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OT: Brad Stevens Resigns and becomes GM/Ainge Resigning - Potential New Cs HC?

the Q said:


Apparently hiring Brad wasn’t the best move

This is an awful trade
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Seems like the celtics just wanted to dump his contract. I think OKC made out on this deal especially with the first round pick.
 
rollskies said:
Seems like the celtics just wanted to dump his contract. I think OKC made out on this deal especially with the first round pick.
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That pick is as valuable as the Celtics last two picks where they got Romeo and nes.
 
the Q said:
That pick is as valuable as the Celtics last two picks where they got Romeo and nes.
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I think Nesmith is going to be very good. We know he can shoot and he's a + defender. Just takes time. I don't see Langford working out. I hate giving up the pick, but Al plugs into that 4 spot we knew they needed to fill to shift Tatum to 3 and Brown to 2. I expect they will bring the Israeli PG in.
 
husky429 said:
YES. He is the new runaway candidate.

He's only 61 so I doubt he's leaving the profession for good. He still has 5 or 6 years in his tanks minimum.

He's the coach that can get this group to the finals.
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Just saw this

 
HuskyHawk said:
Just saw this

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Idiots.

They deserve Tatum and brown demanding out with the clown car show they’ve put out the last few years
 
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the Q said:
Idiots.

They deserve Tatum and brown demanding out with the clown car show they’ve put out the last few years
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More details. I get why they'd want a younger former player. I honestly don't think they want a 61 year old white guy, or any white guy.

 
HuskyHawk said:
More details. I get why they'd want a younger former player. I honestly don't think they want a 61 year old white guy, or any white guy.

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There’s a word for the Attitude your describing, and it’s not even stupidity (although that also fits)…
 
HuskyHawk said:
More details. I get why they'd want a younger former player. I honestly don't think they want a 61 year old white guy, or any white guy
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I really would prefer someone other than Billups. Sure, he's famous... but he's been an assistant coach for ONE YEAR. I just can't trust a guy with that resume to lead a team to the finals like Boston wants.

I like both Udoka and Ham.
 
husky429 said:
I really would prefer someone other than Billups. Sure, he's famous... but he's been an assistant coach for ONE YEAR. I just can't trust a guy with that resume to lead a team to the finals like Boston wants.

I like both Udoka and Ham.
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Ham is in my top 5.

I also wouldn’t hate cassell..
 
the Q said:
Ham is in my top 5.

I also wouldn’t hate cassell..
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Cassell would be my preference out of them all. The tweet is missing one name (since 4 were mentioned above)... I would guess it's him.
 
husky429 said:
I really would prefer someone other than Billups. Sure, he's famous... but he's been an assistant coach for ONE YEAR. I just can't trust a guy with that resume to lead a team to the finals like Boston wants.

I like both Udoka and Ham.
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Considering multiple rookie head coaches recently have won the title (and Nash can do it this year), I think the value of an X's and O's savant head coach or in general a coach with a lot of experience is as low as it has ever been.

You get an army of assistants and trainers and analytics staffers basically doing all that for you.

You just need a CEO and a guy that can get buy-in. A really good X's and O's guy might get you an extra round or two, but once you're in the conference semi-finals, it seems to be almost all about the Joe's at that point.
 
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auror said:
Considering multiple rookie head coaches recently have won the title (and Nash can do it this year), I think the value of an X's and O's savant head coach or in general a coach with a lot of experience is as low as it has ever been.

You get an army of assistants and trainers and analytics staffers basically doing all that for you.

You just need a CEO and a guy that can get buy-in. A really good X's and O's guy might get you an extra round or two, but once you're in the conference semi-finals, it seems to be almost all about the Joe's at that point.
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yes teams lead by Lebron and kawhi and both beat warriors teams not at full strength

meanwhile the Celtics just made a major downgrade talent wise and gave up their best trade asset to not pay the tax

this is apples and sheet metal
 
HuskyHawk said:
More details. I get why they'd want a younger former player. I honestly don't think they want a 61 year old white guy, or any white guy.

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You wouldn’t want Stephen A Smith going on another rant. I think Carlisle takes a year off and does tv for a year then gets back into coaching.
 
the Q said:
yes teams lead by Lebron and kawhi and both beat warriors teams not at full strength

meanwhile the Celtics just made a major downgrade talent wise and gave up their best trade asset to not pay the tax

this is apples and sheet metal
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The same warriors team that won it all with first year head coach Steve Kerr? I think it will and should be Billups or Cassell.

Celtics fans are delusional if they think they're a title contender now. Good news is they have 2 young very good pieces and are in decent position to improve over the next 2-3 yrs
 
bballgrda said:
The same warriors team that won it all with first year head coach Steve Kerr? I think it will and should be Billups or Cassell.

Celtics fans are delusional if they think they're a title contender now. Good news is they have 2 young very good pieces and are in decent position to improve over the next 2-3 yrs
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I agree they’re not a contender. Which why pretending that nurse or lue apply here is absurd
 
the Q said:
There’s a word for the Attitude your describing, and it’s not even stupidity (although that also fits)…
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husky429 said:
I really would prefer someone other than Billups. Sure, he's famous... but he's been an assistant coach for ONE YEAR. I just can't trust a guy with that resume to lead a team to the finals like Boston wants.

I like both Udoka and Ham.
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Not sure what the “word” is. I think they want a guy who will appeal to the players on the team. Most likely that means a younger black ex player. And for a team that has had image problems in this area (despite having lots of successful black coaches), I find it highly likely that they want to go in that direction. Do you think I’m wrong in interpreting how the team probably sees this?

Udoka is quite interesting. Short playing career, but learned from the best. Shouldn’t matter, but he’s a handsome guy who looks good in a suit. Billlups will get a good look but I am also not sold. He was a great player, but haven’t seen enough as a coach.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Not sure what the “word” is. I think they want a guy who will appeal to the players on the team. Most likely that means a younger black ex player. And for a team that has had image problems in this area (despite having lots of successful black coaches), I find it highly likely that they want to go in that direction. Do you think I’m wrong in interpreting how the team probably sees this?

Udoka is quite interesting. Short playing career, but learned from the best. Shouldn’t matter, but he’s a handsome guy who looks good in a suit. Billlups will get a good look but I am also not sold. He was a great player, but haven’t seen enough as a coach.
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Udoka is approaching the top of my list the more I read.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Not sure what the “word” is. I think they want a guy who will appeal to the players on the team. Most likely that means a younger black ex player. And for a team that has had image problems in this area (despite having lots of successful black coaches), I find it highly likely that they want to go in that direction. Do you think I’m wrong in interpreting how the team probably sees this?

Udoka is quite interesting. Short playing career, but learned from the best. Shouldn’t matter, but he’s a handsome guy who looks good in a suit. Billlups will get a good look but I am also not sold. He was a great player, but haven’t seen enough as a coach.
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Imagine the Yankees saying that because the majority of baseball players are white they will only look at hiring white managers.

Boston has done exactly the same thing.
 
the Q said:
Imagine the Yankees saying that because the majority of baseball players are white they will only look at hiring white managers.

Boston has done exactly the same thing.
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They haven't said it or admitted to doing it. The reality is that if you hire mostly ex players as coaches, then most of the coaches won't be white. And a lot of the white coaches won't be Americans.

I'm not sure what people are upset about. The players run things in the NBA, the star players in particular. No other sport is similar really. They will get what they want. You aren't attracting free agents otherwise.
 
the Q said:
Imagine the Yankees saying that because the majority of baseball players are white they will only look at hiring white managers.

Boston has done exactly the same thing.
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That isn't what's been going on for the last 100 years? Have the Yankees ever had a black manager? Not a Yankee fan so I don't know but I'd certainly guess the tenure of white Yankee managers is above 95%. Probably a higher % of players that have been black.
We are just trying to level the playing field boss.
 
@the Q have you seen this? WEEI is reporting on it now. Their conclusion is that it's clear that Brad Stevens was fired.

At season’s end, multiple sources close to the players said several members of the locker room were welcoming a coaching change, noting Stevens did not appear to hold key players accountable, with complaints he was favoring Smart over others. The common refrain was that the team should hire a person of color with NBA playing experience to coach, something Stevens seems to be addressing with Chauncey Billups, Ime Udoka and Darvin Ham getting second interviews, as first reported by ESPN.

It’s unclear if and how a new coach would empower Smart. With Horford back, there at least are two voices with experienced postseason leadership, with Horford happy to be the calm presence while Smart continues to be a firebrand. Though Walker was revered by his teammates, his ability to effect change with his voice was naturally undercut by his struggles to match it on the floor.
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An inside look at the factors that led to the inevitable break up between Kemba Walker and the Celtics – The Athletic​

 
Latest is two main candidates. Udoka and Billups. Billups has others chasing him. Hoping Udoka is the guy, as I think he's the best choice.

“According to my sources right now, there are two names that have really emerged and one of them we don’t know if the Celtics can get, which is Chauncey Billups,” Goodman said. “He’s also in the equation in Portland, maybe in the equation as well in New Orleans. The other name that’s hot right now is Ime Udoka, the Nets assistant coach. He’s been in San Antonio. He’s a guy who’s coached Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Marcus Smart a few years ago in 2019 in the World Championships. Those guys have kind of — not gone to bat for him, but certainly spoken highly of Udoka.
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Celtics Rumors: Two Candidates 'Have Really Emerged' In Coach Search (nesn.com)
 
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the Q said:
I heard ham was the third finalist.
He’d be my choice out this half-assed search
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Hilarious to think you know more about the candidates than those conducting this "half-assed" search. Judging head coaches as a an outside observer is hard enough. No idea how one thinks they could glean any insight on assistants.
 
Wonderful Duke education..

 
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