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Bobol said:
The grass is not always greener in another conference.
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I'm not sure what's not greener outside the wasteland that the Pac-12 is becoming. They've always had the late time zone as a hindrance when they had USC/UCLA. Take them out and possibly add SMU/SDSU? Good luck. If I'm those 4 corner schools, I already have the paperwork drawn up with the Big 12 and wait to see what the numbers are for the new Pac TV deal before signing it.

I also wonder how the Deion to CU hype plays into the increased appeal to that school now to a conference like the Big 12.
 
UCFBfan said:
I'm not sure what's not greener outside the wasteland that the Pac-12 is becoming. They've always had the late time zone as a hindrance when they had USC/UCLA. Take them out and possibly add SMU/SDSU? Good luck. If I'm those 4 corner schools, I already have the paperwork drawn up with the Big 12 and wait to see what the numbers are for the new Pac TV deal before signing it.

I also wonder how the Deion to CU hype plays into the increased appeal to that school now to a conference like the Big 12.
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The Big 12 had Colorado and they left. They'd have always wanted them back. The Big 12 has long coveted the two Arizona schools as well. I think they have buyer's remorse on Cinci and UCF, but Cinci football has been exceptional of late.
 
billybud said:
Ain't it amazing what an entertaining/marketing figure like Coach Prime can do for a brand ?

A one man brand , so to speak.
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Here is the thing with Colorado - One of two things will happen, both with the same end result.

Scenario 1 - Deion is a huge success at Colorado and turns the program around. An SEC or B1G school comes calling and offers him a contract he can’t refuse. Bye-Bye Colorado.

Scenario 2 - Deion crashes and burns after all the hype, much as Scott Frost did at Nebraska. Colorado terminates his contract.

Either way, Deion isn’t the coach at Colorado long term.

A third possible scenario is Deion is a .500 coach. Not winning championships, but not embarrassing the program either. In this scenario, he is the long term coach at Colorado. Not good enough for bigger programs to want and not bad enough to be fired.
 
Rufus said:
Here is the thing with Colorado - One of two things will happen, both with the same end result.

Scenario 1 - Deion is a huge success at Colorado and turns the program around. An SEC or B1G school comes calling and offers him a contract he can’t refuse. Bye-Bye Colorado.

Scenario 2 - Deion crashes and burns after all the hype, much as Scott Frost did at Nebraska. Colorado terminates his contract.

Either way, Deion isn’t the coach at Colorado long term.

A third possible scenario is Deion is a .500 coach. Not winning championships, but not embarrassing the program either. In this scenario, he is the long term coach at Colorado. Not good enough for bigger programs to want and not bad enough to be fired.
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Who cares? Colorado is and has been a solid program since Deion was in high school. It's always going to have some appeal.
 
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UCONNJACK said:
Colorado being a solid program? Check out their record for the 20 years.
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It doesn't matter. It's still a big name program. Most of the downturn came from joining the Pac to begin with. It made sense because they heavily recruited Los Angeles, that's how McCartney won a title there, but it hurt them elsewhere.
 
HuskyHawk said:
The Big 12 had Colorado and they left. They'd have always wanted them back. The Big 12 has long coveted the two Arizona schools as well. I think they have buyer's remorse on Cinci and UCF, but Cinci football has been exceptional of late.
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No way they have buyers remorse on Cincinnati. Houston is the least valuable by far of the new additions. Yes their basketball has been hot lately but they don't draw TV ratings and Houston doesn't really care about them. Cincinnati and UCF give them more value due to ratings and the fact they're in the eastern time zone. BYU also opens a new time zone and national following. Houston is another team in the central time zone in a state they have well covered.
 
Slasher said:
No way they have buyers remorse on Cincinnati. Houston is the least valuable by far of the new additions. Yes their basketball has been hot lately but they don't draw TV ratings and Houston doesn't really care about them. Cincinnati and UCF give them more value due to ratings and the fact they're in the eastern time zone. BYU also opens a new time zone and national following. Houston is another team in the central time zone in a state they have well covered.
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The B12 Ideally would dump every school east of Iowa State and merge with the P12. If they hadn't expanded and didn't already have WVU, that's what would probably happen. WVU, UCF and Cinci make it harder to expand west.
 
Slasher said:
No way they have buyers remorse on Cincinnati. Houston is the least valuable by far of the new additions. Yes their basketball has been hot lately but they don't draw TV ratings and Houston doesn't really care about them. Cincinnati and UCF give them more value due to ratings and the fact they're in the eastern time zone. BYU also opens a new time zone and national following. Houston is another team in the central time zone in a state they have well covered.
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I think they took Houston because it was the best of what was left. You're correct that they have Texas well covered but Houston is a giant metro area. Baylor and TTech are western TX schools (I think Waco is more west) TCU is in Dallas but they needed a foothold in Houston and they aren't a school that's going to hurt adding them.
 
UCFBfan said:
I think they took Houston because it was the best of what was left. You're correct that they have Texas well covered but Houston is a giant metro area. Baylor and TTech are western TX schools (I think Waco is more west) TCU is in Dallas but they needed a foothold in Houston and they aren't a school that's going to hurt adding them.
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They took Houston so no one else can. If Houston was still in the AAC, they would be next up in the PAC with SDSU.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
The B12 Ideally would dump every school east of Iowa State and merge with the P12. If they hadn't expanded and didn't already have WVU, that's what would probably happen. WVU, UCF and Cinci make it harder to expand west.
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That's your wish but the Big 12 never wanted that. Going back to 2011 the Big 12 has always looked liked East because that's where the strong markets and fanbases are so no, they don't have buyer's remorse. I also don't think that it hurt their ability to expand West.
 
dayooper said:
They took Houston so no one else can. If Houston was still in the AAC, they would be next up in the PAC with SDSU.
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I agree. I think that they also added Houston because they're banking on Houston igniting a fire now that they have a P5 tag and taking control of that market. That's something worth betting on.
 
Bobol said:
The grass is not always greener in another conference.
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It is where football is concerned. Given where the B12 medial deal is going, the tv prospects for a basketball only conference next time around are not good. The P12, or what is left of it as I believe it's only a matter of time before some of them join the B12, is looking at streaming and it has football. Having to go to a streaming platform is going to eliminate the casual fan. Not good.
 
Slasher said:
No way they have buyers remorse on Cincinnati. Houston is the least valuable by far of the new additions. Yes their basketball has been hot lately but they don't draw TV ratings and Houston doesn't really care about them. Cincinnati and UCF give them more value due to ratings and the fact they're in the eastern time zone. BYU also opens a new time zone and national following. Houston is another team in the central time zone in a state they have well covered.
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I'd agree, they were smart to lock up sizeable metropolitan markets. Lots of tv sets in those areas and tv viewership is not a perfect science. They're big strong schools enrollment wise and easy to travel to. They also were astute in landing Yomark. He knows how to drive the bus.
 
TheCatsLair said:
That's your wish but the Big 12 never wanted that. Going back to 2011 the Big 12 has always looked liked East because that's where the strong markets and fanbases are so no, they don't have buyer's remorse. I also don't think that it hurt their ability to expand West.
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LOL. Yes, that's what they wanted after they lost Missouri and Nebraska (and Arkansas before that). The remaining teams looked west, not east. Do you even know anyone in the area or associated with it? They realized that north was B10, south was SEC and mid-Atlantic was ACC. Unfortunately, the Pac was and is a snobby conference and they sealed their own doom by not merging sooner.
 
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buddy said:
The Big 12 should add UConn and USF and Memphis to create an eastern division, with say, KU, Cinci, WVU, Iowa State. When the ACC implodes, take the remnants, except for BC. Let them go to the AAC.
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The UCF - USF combo is the secret sleeping giant. Those two programs in the Big 12 would be a boon for both of the schools and for the conference. The rivalry between the students, the fan bases, the recruiting, Big 12 playing so many games in Florida and Texas. Stretching it up to New England would be pure genius.
 
Kolumbo said:
The UCF - USF combo is the secret sleeping giant. Those two programs in the Big 12 would be a boon for both of the schools and for the conference. The rivalry between the students, the fan bases, the recruiting, Big 12 playing so many games in Florida and Texas. Stretching it up to New England would be pure genius.
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I forgot to add UCF. I agree with you.
 
TheCatsLair said:
That's your wish but the Big 12 never wanted that. Going back to 2011 the Big 12 has always looked liked East because that's where the strong markets and fanbases are so no, they don't have buyer's remorse. I also don't think that it hurt their ability to expand West.
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I don't believe that The Big 12 ever looked East because of the markets, but instead looked to where all of the movement was happening. First during the destruction of The BE2.0 by ESPN/ACC Raids they were able to grab WVU. They desperately needed a name football program to replace one of the 3 departing schools going to The SEC and B1G. The second time was after The B1G grabbed UMD and was pushing hard for UNC and UVA. The Big 12 believed, and maybe accurately, that FSU and Clemson might fall in their lap. We all know what happened with Louisville to The ACC and their eventual GOR.

Through all this time no one believed that The PAC was a potential target for realignment. They were viewed as safe due to their geography, homogeneous membership, and long history together. It took an 800 LB Gorilla with a chainsaw for a **** to destroy that narrative. Prior to The B1G cutting the heart out of The PAC, people discussed the idea of The PAC grabbing the best of The Big 12 to potentially go to 16 Teams and get TV Windows in another time zone. JMO but had The B1G preceded The SEC in making their move by grabbing USC/UCLA first, The 8 Team Big 12 would have likely approached the 10 Team PAC regarding a potential merger, scheduling agreement or one side or the other would have attempted to poach from the other. I know you disagree, but there is no chance in Hell that The Big 12 is taking UCF, Cincy, BYU, and UH if UA, ASU, CU, and UU were on the table.
 
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All the reasons why I said joining a conference and not being independent are listed above in your three tweets. I don't remember what thread I responded to with my comment but someone mentioned not wanting to give up independence. I said that I'd give it up to go to the ACC in a heartbeat so we'd be guaranteed a schedule that looks similar to those every year instead.of our schedule this year and ESPECIALLY next year's home slate.
 
Baylor AD Mack Rhoades: Big 12 must be ready for 'movement' from Pac-12 schools if media negotiations collapse

The Pac-12 Conference has yet to have reached a new media rights deal as the 2024 expiration looms for its existing contract. Reports suggest the conference, which already lost USC and UCLA to the Big Ten, effective 2024, could be forced to rely heavily on streaming in order to land a new deal valuable enough to satisfy its 10 remaining members. Should the Pac-12 schools even reject that and begin to look for new homes, Baylor athletic director Mack Rhoades hinted the Big 12 should be proactive in trying to lure some of those schools into the conference.

"I am certainly not rooting for the demise of any particular conference, but I am also looking out for what is best for Baylor and what is best for Baylor is a really really strong Big 12, and one that secures its future but not over just the next six years but beyond," Rhoades recently told 365 Sports. "There is a short gain but also a long gain for this. It is dependent on what happens among the Pac-12. There may be movement if whatever media deal they are able to strike is not satisfactory. We have to be prepared for that and I think we are if that was to happen. Again, looking out for the Big 12, how do we strengthen ourselves?”

Rhoades, Baylor's AD since 2016, took things a step further by suggesting the Big 12 can do some damage in closing the gap with the SEC and Big Ten — the two most valuable leagues in college athletics — if the Big 12 is able to continue on its current trajectory.

"There is so much about the SEC and the Big Ten, and there is no reason why the conversation can't be about the SEC, Big Ten and the Big 12," Rhoades added.

Though Baylor and the Big 12 have already secured a new TV deal, Rhoades said he would not be elated as an athletic director if presented a media deal featuring a streaming service as a primary partner. "It would be disappointing to be quite frank," Rhoades told 365 Sports. "Where I go first is the brand of the conference, which means impact on recruiting. Conversations with my head coaches, in terms of brand building and linear space — I know everyone talks about cord cutting, but (TV) is still the way people follow college athletics. If you think about not just the event itself but the shows throughout the week and even on game day. With FOX, you think about game day and their shows. I think it would be a big disappointment for the athletic directors and their coaches."

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The PAC12 is in huge trouble.

They’re not getting a deal without a GOR and no one is signing a GOR for a streaming deal or a low-ball linear deal.

I think we are on the verge of mayhem. If you thought UConn in the American was a weird fit, wait and see what happens to Stanford and the like.
 
I’m trying to figure out how this PAC situation can help us. I’m not seeing it. The B12 picks up who they want, Washington and Oregon go to the B10 and any remaining programs patch together something with MWC schools. It really seems like we need to wait for an ACC implosion and that may be 10 years off.
 
Fishy said:
The PAC12 is in huge trouble.

They’re not getting a deal without a GOR and no one is signing a GOR for a streaming deal or a low-ball linear deal.

I think we are on the verge of mayhem. If you thought UConn in the American was a weird fit, wait and see what happens to Stanford and the like.
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Agree they are in bad shape for getting a good deal. I contemplated a western Ivy situation, Stanford, Cal, Rice, Tulane but I ran out of other schools. Pac was always arrogant and this is what comes of it.
 
Fishy said:
The PAC12 is in huge trouble.

They’re not getting a deal without a GOR and no one is signing a GOR for a streaming deal or a low-ball linear deal.

I think we are on the verge of mayhem. If you thought UConn in the American was a weird fit, wait and see what happens to Stanford and the like.
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My new bet is the four corner schools bolt to the Big 12, and Oregon and Washington make a Pac-8 with the leftovers and SMU and SDSU (and probably St. Mary's and Gonzaga in basketball) where the two big boys get to keep an unhealthy percentage of a TV deal with ESPN.
 
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