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HooperScooper said:
How would you know? Did John Mara or Steve Tisch tell you that?

Do you think it's possible they interviewed the most obvious minority head coach candidate just to satisfy the Rooney Rule? Which is what most people think and why the Rooney Rule is pretty much a sham.
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They interviewed three black coaches. Not one. Mara texted Flores the day he fired Judge to tell Flores he was interested in him, Flores admits that, why would he bother to do that all for a fake interview?

I say this as a Giants fan who despises John Mara. I would love this to result in forcing the team. It won't, but I would love it.
 
Flores is a mixed bag to me. Always had his team playing hard and posted two winning seasons. On the other hand, he went through coaches like crazy, moved players around like it was a little league team, and was beyond horrible in dealing with his quarterback. I guess we will see what sort of evidence he has regarding his claims towards the Dolphins, and a drunken John Elway.
 
As a dolphins fan I wasn’t destroyed by his firing.
Years ago, when he was hired, QB play, OLine & run game we’re our weaknesses. These are the same weaknesses today.
3 wins vs playoff teams last 2 years.(2 we’re NE this year)
Last 2 years win out & be in the playoffs & get blown out by 20+ In week 17
 
I’m not really sure how you can force an Owner (basically a private company) to hire minorities. The Rooney rule while made to give minorities a better chance is a sham

Flores is a good coach and deserves to be a head coach but this probably ends his career. The Miami accusations are insane if they are true. That owner is toast
 
aburks41 said:
Which is why the Rooney Rule, while it has good intentions, is almost insulting.
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This is it in a nutshell. If you know who you want you shouldn’t need to interview anybody else. It’s stupid and doesn’t help solve anything. Many of those interviews are a formality to comply.
 
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Edward Sargent said:
I was surprised they interviewed him in the first place. He was fired from Dolphins for not being on the "same page " with the GM and QB so why would a brand new GM stick his neck out? Would you?
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Seems like he wasn't on the same "page" as the owner.
 
The Belichick texts are the highlight for me. With the Brady retirement statement snub, the season ending drubbing by the Bills and now this? Ding dong, the Pats are dead.
 
Hi-Low said:
Maybe but doing a sham interview after you have already offered the job to someone else is pretty pathetic. As a Giants fan I would have preferred Flores myself.
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If the Giants did what it looks then he should be pissed.

Thing is you may not want to start your team out at 1-7 if you want to whine.
 
8893 said:
It congratulated him before he was interviewed, obviously thinking he was Daboli. That’s more than someone would say to a mere favorite.

Belichek doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who would jump the gun unless he was sure. But I’m sure the discovery in the lawsuit will ferret out who knew what, when and how. It won’t be hard.
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Sure but even if premature it certainly doesn’t prove any racial bias in hiring. It just proves that they decided on their guy before interviewing him. There is a reasonable chance internal emails show that as well. But as you said, whatever it is will come out.
 
Giants are a mess but this isn't a Giants problem, it's an NFL problem. The Rooney Rule may have had good intentions towards fixing a problem but it's a sham. Giants knew who their guy was from the beginning.

The league has a major problem with only 1 black head coach and they have no clue how to fix it. I've heard Flores is kind of an arse hole but a solid coach. He's going to look good making this stand because the NFL has been so bad at handling this problem which is getting worse for them and Flores is taking the stand knowing it hurts his future employment.

The texts from BB are just weird, dude needs to handle his liquor better.
 
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Making a mockery of the Rooney Rule isn't a great look. It'll be interesting to find out how Bill Belichick ended up at the end of that game of telephone.
 
Hey Guys,

"Cuz the law (or lawsuit) don't change another's mind, when all he sees at the hiring time, is the light on the color bar, No...." - Bruce Hornsby -

Conversely, no one should ever tell anyone else to hire someone because of their race - even rich, white NFL owners, & even if it's pragmatic. They can hire anyone they wish. Right or wrong, they own that world.

There is a lot about the specifics of this situation that we don't yet know. It'll come out in some form. There are many sides to this story.

America's main issue rages on & on. I'm glad that hoopsters pretty much "figured out" minority coaching inclusiveness relatively long ago, after a long fight.

I wish the brave Coach Flores all the best in finding a perfect position for his winning coaching style. His family should be proud of him for taking a stand.

alohachris
 
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WFAN'a sports minute yesterday was Boomer saying how Daboll accepted the job on Friday but was offered the job earlier in the week. Couple that with the Belichick texts and it seems the Giants definitely tried to skirt the Rooney Rule (sham). Flores definitely has a leg to stand on but I think his future earnings as a coach would far outweigh his lawsuit winnings. Unfortunately for Flores, I do not think he will be coaching anywhere in NFL in the future.
 
Flores problem for the Giants job is that he isn't a doofus. That's all they hire.
 
Too bad, he's a good coach. He would have had more credibility had he made his accusation while he was still employed.
 
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This is a class action suit. Expect more plaintiffs, and if it gets as far as the discovery phase, it's going to get wild. We all know the Rooney Rule is a sham. But is it a bad faith one? If so, then you have potential civil rights issues to tackle.

Stephen Ross however, is in a whole lot of trouble if he bought into a gambling venture and there is proof he bribed Flores to tank games to the tune of $100k per game.
 
I found this pretty interesting because it sounded like Mara actually wanted Flores and Schoen wanted Daboll. It sounds like a Giants employee even mentioned to Flores that they might try and get Daboll as his OC if they hired him? It's a weird situation either way.

Regardless of what actually transpired, it seems like the Miami claims are much more severe but aren't being talked about as much. Maybe because there's not as much proof.
 
Hi-Low said:
You're supposed to interview candidates before you make a hire not after. Flores didn't get an interview for a job, they wasted his time.
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And you know this because….Flores said so?
 
shizzle787 said:
Not a fan of the Rooney rule. You shouldn't be forced to interview or not interview someone based on how they look. It should be done by merit. These are billion dollar organizations and it's 2022: you are not going to hire the #2 candidate just because the top candidate is black. It just so happens that only one coach is black. This time next year, four coaches could be black. The winds change based on who gets fired. They don't draft players based on skin color so it would make no sense for the owners to hire coaches based on skin color. The NBA btw has 12 black coaches. (I don't hear anyone complaining about underrepresentation of Latino or white coaches in the NBA- the black coaches are in those positions by merit not how they look).
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The Rooney rule is well-intentioned but it doesn't address the main problem.

The NFL is a cesspool of nepotism. There's a reason lousy coaches get opportunity after opportunity. It's all about who you know. This starts from the very beginning with low-level hires. If you want to fix the inequality in GMs and Head Coaches, you start at the bottom so relationships can be formed.
 
EnochRoot said:
This is a class action suit. Expect more plaintiffs, and if it gets as far as the discovery phase, it's going to get wild. We all know the Rooney Rule is a sham. But is it a bad faith one? If so, then you have potential civil rights issues to tackle.

Stephen Ross however, is in a whole lot of trouble if he bought into a gambling venture and there is proof he bribed Flores to tank games to the tune of $100k per game.
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Rooney rule is an nfl rule. It’s not a legal requirement. They interviewed graham and Frazier. Didn’t u ever interview someone and say that’s my guy. Even telling the candidate we want you but continue to interview to see if someone knocks your socks off? Flores is mad he didn’t get a job so he’s suing. Not a guy I want on my payroll. Rehab your image from being a bad manager and try again. So Rooney rule was ok when he got job in Miami?
 
JMick said:
The Rooney rule is well-intentioned but it doesn't address the main problem.

The NFL is a cesspool of nepotism. There's a reason lousy coaches get opportunity after opportunity. It's all about who you know. This starts from the very beginning with low-level hires. If you want to fix the inequality in GMs and Head Coaches, you start at the bottom so relationships can be formed.
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Nepotism doesn't necessarily mean racism. That's a different issue.
 
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What did the Giants actually do wrong here?

We interviewed Flores in person (1/27), Leslie Frazier twice and in person (1/22 and 1/28), and Patrick Graham (1/26). Rooney rule, for what it is, fulfilled.

Daboll hired on Friday night 1/28 hours after the Frazier interview. But since BB accidentally texted Flores congratulating him on being the Giants guy before he interviewed, and before anything was made officially, while also being accidentally sent to Flores instead of Daboll, the Giants are being sued for discrimination?

What am I missing? Is there real evidence that the Giants hired Daboll before they fulfilled the Rooney Rule? Besides it being painfully obvious that Schoen wanted to bring his guy Daboll with him, I don’t see what the Giants did wrong to be punished for this mess
 
shizzle787 said:
Nepotism doesn't necessarily mean racism. That's a different issue.
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No, it doesn't mean racism, but it is the main issue. If the coaches are overwhelmingly white, the majority of front offices are white, and the owners are all white, and they hire their white relatives and friends/friends kids for entry level positions, it's taking positions away from qualified minority candidates.
 
Maybe this will finally get the sham of the Rooney Rule addressed. I don't think the Giants did anything wrong here per se, but if the Mara's get caught in the crossfire and need to go that would be nice. Seems unlikely given all the talk about the Mara's were the ones who actually wanted Flores as coach. There was even talk of Daboll going somewhere else (I think it was Miami) as recent as Thursday so I'm not sure I even buy that interview being a fake one anyway
 
NJHusky said:
Rooney rule is an nfl rule. It’s not a legal requirement. They interviewed graham and Frazier. Didn’t u ever interview someone and say that’s my guy. Even telling the candidate we want you but continue to interview to see if someone knocks your socks off? Flores is mad he didn’t get a job so he’s suing. Not a guy I want on my payroll. Rehab your image from being a bad manager and try again. So Rooney rule was ok when he got job in Miami?
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Nothing you’ve said here is relevant at all to what is transpiring.
 
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