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Bouknight - What’s best for him?

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BigErnMcCracken said:
you think Ben Gordon’s post retirement mental health issues are related to his decision to come out after his junior year?
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We have Kolumbo blaming Gordon's mental health issues on going to the NBA after his junior year and jibsey thinking Bouknight is basing his decision off of posters on the boneyard saying he should go.
 
DeAndre Daniels and Daniel Hamilton.... Where are they now? Did either ever play a single game in the league? Dre has played in Australia since he got cut, and Hamilton is now in Turkey....

Yes, they are getting paid, but they probably would have done better if they each had stayed longer. I do not see Bouk doing much better if he leaves now.
 
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Chief00 said:
Do I think he as I would have at age 20 - benefit from another year of structure - this time not interrupted by suspension, injury or covid interruptions - absolutely!
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Chief00 said:
You might want to listen to guys who actually went through the process and respect their experience and point of view, as Chief has.
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The NBA has structure. This isn't 1994. It's not even 2006. The NBA improved the transition process immensely. Ray Allen himself usually speaks at the transition program.

His team will invest in him. The owners these days are pretty much all savvy business people who know they need to invest in their assets. Personal trainers, team nutritionists, and usually personal chefs. Countless strength and training staff. Business and brand training. Social media training. NBA teams are now also required to have mental health staff.

He won't be any significantly less lonely or more ready for the NBA travel schedule if he leaves at age 21 vs. age 20. But he will be graded more harshly and will have to meet much higher standards and benchmarks by NBA front offices. He will have to absolutely dominate college basketball next season. Could he? Sure. But he's already passed those benchmarks this season. There's 0 reason to risk it.

Additionally, the money for the 30th pick has doubled since 2006. Bouk will make a minimum of $8.2 million and more likely in the $13-18 million (pick #15 or #8) for his first 4 years. The money is literally too good to pass up.
 
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August_West said:
Yeah this guy ineligible for boneyard hanging because of lawsuit threats and everyone middle school bullies him.
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Could you show me where I threaten a lawsuit?
And checked with @Deepster if I told him to exempt me from a hanging?

And yeah, that’s why I take positions I know 80% of people will be against - because I don’t want people to disagree with me.

Jim Calhoun would say - Are you really that stupid? I will just say you are wrong on all three points. Strike three.
 
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Really strange to bring up Rudy and Donyell- two dudes who had(and one who is still having) long NBA careers. But then again I've never been in the middle urinal between those two, so what do I know?
 
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If I was reading a different teams message board and I saw them creating 10 different threads to lambaste their own team’s potential lottery pick, I would think very very little of that fan base. Not a good look at all.
 
alphasigko said:
DeAndre Daniels and Daniel Hamilton.... Where are they now? Did either ever play a single game in the league? Dre has played in Australia since he got cut, and Hamilton is now in Turkey....

Yes, they are gettinf paid, but they probably would have done better if they each had stayed longer. I do not see Bouk doing much better if he leaves now.
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Why are you just throwing out names? Where's Jeremy Lamb right now? Where's Rudy Gay?

Daniels nor Hamilton was projected 1st round picks, let alone consenus lottery picks. Neither was in the same stratosphere as Bouk athletically.
 
Three pages in and no one has brought up the truth.

Making a Final Four does nothing for you as an NBA prospect.

This isn't Lew Alcindor's UCLA. Bouk's value is at a point where college cannot increase his position.....even if he leads us to a national championship. See Ja Morant. He had a 2nd rd loss last year and it didn't hurt him in the least.
 
Chief00 said:
It’s yet another Bouknight thread, and yes there have been too many with the well meaning Casual Fan conventional wisdom that he should grab the quick bucks rather than invest in a profitable long term career and growth in himself.

Chief remembers Donyell saying how difficult his rookie year was off the court. As I recall, the rookie salary cap was going into effect the next year, so despite really wanting to stay in school, Donyell left school. What he found was that home practices and games were tough because the married players went home and he was lonely. Quite frankly, Donyell actually liked the road better since at least the team was at the same hotel. Either way the age difference mattered. At that age a year or two matters. Rudy Gay said similar things as Donyell.

For Bouknight it’s even more complicated, because he’s not had a true basketball statement of work (SOW) and the information many are relying on to state their opinion, is outdated information. Like Donyell he enjoys the UConn experience. Additionally, James has things he can work on in terms of maturity, conditioning /weight room and on the court. It’s in his interest to come back.
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This is hilarious. Pour out your beer and go to bed. What a silly post.
 
superjohn said:
We have Kolumbo blaming Gordon's mental health issues on going to the NBA after his junior year and jibsey thinking Bouknight is basing his decision off of posters on the boneyard saying he should go.
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You embarrass only yourself. Try reading, if it's in your toolbox, post #55.
 
rollskies said:
Believe it or not, you can still develop physically after you leave for a draft at 21 years old.

Here are some other names of players projected in the lottery that need to develop physically: Jalen Green, Zaire Williams, Evan Mobley just off the top of my head. I’m sure there are more.

I know that Bouknight and Scottie Barnes aren’t even remotely similar players, my point was, Scottie Barnes is no where near a finished product and he is still projected high first round.

I don’t know why people are acting like you leave for the draft and can’t be developed after that. Have you seen pictures of NBA players when they first get drafted? I can think of so many players who were stick figures when they got drafted and are now doing great in the league, and have benefit from NBA strength coaches.
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Every year the vast majority of guys drafted need to work on their bodies, that's really not the point I'm trying to make. What I'm saying is out of all the people you just listed, bouknight has by far the one with most work to do. The most concerning thing for me was his inability to keep he feet under him, and how he was always picking himself off the floor, and (despite what the college only viewers will say) the NBA plays much tougher form defense and you need to be physically ready.
 
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TheRealKBuks said:
Yes people do develop in the NBA, but the NBA moves on from people very quickly if they aren't ready to contribute. There are very few second chances for guys that aren't ready immediately.
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This is a ridiculous statement. It's a league that drafts young players--19/20-year-olds--banking on their development. Can you give me a few examples of lottery picks who didn't get a second chance or adequate time to develop?
 
rollskies said:
If I was reading a different teams message board and I saw them creating 10 different threads to lambaste their own team’s potential lottery pick, I would think very very little of that fan base. Not a good look at all.
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Who's lambasting? I see a lot of praise mixed with honest criticism.
 
rollskies said:
If I was reading a different teams message board and I saw them creating 10 different threads to lambaste their own team’s potential lottery pick, I would think very very little of that fan base. Not a good look at all.
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This hasn't been our best offseason. This thread is the basketball equivalent of shooting 21-65 from the floor.
 
Lefty2one said:
This is a ridiculous statement. It's a league that drafts young players--19/20-year-olds--banking on their development. Can you give me a few examples of lottery picks who didn't get a second chance or adequate time to develop
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Ben McLemore (probably the most concerning comparison)
Xavier Henry
Noah Vonleh
Jahlil Okafor (already mentioned)
Brandon Knight
Josh Selby
 
Of all the takes going on in this thread, I'm most amazed at the people who don't think Bouk can contribute, as in not even a bench piece, next season.
 
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TheRealKBuks said:
Who's lambasting? I see a lot of praise mixed with honest criticism.
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There have been 15 threads about this. Just wish people would talk about what he actually needs to improve on without saying he isn’t ready to be treated like an adult. That’s all. If people want to talk about areas of improvement, completely fine with me.

I have seen some pretty nasty comments from UConn “fans” on twitter about him. It’s really disappointing.

If you are talking about areas of improvement, perfectly fine. Just feels like the board is beating a dead horse by creating a new thread about it every single day.
 
Lefty2one said:
Of all the takes going on in this thread, I'm most amazed at the people who don't think Bouk can contribute, as in not even a bench piece, next season.
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No one is saying he can't contribute, the discussion is what is the best decision for maximizing career earnings in total
 
August_West said:
Yeah this guy ineligible for boneyard hanging because of lawsuit threats and everyone middle school bullies him.

shaking my damn head.
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It's amazing, but is what it is I guess.
 
August_West said:
Maybe that is true, maybe not. Point being no one should be protected and off limits if you post on yard. Especially if you make a huge deal about quitting threatening to put site out of business and come back.
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For all @Deepster 's flaws, I'm sure he knew what was right.
 
TheRealKBuks said:
No one is saying he can't contribute, the discussion is what is the best decision for maximizing career earnings in total
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Maybe it would be better for his career earnings if he stayed, but the thing is, there is no way to know that, so you have to take the 8ish million dollars now and hope it’s for the best. You just can’t risk coming back and getting injured again when the money is available now, no matter where he gets drafted. I agree that in a perfect world, he would benefit from another year of development, but unfortunately that’s just not how it works anymore.
 
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JakeTheDog said:
Really strange to bring up Rudy and Donyell- two dudes who had(and one who is still having) long NBA careers. But then again I've never been in the middle urinal between those two, so what do I know?
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They know The League and could put things in perspective. This focus many have on rushing out one year earlier is silly. Do it the right way and one that a player is comfortable that he has gotten what he’s needed out of college for him. Not some Internet poster who claims he knows where a guy is going to be drafted and what’s best for his life.
 
Deepster said:
Three pages in and no one has brought up the truth.

Making a Final Four does nothing for you as an NBA prospect.

This isn't Lew Alcindor's UCLA. Bouk's value is at a point where college cannot increase his position.....even if he leads us to a national championship. See Ja Morant. He had a 2nd rd loss last year and it didn't hurt him in the least.
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Are you saying it didn’t help Rip, Emeka, Kemba or Bazz?
 
djct1999 said:
Looking forward to the next thread after Bouk announces he is gone.
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everyone is wishing him well. I have said that nothing would make me happier than to eat a tasty crow sandwich if he is selected in the lottery. We are all just sharing our opinions on the status of his game.

I haven't seen anyone trashing him, calling him names, or saying he is not an NBA player (He is). I have seen honest criticisms that Bouknight will certainly hear from NBA scouts as he test the draft waters.

I promise you (minus any trolls) if he declares we will all be wishing him nothing but the best and hope he makes multiple all star games and hundreds of millions of dollars.

As one of the few posters saying he should come back, I am stating what I think is the best way to make the most money over his career. He will be listening to people significantly more informed than this entire board combined and I will respect and root for whatever decision he makes.

Edit: After re-reading some post I take back my first sentence. I'm personally am wishing Bouk the best and proud of what he's done. I hope his work at UConn isn't finished but look forward to seeing him at the next level whenever he decides to go.
 
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TheRealKBuks said:
No one is saying he can't contribute, the discussion is what is the best decision for maximizing career earnings in total
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The best decision for maximizing career earnings for Bouk is to leave for the NBA. That’s it. It’s really that simple.
 
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