Big East Transfer Portal Thread v II

[navery12]

Here's a question. Would Hurley have gone into the portal to get Spencer if Alleyne had stayed? You could make the case for yes and no.

I think yes, because we wanted Timberlake even before Alleyne left. Also think it's a moot point, because with the comments Hurley made during the season it was clear there was no scenario Alleyne was coming back next season

 

[Friarsnoop]

I'd say yes, because Spencer is better.

 

[MDHuskFan]

I don't really have a problem with Alleyne getting recruited over because, even though it sucks, that's the nature of competing at this level. There was a time last year when his minutes were dropping here too but he started making his shots.

I definitely do have a problem with teams adding extra players on NIL deals that allow them to skirt the scholarship rules. Programs with aggressive boosters and alumni already have a huge advantage, they don't need to be able to horde talent and further dilute the talent pool for the rest of the country. Credit to Pitino for landing some really talented guys, but it just seems like a house of cards to me

I don’t hate it cause them kids can make a decision and dip out if they don’t like it. See St Johns & their kid that went to WVU

 

[MDHuskFan]

Here's a question. Would Hurley have gone into the portal to get Spencer if Alleyne had stayed? You could make the case for yes and no.

Won’t use Cam as a specific, but I will say that EOY convos probably consist of a recap of next year & a upside, downside and realistic role they see kids playing the following year.

Kids then make a decision from that

 

[yungdowork]

I don’t hate it cause them kids can make a decision and dip out if they don’t like it. See St Johns & their kid that went to WVU

Yeah but it just leads to more kids having to make uninformed decisions, which actively hurts the players. When St. John's landed him in April, there was no shot that Slazinski didn't see somewhat significant minutes based on the notion that they'd have a 13-man roster. By being able to use NIL like they did, that kid ended up having to go back into the portal in mid-late July. WVU is a fine place to end up, but I don't see any way you could argue that he wouldn't have had more suitors if he'd been in the portal before 90% of teams had complete rosters.

 

[navery12]

Yeah but it just leads to more kids having to make uninformed decisions, which actively hurts the players. When St. John's landed him in April, there was no shot that Slazinski didn't see somewhat significant minutes based on the notion that they'd have a 13-man roster. By being able to use NIL like they did, that kid ended up having to go back into the portal in mid-late July. WVU is a fine place to end up, but I don't see any way you could argue that he wouldn't have had more suitors if he'd been in the portal before 90% of teams had complete rosters.

Then if everything you say is true, teams aren't going to be able to fill 15 spots and it all becomes a moot point. If players are as concerned with being recruited over by walk ons with NIL at St John's and Arkansas, recruits won't be willing to commit there.

It's no different than a kid who gets pushed out of the rotation when scholarship 12 or 13 gets filled. Someone has to be making an uninformed decision, it's not possible for every player to be aware of where all 2000 kids in the portal are going to end up, and someone is always going to get screwed over by a decision

 

[yungdowork]

Then if everything you say is true, teams aren't going to be able to fill 15 spots and it all becomes a moot point. If players are as concerned with being recruited over by walk ons with NIL at St John's and Arkansas, recruits won't be willing to commit there.

It's no different than a kid who gets pushed out of the rotation when scholarship 12 or 13 gets filled. Someone has to be making an uninformed decision, it's not possible for every player to be aware of where all 2000 kids in the portal are going to end up, and someone is always going to get screwed over by a decision

I'm sure Ledlum is getting a bag on top of school, but it's pretty plainly using NIL to exploit scholarship limits. I don't think you'd see programs carrying essentially 15 scholarship guys every year, I think you'd see programs with wealthy alumni using it as a get out of jail free card after they underachieved, and particularly after they fired their coach. Maybe recruits would stop committing there, but in the NIL era, money has a lot of pull, and the schools that would be able to take advantage have the deepest pockets.

Programs push guys out all the time, but giving schools additional flexibility regarding scholarship limits allows them to fast-track roster turnover, which, to me, isn't a good thing for student-athletes. Over time, it may well work itself out, but I just don't really see the point of letting a pretty obvious loophole exist in the mean time.

 

[navery12]

I'm sure Ledlum is getting a bag on top of school, but it's pretty plainly using NIL to exploit scholarship limits. I don't think you'd see programs carrying essentially 15 scholarship guys every year, I think you'd see programs with wealthy alumni using it as a get out of jail free card after they underachieved, and particularly after they fired their coach. Maybe recruits would stop committing there, but in the NIL era, money has a lot of pull, and the schools that would be able to take advantage have the deepest pockets.

Programs push guys out all the time, but giving schools additional flexibility regarding scholarship limits allows them to fast-track roster turnover, which, to me, isn't a good thing for student-athletes. Over time, it may well work itself out, but I just don't really see the point of letting a pretty obvious loophole exist in the mean time.

You're entirely missing the point, again. Playing time is the biggest factor for these kids, and there is a finite amount of playing time available. St John's can bring in 5 players or they can bring in 25 players, they still have 200 minutes to offer. And at a certain point no matter how much money Mike Repole offers, kids are going to stop going to St John's because there's not enough minutes available.

You're looking at this as a loophole and teams exploiting a rule when it's not, it's just simply college basketball. UConn did the same thing in 2012 and nobody here batted an eye. UConn did the same thing last year (albeit on a much smaller scale) and nobody batted an eye.

This isn't a new development, schools have always had the ability to turn over a roster as fast as any coach wants, that's the consequence of year by year scholarships. Just because it's done semi-publicly now instead of a conversation in a back room about pulling a scholarship doesn't mean it's new. The only difference is now the athletes aren't screwed over and being forced to sit a year when it happens

 

[auror]

You're entirely missing the point, again. Playing time is the biggest factor for these kids, and there is a finite amount of playing time available. St John's can bring in 5 players or they can bring in 25 players, they still have 200 minutes to offer. And at a certain point no matter how much money Mike Repole offers, kids are going to stop going to St John's because there's not enough minutes available.

You're looking at this as a loophole and teams exploiting a rule when it's not, it's just simply college basketball. UConn did the same thing in 2012 and nobody here batted an eye. UConn did the same thing last year (albeit on a much smaller scale) and nobody batted an eye.

This isn't a new development, schools have always had the ability to turn over a roster as fast as any coach wants, that's the consequence of year by year scholarships. Just because it's done semi-publicly now instead of a conversation in a back room about pulling a scholarship doesn't mean it's new. The only difference is now the athletes aren't screwed over and being forced to sit a year when it happens

Yeah the "loophole" is a self-solving problem for two reasons:

1) Players want playing time to prove themselves in order to make the NBA and get $. Small sums won't be enough to jeopardize future development big $ NBA money by sitting on the bench at a big school.
2) The people paying the players (who could conceivably pay enough $ for players to not care about #1) want performance and aren't going to give big $ for players who aren't even projected to play minutes. They're businessmen and the like and that's a waste of $.

 

[yungdowork]

You're entirely missing the point, again. Playing time is the biggest factor for these kids, and there is a finite amount of playing time available. St John's can bring in 5 players or they can bring in 25 players, they still have 200 minutes to offer. And at a certain point no matter how much money Mike Repole offers, kids are going to stop going to St John's because there's not enough minutes available.

You're looking at this as a loophole and teams exploiting a rule when it's not, it's just simply college basketball. UConn did the same thing in 2012 and nobody here batted an eye. UConn did the same thing last year (albeit on a much smaller scale) and nobody batted an eye.

This isn't a new development, schools have always had the ability to turn over a roster as fast as any coach wants, that's the consequence of year by year scholarships. Just because it's done semi-publicly now instead of a conversation in a back room about pulling a scholarship doesn't mean it's new. The only difference is now the athletes aren't screwed over and being forced to sit a year when it happens

I don't think this is an issue that is changing the face of college basketball, I just don't think NIL intended to provide an additional mechanism for schools to turnover rosters, and wouldn't mind seeing it nipped in the bud. I'm a big fan of the new transfer rules specifically because they allow players to have more control over their future. I am not a fan of this situation because I think it creates additional uncertainty around kids' futures too late in the portal process, specifically when you look at multiple de-commitments directly related to programs doing this happening in the last few weeks. I'm okay if you don't think it's a big issue, I can even admit I might be overthinking it, but I still don't like it.

St. John's, in my opinion, is actually looking like a really solid example of using that extra roster flexibility to their advantage. They landed a former top 50 recruit, and a guy who averaged 19ppg last year, who can hopefully re-stabilize their program, as their 14th and 15th guy at the time. If they have a successful year, they won't need all the roster turnover, and all is well again next year.

Given all of the advantages that NIL provides to schools, I don't personally think it should also be dictating the amount of roster flexibility programs have moving forward, even if it doesn't dramatically shift the competitive landscape. If a mid-major isn't capable of offering a potential transfer because they're at the scholarship limit, I don't think it's right that a team from a major conference could theoretically circumvent that limit so easily.

 

[superjohn]

I don't think this is an issue that is changing the face of college basketball, I just don't think NIL intended to provide an additional mechanism for schools to turnover rosters, and wouldn't mind seeing it nipped in the bud. I'm a big fan of the new transfer rules specifically because they allow players to have more control over their future. I am not a fan of this situation because I think it creates additional uncertainty around kids' futures too late in the portal process, specifically when you look at multiple de-commitments directly related to programs doing this happening in the last few weeks. I'm okay if you don't think it's a big issue, I can even admit I might be overthinking it, but I still don't like it.

St. John's, in my opinion, is actually looking like a really solid example of using that extra roster flexibility to their advantage. They landed a former top 50 recruit, and a guy who averaged 19ppg last year, who can hopefully re-stabilize their program, as their 14th and 15th guy at the time. If they have a successful year, they won't need all the roster turnover, and all is well again next year.

Given all of the advantages that NIL provides to schools, I don't personally think it should also be dictating the amount of roster flexibility programs have moving forward, even if it doesn't dramatically shift the competitive landscape. If a mid-major isn't capable of offering a potential transfer because they're at the scholarship limit, I don't think it's right that a team from a major conference could theoretically circumvent that limit so easily.

Do you think NIL intended for college sports to be pay to play with kids transferring to the highest bidder?

Seems to be a strange thing you're focusing on.

 

[yungdowork]

Do you think NIL intended for college sports to be pay to play with kids transferring to the highest bidder?

Seems to be a strange thing you're focusing on.

I just don’t see a very easy fix for that without placing a cap on the earning potential of the athletes which is the opposite of what I want. Players are always going to go with what they think is the most valuable offer long-term, whether that be NIL money or potential NBA opportunities, and they should. This seems like a far easier situation to amend from the NCAA’s perspective as far as I can tell.

I’m not really hyper focused on anything. The thread was directly talking about the situation and I responded with my opinion. I wasn’t expecting to receive any replies about it lol

 

[Waquoit]

Do you think NIL intended for college sports to be pay to play with kids transferring to the highest bidder?

The question is moot. Did anyone actually expect it wouldn't?

 

[superjohn]

I just don’t see a very easy fix for that without placing a cap on the earning potential of the athletes which is the opposite of what I want. Players are always going to go with what they think is the most valuable offer long-term, whether that be NIL money or potential NBA opportunities, and they should. This seems like a far easier situation to amend from the NCAA’s perspective as far as I can tell.

I’m not really hyper focused on anything. The thread was directly talking about the situation and I responded with my opinion. I wasn’t expecting to receive any replies about it lol

I just don't see what needs to be amended. Players are always going to try and go to what they view as the best situation for their goals and coaches are always going to try and win as many games as possible. Everyone has freedom of movement now. Some kids will turn into vagabonds always looking for a better program/situation but there's still only 5 players on the court for each team at one time.

 

[The Yakk]

Which Louisville players can’t stand him specifically? Quotes please? He has a history of being narcissistic? So was Calhoun, that’s not a crime. He was not a failure at the knicks but did openly say he was not cut out to be a GM-type role at Boston and admitted it. Doesn’t make him failed but he admitted he shouldn’t have taken the role he did and it didn’t work out. You questioned Alleyne’s advice, but I’m not sure why? He has competition at both places, but it’s a personal decision.

Lol calling Jim Calhoun a narcissist--and for the purpose of defending Slick Rick Pitino, no less--gets you on auto-ignore. Congrats, I guess.

Watch JC's speech at the ESPY's and then tell us how he lacks empathy for others.

What a maroon.

 

[yungdowork]

I just don't see what needs to be amended. Players are always going to try and go to what they view as the best situation for their goals and coaches are always going to try and win as many games as possible. Everyone has freedom of movement now. Some kids will turn into vagabonds always looking for a better program/situation but there's still only 5 players on the court for each team at one time.

I think all schools competing at the same level should have access to the same number of effective roster spots and whatever the maximum number is shouldn't be negotiable. That's basically it. I don't see the value in having a grey area here.

If this situation wasn't possible, I wouldn't be surprised if St. John's found a way to manipulate their roster to land all the same guys; I just don't think walk-on spots should be used to do it. Same way I thought the way we landed Drummond was sketchy even when I was 17.


edit: For the sake of not getting this thread nuked, I'm going to let sleeping dogs lie here. I enjoyed the discussion.

 

[MDHuskFan]

Using our 2014 Championship Trophy in a graphic for GTown is WILD

 

[gtcam]

Which Louisville players can’t stand him specifically? Quotes please? He has a history of being narcissistic? So was Calhoun, that’s not a crime. He was not a failure at the knicks but did openly say he was not cut out to be a GM-type role at Boston and admitted it. Doesn’t make him failed but he admitted he shouldn’t have taken the role he did and it didn’t work out. You questioned Alleyne’s advice, but I’m not sure why? He has competition at both places, but it’s a personal decision.

Mrs. Pitino - please read this: Lessons Learned (and Forgotten) from Celtics' Failed Rick Pitino Experiment

You said ALL his players love him = PURE BS As I said, there are plenty of ex Cardinals who didnt like the guy. At the OBE tournaments I befriended a couple who were heavy Lville donors and they told us many stories of dissatisfied players and parents.

Calhoun may blow his horn once in a while but Pitino operates under a "ME" mode 24/7

Who else would be stupid enough to agree to name himself as HC, GM and President of an NBA franchise all at the same time? I love Travis Knight but he is still laughing looking at his bank account when Slick Rick signed him to that guaranteed contract and declared he was going to be the prototype center for his run and gun offense in Boston.

You like the guy. thats fine. I think he is slimier than Calipari which is nearly impossible to do. To each their own. Adios

 

[Hey Adrien!]

Providence Lands Commitment From Transfer Guard

UPDATE: It appears that Scott has wiped any indication of his commitment to Providence from his social media account. There is reason to believe the Friars pulled his offer, but the reasons why are unknown. Stay tuned for further updates. Providence has landed a commitment from D2 Central State...

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[MDHuskFan]

Providence Lands Commitment From Transfer Guard

UPDATE: It appears that Scott has wiped any indication of his commitment to Providence from his social media account. There is reason to believe the Friars pulled his offer, but the reasons why are unknown. Stay tuned for further updates. Providence has landed a commitment from D2 Central State...

burnerball.com

Rumor has it PC beat out Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UConn, Indiana & UCLA for the 14 ppg D2 transfer

 

[MDHuskFan]

Providence Lands Commitment From Transfer Guard

UPDATE: It appears that Scott has wiped any indication of his commitment to Providence from his social media account. There is reason to believe the Friars pulled his offer, but the reasons why are unknown. Stay tuned for further updates. Providence has landed a commitment from D2 Central State...

burnerball.com

Funny enough he may have already decommited

 

[MDHuskFan]

Funny enough he may have already decommited

 

[FriarJ]

He was a going to be a walk-on and something in his social media discovered late had them pull the plug. Lesson for all young people.

 

[Huskyforlife]

Providence has landed a commitment from three-star forward Ryan Mela. Mela, a 6-foot-6 forward from Natick (Mass.) chose the Friars over Vermont, Siena, Boston University among others.

Presented without comment.

 

[FriarJ]

Providence has landed a commitment from three-star forward Ryan Mela. Mela, a 6-foot-6 forward from Natick (Mass.) chose the Friars over Vermont, Siena, Boston University among others.

Presented without comment.

The staff loves him. He’s a winner and tough SOB but not sure how a 6’6” player with post skills translates to the Big East but we will see.

 

[FriarJ]

New England Grassroots Winning on the National Stage |

There is a lot to unpack from the early July live period, including championships for Middlesex Magic 17U-UAA, Middlesex Magic 16U-HGSL, Team New England’s 17U-HGSL & 15U-HGSL, and Mass Elite 17U-BigFootXL, as well as AJ Dybantsa and

newenglandrecruitingreport.com

 

[FriarJ]

New England Grassroots Winning on the National Stage |

There is a lot to unpack from the early July live period, including championships for Middlesex Magic 17U-UAA, Middlesex Magic 16U-HGSL, Team New England’s 17U-HGSL & 15U-HGSL, and Mass Elite 17U-BigFootXL, as well as AJ Dybantsa and

newenglandrecruitingreport.com

My final post on this kid. Same AAU as Kolek and Duncan Robinson. Tough as nails and just took down Team Thrill with Queen, with a dominate 2nd half. These are players that Cooley overlooked for a couple of reasons. I’m glad English values other things.

 

[HooperScooper]

My final post on this kid. Same AAU as Kolek and Duncan Robinson. Tough as nails and just took down Team Thrill with Queen, with a dominate 2nd half. These are players that Cooley overlooked for a couple of reasons. I’m glad English values other things.

You mean the same things as Vermont, Siena, BU, etc., but not even mid-majors? O.K. then.

 

[FriarJ]

You mean the same things as Vermont, Siena, BU, etc., but not even mid-majors? O.K. then.

Ok, there are 13 ships. We aren’t you that have 4 and 5 stars with every spot. Jerk. I do appreciate how much many of you make beating you so enjoyable.

 

[YearoftheHusky]

You mean the same things as Vermont, Siena, BU, etc., but not even mid-majors? O.K. then.

I think the “among others” were Villanova, Duke, Connecticut, Kansas etc.