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Brandon Zermeno - late QB add for depth

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I’m surprised that Tyler hasn’t at least gotten an opportunity to get out there if he’s medically available. Given that the Michigan game was well out of hand, why not give him a set of downs against the third string?

The quote above seems like that’s not going to happen.
 
Take the 4th down play in the 4th quarter, deep in Michigan territory. Millen gets put in, after a timeout. All 109K knew what was going to happen. Millen run play. Stuffed for -4 yards. That’s a terrible and lazy play call.

I see that 4th down play much differently. I did not see it as a terrible or lazy play call.

I thought and (I think) the staff thought that Michigan would come out and set up to stop the QB sneak. So UConn called an option play to the outside, away from the traffic, where Millen could carry the ball or pitch it. This would have been a good call if Michigan had stacked the center of the line.

However, Michigan only had 4 down lineman and played a base defense. That freed the LBs and DB to flow to the outside and bust up the play.

My guess (also) is that Millen did not have the option to audible to a sneak which would have had a much greater chance of success. The Michigan coaches simply outguessed the UConn coaches (and probably most of the 109K in attendance). They won the chess game on that play.
 
I’m surprised that Tyler hasn’t at least gotten an opportunity to get out there if he’s medically available. Given that the Michigan game was well out of hand, why not give him a set of downs against the third string?

The quote above seems like that’s not going to happen.
I think the issue with TP is the lack of practice reps. Roberson did play in the spring, but TP did not as he was still recovering from injury. Turner and Millen didn't arrive at UConn until the summer and it appears Millen had an injury. Thus, I would think the vast majority if reps in camp went to Roberson and Turner with Millen and TP being brought along slowly as they were recovering from injury. After Roberson was injured in game 1, I'm sure Turner has taken the vast majority of snaps in practice as he was learning to be QB1.

And, TP's and Zion's stats look very similar as true freshmen:

TP: Passing: 35 for 72 48.6%, 321 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs. Rushing: 24 for 92 yards, 2 TDs.

Zion: Passing: 44 for 86, 51.2%, 390 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INTs. Rushing: 22 for 60 yards, 0 TDs.
 
Tyler Phommachanh: Passing: 35 for 72 48.6%, 321 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs. Rushing: 24 for 92 yards, 2 TDs.

Zion: Passing: 44 for 86, 51.2%, 390 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INTs. Rushing: 22 for 60 yards, 0 TDs.
Interesting. I think you’ve got to take into account that Zion has a more stout Oline in front of him. Tyler racked up those stats while running for his life most of the time.
 
im not getting into the who should play thing. i'm happy to leave that up to coach, but for me, the 'tyler needs practice reps' doesn't register.
he's a 'make stuff happen' player, disciplined or otherwise.
top shelf? prolly not, but we don't have top shelf ambitions right now.

it feels like he could go out there, having absolutely zero time with the other ten, and in the huddle say 'u button hook right. u stutterstep, then head on a fly to the e-zone. u hang back, then slide across the middle. stay close, rb, and everyone else put a hat on somebody.'

no charts. no graphs. no tendencies. nuthin.
that guy feels like managed chaos to me. big fun.
 
I think the issue with Tyler Phommachanh is the lack of practice reps. Roberson did play in the spring, but Tyler Phommachanh did not as he was still recovering from injury. Turner and Millen didn't arrive at UConn until the summer and it appears Millen had an injury. Thus, I would think the vast majority if reps in camp went to Roberson and Turner with Millen and Tyler Phommachanh being brought along slowly as they were recovering from injury. After Roberson was injured in game 1, I'm sure Turner has taken the vast majority of snaps in practice as he was learning to be QB1.

And, Tyler Phommachanh's and Zion's stats look very similar as true freshmen:

Tyler Phommachanh: Passing: 35 for 72 48.6%, 321 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs. Rushing: 24 for 92 yards, 2 TDs.

Zion: Passing: 44 for 86, 51.2%, 390 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INTs. Rushing: 22 for 60 yards, 0 TDs.

Or after the injury he isn’t as mobile as he was before.

Stats don’t lie, but we almost beat Wyoming and Vandy with him. Seems like he would have been very good against teams like Utah State and Central.
 
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Interesting. I think you’ve got to take into account that Zion has a more stout Oline in front of him. Tyler racked up those stats while running for his life most of the time.
I think you have to take into account that Zion played against Syracuse and Michigan which is much higher competition than TP faced (Army, Wyoming, and Vandy).
 
I don't get wanting the staff to ask players to execute plays they don't think the players are capable of executing. It would be like asking the basketball team, on a night they are getting blown out and can't get anything going inside, having Sanogo start chucking up threes just because nothing else is working.
No, getting nothing inside you have Polley, Cole, Martin or Hawkins shoot from the outside. Equivalent in football to your Sanogo comparison would be having Guidone line up at QB in spread offense with empty backfield and say go at it buddy.
 
I see that 4th down play much differently. I did not see it as a terrible or lazy play call.

I thought and (I think) the staff thought that Michigan would come out and set up to stop the QB sneak. So UConn called an option play to the outside, away from the traffic, where Millen could carry the ball or pitch it. This would have been a good call if Michigan had stacked the center of the line.

However, Michigan only had 4 down lineman and played a base defense. That freed the LBs and DB to flow to the outside and bust up the play.

My guess (also) is that Millen did not have the option to audible to a sneak which would have had a much greater chance of success. The Michigan coaches simply outguessed the UConn coaches (and probably most of the 109K in attendance). They won the chess game on that play.
Everyone knew the ball wouldn't leave Millen's hand. Option or sneak, you are going to blitz him. That's why you don't put him in on a play like that. The right play call would have been having him pass as up until that point I don't think he had attempted a pass. If you don't have a backup plan at the line of scrimmage for a 4&1 play after you see what the defense is doing after a timeout, that is lazy. How do you not have a plan B. That is coaching setting up his players to fail.

We'll agree to disagree as we don't need to continue to harp on one bad play out of many, many bad plays, but the way I see it Charlton's game plan is poor, his play calling is poor, and Zion and Cale's execution of said game plan and plays are poor. Injuries probably have a lot to do with it, but again, I don't think Charlton set this team up for success on Saturday. Having 20 passing yards in a D-1 football game deserves criticism.
 
If Tyler is now cleared to play and is working with the first team, let's all wait and see what happens in the next game.
 
Everyone knew the ball wouldn't leave Millen's hand. Option or sneak, you are going to blitz him. That's why you don't put him in on a play like that. The right play call would have been having him pass as up until that point I don't think he had attempted a pass. If you don't have a backup plan at the line of scrimmage for a 4&1 play after you see what the defense is doing after a timeout, that is lazy. How do you not have a plan B. That is coaching setting up his players to fail.

We'll agree to disagree as we don't need to continue to harp on one bad play out of many, many bad plays, but the way I see it Charlton's game plan is poor, his play calling is poor, and Zion and Cale's execution of said game plan and plays are poor. Injuries probably have a lot to do with it, but again, I don't think Charlton set this team up for success on Saturday. Having 20 passing yards in a D-1 football game deserves criticism.

Given the defense. A QB sneak gets you the first down.

But I share your frustration with the conservative nature of Carlton's overall game plan. My guess it is because he has zero confidence in the offense's ability to perform in the passing game.
 
I’m surprised that Tyler hasn’t at least gotten an opportunity to get out there if he’s medically available. Given that the Michigan game was well out of hand, why not give him a set of downs against the third string?

The quote above seems like that’s not going to happen.
It won’t happen and it shouldn’t happe
 
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Sorry looked at his hc record.
Quarterback passed for 214/game. Passed 484 plays ran 496. Total offense 346/game. These are season averages. So I’m not exactly sure where the idea that Carlton is some kind of offensive genius came from. His offense the year he was OC at Maine was pretty pedestrian by current standards. They won a bunch of games to be sure, but they certainly wouldn’t be confused with the greatest show on turf. And I think the offense they are currently running is pretty pedestrian too. If it is because Zion can’t make plays, that is a problem. If it is because the OC really isn’t that creative, we have a different problem.
 
Quarterback passed for 214/game. Passed 484 plays ran 496. Total offense 346/game. These are season averages. So I’m not exactly sure where the idea that Carlton is some kind of offensive genius came from. His offense the year he was OC at Maine was pretty pedestrian by current standards. They won a bunch of games to be sure, but they certainly wouldn’t be confused with the greatest show on turf. And I think the offense they are currently running is pretty pedestrian too. If it is because Zion can’t make plays, that is a problem. If it is because the OC really isn’t that creative, we have a different problem.
I think the genius rep came from interviews with the players. Numerous times they raved about Charlton's creativity.

It doesn't seem fair to judge him yet, but I think if there is any time we need to see creativity, it would be now...lol.
 
I think the genius rep came from interviews with the players. Numerous times they raved about Charlton's creativity.

It doesn't seem fair to judge him yet, but I think if there is any time we need to see creativity, it would be now...lol.
Why does every OC have to be a genius?

It comes down to players. I like UConn’s offensive design, much better than what we saw previous two years where it felt like they were just calling plays and had no philosophy. Issue with Charlton’s offense is no one can get open verticallyx and the QB is young.

I have blamed coaches enough over 10 years. Comes down to players. Coaches gotta be more creative here, Ut end of day get open and make a play.

Can the WRs throw a block once in a while on those WR screens?
 
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UConn needs another arm and he can run the scout team which helps a lot.

I will add this. UConn needs to add another 10 or so walk-ons if they want as UConn needs bodies as HCJM pointed out
 
Why does every OC have to be a genius?

It comes down to players. I like UConn’s offensive design, much better than what we saw previous two years where it felt like they were just calling plays and had no philosophy. Issue with Charlton’s offense is no one can get open verticallyx and the QB is young.

I have blamed coaches enough over 10 years. Comes down to players. Coaches gotta be more creative here, Ut end of day get open and make a play.

Can the WRs throw a block once in a while on those WR screens?
I get what you are saying, and I agree to a point. But seriously, nobody can get open? Never? There. is no design to throw long or medium passes, it seems. Or the quarterback can’t can’t do it. I mean I saw Zergiotis throw several long tds. As a true freshman behind Swiss cheese olines. I had zero expectation of beating Michigan. But throwing for 24 yards ? Yikes. Longest completion is 7 yards by Millen late? The offense is so bad it makes out defensive backfield seem solid. Maybe it is time to get away from a playbook Zion feels comfortable and go with one we need to move the football.
 
Why does every OC have to be a genius?

It comes down to players. I like UConn’s offensive design, much better than what we saw previous two years where it felt like they were just calling plays and had no philosophy. Issue with Charlton’s offense is no one can get open verticallyx and the QB is young.

I have blamed coaches enough over 10 years. Comes down to players. Coaches gotta be more creative here, Ut end of day get open and make a play.

Can the WRs throw a block once in a while on those WR screens?
Our wide receivers should watch MIchigan's wr downfield blocking and hopefully learn from it. About as good as it gets.
 
Why does every OC have to be a genius?

It comes down to players. I like UConn’s offensive design, much better than what we saw previous two years where it felt like they were just calling plays and had no philosophy. Issue with Charlton’s offense is no one can get open verticallyx and the QB is young.

I have blamed coaches enough over 10 years. Comes down to players. Coaches gotta be more creative here, Ut end of day get open and make a play.

Can the WRs throw a block once in a while on those WR screens?
Um....I didn't say he had to be a genius...I was just answering why he has the genius reputation.

But...I think you are letting Charlton off the hook too easy. He has to either figure out a way to coach up players to "get open and make a play"...or he has to design plays that succeed despite the team's deficiencies.

I am not saying Charlton sucks because they aren't passing for 300 yards a game. But I do think it's fair to question him when they only pass for 24 yards.

Circumstances are extreme....and he needs time...but it's fair to question.
 
I don't get wanting the staff to ask players to execute plays they don't think the players are capable of executing. It would be like asking the basketball team, on a night they are getting blown out and can't get anything going inside, having Sanogo start chucking up threes just because nothing else is working.
I have to say, not exactly. We are asking wide receivers to catch footballs. The idea is not so much they will break open every time. The idea is you take pressure off the box because they have to cover, because if they do get lazy and cheat, then our second class WRs are perfectly capable of catching a deep pass. The same goes with the mid-range passing. Simply using your TEs to block and release and move 12 yards down field behind the LBs forces them to back off the LOS and hold. A few passes behind the LBs does wonders. They simply have to account for a possible releasing TE. This is hugely effective in a play action. None of these things were done, and they are perfectly executable. Where I do agree is Zion can’t throw in small windows. So, what’s “open” is a function of QB accuracy and ability to put the ball where it must be when there is small separation. Final thought on this point. I am amazed how none of the guys were taught any back shoulder techniques. When you can’t beat man coverage, underthrowing to the back shoulder can work wonders.
 
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I have to say, not exactly. We are asking wide receivers to catch footballs. The idea is not so much they will break open every time. The idea is you take pressure off the box because they have to cover, because if they do get lazy and cheat, then our second class WRs are perfectly capable of catching a deep pass. The same goes with the mid-range passing. Simply using your TEs to block and release and move 12 yards down field behind the LBs forces them to back off the LOS and hold. A few passes behind the LBs does wonders. They simply have to account for a possible releasing TE. This is hugely effective in a play action. None of these things were done, and they are perfectly executable. Where I do agree is Zion can’t throw in small windows. So, what’s “open” is a function of QB accuracy and ability to put the ball where it must be when there is small separation. Final thought on this point. I am amazed how none of the guys were taught any back shoulder techniques. When you can’t beat man coverage, underthrowing to the back shoulder can work wonders.

No one is doubting that to have an effective offense you have to be able to throw the ball down the field at least somewhat. You are assuming that our unwillingness to do so is based on something other than knowing our personnel isn't good enough to execute it. I believe that the more rational assumption is that the coaches have tried it in practice and know we aren't good enough to do it.
 
Our wide receivers should watch MIchigan's wr downfield blocking and hopefully learn from it. About as good as it gets.
I agree. Multiple times, the bigger wide receivers from Michigan sealed off the UConn defenders from even making a play on Michigan receiver who just caught the ball and ran outside. Unfortunately, I believe that Fitzgerald was one of the better blockers and he just got injured.
 
No one is doubting that to have an effective offense you have to be able to throw the ball down the field at least somewhat. You are assuming that our unwillingness to do so is based on something other than knowing our personnel isn't good enough to execute it. I believe that the more rational assumption is that the coaches have tried it in practice and know we aren't good enough to do it.

I agree with this. The coaches know better than anyone on this board 1) what plays win games and 2) what plays our team can execute.
 
No one is doubting that to have an effective offense you have to be able to throw the ball down the field at least somewhat. You are assuming that our unwillingness to do so is based on something other than knowing our personnel isn't good enough to execute it. I believe that the more rational assumption is that the coaches have tried it in practice and know we aren't good enough to do it.
Let's see. The coaches determine that players (even with good scheme) can't execute down field passes so that's off the table.
Coaches determine that can execute short passing game and running offense without down field passing. Play game and get 24 yards passing and 84 yards rushing on 33 rushes.
Now coaches are preparing for NCST. Not sure how after Michigan game could come up with plan all of a sudden to be able to pass down field so guess that is off the table still. So how do they run the current offense with no down field passing, whatever the plan was it didn't work against Michigan. NCST is not Michigan but neither are they CCSU.
The answer is you can't run the offense without down field passing and/or running QB. That would be my dilemma if I was coaching, luckily these guys are professional coaches and I'm just some guy posting semi-nonsense on the BY.
 
i think the wr thing is all aboot a failure on the equipment manager coach. that makes twice. last year shoes, and this year the lack of providing them with brass knuckles for one hand, and a can of mace for the other in order to help them get open. and don't ask how they are supposed to catch the ball with that stuff, since, obviously, they just drop the mace after firing it when the ball is heading their way. ezpz.
now, that's separation.

and why aren't our guys wearing kevlar, toe to noggin?
signed, someone not completely apoplectic over losing to much better teams, yet concerned aboot not having the right stuff. fire him, and hire that robocop guy, or the 6 million dollar guy, or tony stark.
 
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