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Sea Goat said:
Exactly! Do we want to be part of a conference that was driven to exclude us from expansion for petty and self-centered reasons? I say NO! I do recognize that the B1G would be the ideal situation, but I don't see it happening as Delany still has to cope with the Jersey dumpster fire. Sure if we were without any other option for a P5 spot, the ACC would be great, but now I prefer the Big 12 to the ACC. I see long term problems with the ACC and don't want to have to scramble again in a few years with the likes of BC and Syracuse.
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I don't understand how any UConn fan can be picky at this point. Now if Conferences were drooling all over us than I would get it but right now it's obvious outside of our own minds that is not true. At this point if the ACC called and said the only way we could join is if we changed from Huskies to Gooches...well then fight on Gooches!
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC is not getting raided.

I will say that I think we are getting our answer on whether the ACC still wants UConn. Boren is all but putting our name on the Big 12 website, and there is not so much as a sniff from the ACC that I am aware of. They do move quietly, but it has been months and the ACC is about to lose UConn forever. If they cared, you would think something would be happening by now, or at least very soon.
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OK ... I think you are an idiot. The ACC is the most senseless group of strategic thinking. Regularly doing stuff that is Old School Odd.
 
businesslawyer said:
Seriously? Because if no one is watching, eventually the cable providers won't pay as much for the content. As well as it effects advertising revenue on the network.
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Um, you do realize I was baiting a troll, correct?
 
You'd have to think the B12 learned from the ACC and they'll likely focus on the schools that cut off their competitors (UConn, Cincy) and leave the others (UH, FL directionals, Memphis, BYU) for a later date. No way the ACC, SEC or BIG moves on any of the schools in the parenthetical, probably ever. There are only 2 programs left, IMO, that appeal to more than 1 conference.
 
This is about SPORTS ... right?

As we see with both Rutgers and BC (and to some extent Cuse as well), you need to build an Athletic Department that has BRAND name Programs that people want to watch; that's a capacity to do things right and attract a fan base. Purely eyeballs should not take the day; though, the B1G did do that ... and it was defensible (til it wasn't). UConn has the BEST Women's Program; the most successful Men's CBB Program; Hockey that went from zero to 60 in a nano ... top ten in attendance; a Football Program that ... in spite of PP ... can rise; and a solid Academic climb over the last 20 years. And people say Temple or Houston or UCF or Memphis? You have markets - ok - and you have PRODUCT. Value them. Or go to the pull-it-out-of -the -seat-of - your- method when you listen to DeFillippo and Shalala.
 
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Pudge said:
This is about SPORTS ... right?

As we see with both Rutgers and BC (and to some extent Cuse as well), you need to build an Athletic Department that has BRAND name Programs that people want to watch; that's a capacity to do things right and attract a fan base. Purely eyeballs should not take the day; though, the B1G did do that ... and it was defensible (til it wasn't). UConn has the BEST Women's Program; the most successful Men's CBB Program; Hockey that went from zero to 60 in a nano ... top ten in attendance; a Football Program that ... in spite of PP ... can rise; and a solid Academic climb over the last 20 years. And people say Temple or Houston or UCF or Memphis? You have markets - ok - and you have PRODUCT. Value them. Or go to the pull-it-out-of -the -seat-of - your- method when you listen to DeFillippo and Shalala.
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Its long past being simply about Sports...or haven't you noticed...Boise FB....If only about sports don't complain about Louisville.....
 
FartMan69 said:
I don't understand how any UConn fan can be picky at this point. Now if Conferences were drooling all over us than I would get it but right now it's obvious outside of our own minds that is not true. At this point if the ACC called and said the only way we could join is if we changed from Huskies to Gooches...well then fight on Gooches!
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Look, please don't misunderstand - we need to take the first P5 offer. After the Titantic went down, I wouldn't be the guy swimming from lifeboat to lifeboat seeing if I liked those already on board!
 
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Mr. Conehead said:
And if one is BC basketball, every day ending with the letter 'y' is a day or rest (0-12 in ACC play).
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Rutgers and BC - combined 0-25 in conference play - remember nobody is worthless - you can always serve as a bad example...
 
NC_Uconn_Fan said:
That's old testament.
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For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So yeah, Christians, start not shaving and not eating shellfish while you're at it.
 
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I do not understand why some BY posters seem to think UConn to the ACC is better than going to the B12 with a network.

If the B12 gets a network the only conference without a network is the ACC. Coincidentally the ACC also has the most programs which are coveted by the other conferences. Financial weak conferences with attractive programs only end up one way...picked apart.

The ACC has been protected by B12 instability. Bottom line - teams like FSU and Clemson have no other conference with network options (SEC/BIG) despite their on the field football success. But, if the B12 expands and gets a network, it is probably just a matter of time before ACC teams jump. And, once one ACC team leaves it will cause a feeding frenzy with the ACC getting attacked by the BIG, SEC and B12. Every team in the ACC will have to jump or potentially be left without a seat in the new P4.... Oh and our former BE mates will be the big losers.

With a B12 network, how much more money does an addition of FSU/Clemson add to the B12? The B12 subscriber numbers will speak for themselves and since FSU/Clemson are directly competing in SEC country they need to keep up with the arms race. IMO FSU/Clemson are the first to bolt...they want to be in an SEC type environment and B12 network with them in it is much closer to an SEC environment with a lot more conference money.

The ACC is not getting a network regardless of whether they add UConn. As such, UConn is less valuable to the ACC. The ACC's decision to select Louisville confirmed building a network was not in their plans. The ACC has more fault lines than the USA pre-civil war: North versus South, football versus basketball, private schools versus public schools, academic first schools versus athletic first schools, add in a sweet heart deal for ND and plenty of internal division and power struggles between the pure football schools and the traditional tobacco road schools and you have a recipe for dissention. If the B12 builds a network and the ACC is left as the only non-network conference...start the countdown.

UConn has been down the road before as a member of imploding P5 conference. We want to be well away from the ACC if the B12 gets its house in order and builds a network. Yeah, I get UConn has to take the first offer we receive but I am pulling for the BIG or Big12 over the ACC. The ACC may have been where UConn once belonged but we've moved past that point.
 
Naw...The Big 12 for FSU would only come as a desperation move a'la WVU. The couple of FSU trustees that I have talked to aren't interested in playing in the Big 12...neither are the boosters when it is gabbed about at meetings.

FSU wants to play where our alumni live, where we recruit, where our students come from. They are a Florida and deep south team, with a definite southern eastern seaboard.

Nothing is happening to the ACC until 2015...and then we'll see. The whole football world may change by then.
 
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you guys really dont want to join the big 12, if im a uconn fan as painful as it is im waiting this out and hoping for a ticket to the acc once the big 12 implodes. heres how its going to happen, you can pin this if you want because this is 100% how its going down.

2 ACC schools to the SEC (nc state and v tech perhaps) texas and a few others to the pac 12, big ten will go with either oklahoma and kansas or unc and uva (or all 4) and then the rest of the big 12 will merge with the acc and add cincy , uconn and a few others.

book it.
 
Fishy said:
If the ACC and Big 12 will be forced to merge in your scenario, why would we want to spend the in-between years in the AAC instead of the Big 12?
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i guess good point, but im justing saying here you get into the big 12, and then it falls apart, its just more stress
 
billybud said:
until 2025....typo above
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I doubt that with the every changing landscape in the CFL. Things will not stay the same especially with the ACC not having a network will always keep them on the move and changing. So you are wrong if you think this is going to stay as is in the ACC for the next nine years
 
billybud said:
Naw...The Big 12 for FSU would only come as a desperation move a'la WVU. The couple of FSU trustees that I have talked to aren't interested in playing in the Big 12...neither are the boosters when it is gabbed about at meetings.

FSU wants to play where our alumni live, where we recruit, where our students come from. They are a Florida and deep south team, with a definite southern eastern seaboard.

Nothing is happening to the ACC until 2015...and then we'll see. The whole football world may change by then.
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I think you mean "nothing happens till 2025." BTW 2025 is not that far away and if it looks like the ACC is unstable, teams will jump sooner. No one wants to be left without a chair and the less desirable teams will need to move quicker or risk being left behind. Besides, if Swofford promised FSU an ACCN network and can't deliver then the GORS may be at issue. No point in arguing the legal issues on the GORS but to say the GOR secures the ACC till 2025 is not guaranteed.

As for FSU I am not saying they need to move their campus out of Tallahassee. FSU will still be a Florida team. My guess is FSU moves with Clemson, Miami, maybe even a VT (although VT will be an SEC target) or Louisville. What does FSU have in common with BC, Syracuse, WF or Duke? Why would there be loyalty to those programs?

The bottom line is FSU wants money and exposure for football. If a stable B12 with a network offers them more of both they'd be crazy not to leave especially if they take their biggest southern ACC rivals with them. FSU has been very public about threatening to leave the ACC in the past. Sadly UConn has been harmed by this FSU power play when the ACC selected Louisville. When teams threaten to leave that is usually a pretty good sign about their level of long term commitment.

FSU may not want to play in the Big12 now. But stabilize the conference, add a network, add a lot more money and an opportunity to bring their best ACC rivals along and then the equation changes. You may not agree but money talks....fans and booster opinions are secondary to the financials.

Now the question is whether the B12 can gets its house in order.....the above scenario requires a lot of "ifs"
 
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