway came home, knew the score started watching the DVR and saw all of those offensive rebounds early and was just too depressed to put myself through it all. Surprised to see Whaley in all of his minutes only got 1 rebound. He is gong to be good but needs a summer of weights and strength conditiong (and shooting from 8-12 feet).
 
We have a good nuecleus of players if we can just add a true point guard, a knock down SG and a Big with low post offense we will be OK.
 
Giddyup5 said:
I hope Jalen is gone?

wow...

He is far from a perfect player, but I don't think you have any idea how terrible we would be without him. How about putting some good players around him instead?
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Don't try to make sense because there are too many who don't have any. Jalen is an outstanding basketball player who could play for any team. He carries too much of the load, plays the entire game and is forced to try to score too much on a scoring challenged team.
Can you imagine this team without Jalen? The stupidity on this board is amazing.
 
Fishy said:
If Ollie is here...no, I don’t think it helps Jalen to return.

If Ollie is tossed, it’s debateable.
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Larrier will opt for a real basketball program if he is not in shape for an NBA shot.
He is grad transfer eligible, why would he stay here when he can be at a P5 school
Rutgers would be a great destination.
Seriously If KO gets canned
JA is long gone , the only remote possibility of him staying is if KO stays
The question is who else will go with the coach.
Most likely the guard recruits will decommit and Vital will transfer.
and depending on their love maybe a couple of Bigs like Whaley and Carlton
Polley is more likely to stay if KO goes.
Cobb is gone if Ollie stays .If the new guy is really desperate he may agree to let him be our PG next year. That would be interesting.
 
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Never was a fan of transfers. Coming in or going out.
Nothing personal, it just seems to always ruin a good recipe, makes a good drink sour. It evolves with bad decisions, and creates tension.
One bad incoming could create outgoing.

Name a incoming starting transfer that really made a positive effect to the chemistry of the team - Shonn Miller comes to mind.
Name an outgoing transfer that made a difference for others.

Next year, hopefully, we will be back in the mainstream of players who chose UCONN from the start and chose UCONN to stay.
 
A couple of thoughts,
1 How can you hope Jalen is gone? Our best hope next year with or w/o Ollie is all of our important pieces come back, AG is healthy, and none our recruits decommit. That would be a nice team on paper.
2 We haven't seen great development of players recently but some credit has to be given to the staff with Carlton. He is absolutely getting better and fouling less. He should be a nice player as he matures physically.
 
Honestly, I no longer know which way is up with the roster for this year or next. I know Jalen is our most complete player. I know Vital would be a good 6th man. I think Carlton and Whalley have potential. Beyond that?

I'm not even sure what to think about the coach. I know he fell off a cliff and doesn't deserve to come back. But will he? Time will tell.
 
3rdbass said:
Problem was he was another guard who couldn't shoot from the outside. I mean how can a team with 4 guards not have one guy who can shoot consistently from the outside?
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And that’s why Gilbert doesn’t solve all of our problems because he was not a great or even a good 3 point shooter. I think Gilbert could help Vital though.
 
Gilbert shouldn't be part of the conversation. He can't be counted on. Anything he gives us would be gravy.
 
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