Big East is wild

[Greedo]

let me spell it out for you since you're not grasping the obvious: UConn is a P5 caliber school and is vastly superior to the current Big East members as an institution.

I agree with you that UConn is a P5 caliber school. The schools in the AAC are not P5 caliber schools. They are not our peers. They are all sub P5 quality both athletically and academically. Staying in the AAC solidifies UConn as a G5 school, along with the other CUSA schools in the AAC.

 

[UConniki]

let me spell it out for you since you're not grasping the obvious: UConn is a P5 caliber school and is vastly superior to the current Big East members as an institution.

While what you’re saying is true and I don’t think that anyone is disagreeing with you on your very last post.... that being said.... what good has it done us? Now or moving forward?

 

[John]

I agree with you that UConn is a P5 caliber school. The schools in the AAC are not P5 caliber schools. They are not our peers. They are all sub P5 quality both athletically and academically. Staying in the AAC solidifies UConn as a G5 school, along with the other CUSA schools in the AAC.

devil's advocate, what does moving to the Big East solidify us as then? Holistically, not just basketball-wise since UConn is a lot more than just that.

 

[Zissou]

let me spell it out for you since you're not grasping the obvious: UConn is a P5 caliber school and is vastly superior to the current Big East members as an institution.

It's almost like your screaming incoherently while falling hopelessly down a hole.

And then I saw your avatar.

 

[HuskyBoi]

And you've argued in multiple threads that UConn should be in the AAC.
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theres a reason you are superjohn and he's just... john

 

[Zissou]

devil's advocate, what does moving to the Big East solidify us as then? Holistically, not just basketball-wise since UConn is a lot more than just that.

Better academic peer schools. Better financial position.

 

[John]

It's almost like your screaming incoherently while falling hopelessly down a hole.

And then I saw your avatar.

nice little school you have there, and I do mean little.

 

[HuskyBoi]

devil's advocate, what does moving to the Big East solidify us as then? Holistically, not just basketball-wise since UConn is a lot more than just that.

we are a basketball school. the state of connecticut doesnt have a pro basketball team for men so the whole state roots for the huskies. been like this for years. when basketball is down, we are all down. we will not be a football school, so get on board again with the basketball support

 

[John]

we are a basketball school. the state of connecticut doesnt have a pro basketball team for men so the whole state roots for the huskies. been like this for years. when basketball is down, we are all down. we will not be a football school, so get on board again with the basketball support

you're not an alumni are you?

 

[Zissou]

nice little school you have there, and I do mean little.

UCF is laughing at you

 

[Mike1984]

you're not an alumni are you?

So are you saying we should just drop all sports and just be a school with no identity for anything. Sports are what really defines a school. I don’t think anyone except students really care about anything that goes on at these schools. Except maybe parties

 

[UC1995]

The current ZBE powers are Seton Hall, Nova and Creighton. Say no more.

Part of what was great about the OBE is was that people cared about college basketball. Go watch a game and compare the NBE with the AAC. It is not even close. The Big East school's fan bases care. Games will be exciting, night in and night out. That is what we want again to be in a relevant league that we can then dominate in time. Look at last years attendance

* Big East had 18 less games and average almost 400,000 more fans then AAC
* The Big East had one less session in their tournament and doubled up on attendance 98,782 vs. 45,500 for the AAC (avg 18,969 vs 7,588)


Plus all the OBE teams that left suck now outside of Louisville and we know there are many reasons for that. Forget the AAC. It went badly for us for so many reasons. It was never going to be a good fit and those holding out hope for the ACC or B1G you are going to be waiting for a call that is never coming.

 

[UC1995]

my aim is much higher than that - my aim is playing our real university and athletic peers.

LOL... I am sure you were saying this when we were in the Big East the first time.

 

[Greedo]

devil's advocate, what does moving to the Big East solidify us as then? Holistically, not just basketball-wise since UConn is a lot more than just that.

It allows us to schedule more P5 schools for football (which our AD has been doing), and play in a P5 quality basketball conference. This makes us a P5 school if we succeed. Staying in the AAC does not ever make us a P5 school. Is Notre Dame not a "Power" school because they don't play football in a conference?

 

[HuskyBoi]

It allows us to schedule more P5 schools for football (which our AD has been doing), and play in a P5 quality basketball conference. This makes us a P5 school if we succeed. Staying in the AAC does not ever make us a P5 school. Is Notre Dame not a "Power" school because they don't play football in a conference?

great points. we can't even get those cross conference challenge games like the gavitt games, something the AAC is struggling to pull off. glad we will get opportunities like that outside of the maui tournaments and whatever. makes for more tv time and all that yummy jazz. and you are right about notre dame, they play their conference bball in the acc but schedule several good teams a season despite being indy. this is doable.

 

[glastonbury50]

yes, let's aspire to be Seton Hall or "Creighton". Aim low fellas.

In and out of the top ten and consistently ranked. I'll take it.

 

[UC1995]

devil's advocate, what does moving to the Big East solidify us as then? Holistically, not just basketball-wise since UConn is a lot more than just that.

Did we care about academics of other schools in our conference prior to moving to the AAC?

 

[BlueMAB]

our peers are P5 schools - schools that play all sports.

Not if they continuously refuse to invite us to a P5 conference.

You can't say you are peers with Google employees when you don't work at Google.

Your resumes might be similar. You might be qualified. But if you aren't a Google employee, they are not your peers. You're stuck with Dell (AAC) or Microsoft (NBE).

 

[ZenConn]

We weren't getting an invite to a P5 anytime in the near future. Meanwhile, we were hemorrhaging money and our football team has been one of the worst teams in D1. If the football team were at least halfway decent and selling out our home games that might have been our saving grace in getting an invite. No conference is going to want to invite a school where it's basketball team is on probation and it's football program is in shambles. Perhaps in 2011 or 2014 but not anytime in the near future. Something needed to be done and the Big East was it's best way out.

 

[bendm]

nice little school you have there, and I do mean little.

why does a school's size matter to you? whether a school has 30,000 or 3,000 students they both have 13 scholarships to give out.

 

[scoscox]

By KenPom conference ratings, this season is the best the Big East has been since OBE 2011. It's a little overshadowed since they don't have an elite team and the Big 10 has been even stronger (and B12 has been solidly deep as per usual). But it's a bloodbath over there.

According to the metric, you'd have to be a top 40 KenPom team, essentially an NCAA at large team, to even go .500 in the league.

The Big Ten is likely to get more bids, but the Big East has the highest average NET of any conference by almost ten points. BE is around 37 and the Big Ten is in the mid-40's.

With regard to your second point, Xavier is KP #42 right now, #40 in the NET, 7th in the BE at 6-7, and a projected 9th seed, so Ken is spot on as per usual

 

[BlueMAB]

Aside from UConn's amazing championship run as a No. 7 seed in the conference's first season in 2014, the results just haven't been there for the American. Only three of the 19 teams to make the NCAAs have advanced to the second weekend, two of which came in that first season.

"Conference teams have generally received middling seeds, as there has been one No. 2 seed, one No. 3 and a pair of No. 4s in the American's six-year history. Similar to the A-10, a good number of AAC teams (37% to be exact) have received 7, 8 or 9 seeds, so the path hasn't been ideal to start with. It didn't stop UConn in 2014, but this is a league that has yet to receive more than four bids. That's not likely to change this year either, and no team will face the expectation to win more than one game entering the tournament."

 

[uconnyankee]

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If you would rather play BC, Cuse, and Pitt right now over teams in the NBE then you haven’t watched college basketball in a long time.

or it means that Uconn is in the ACC.

 

[uconnyankee]

They've "carried" the league to what exactly? What have they won "carrying" the league? 3+/- bids/year and zero final fours?

It doesn't even matter if you aren't excited about the new big east. the fact is it's a much better and deeper conference. It gives us the opportunity for better wins, better games at home, and better recruiting.

exactly. two most prominent programs go in the tank at the same time. With Uconn, Memphis and WSU, back to normality, the league at worst is a 3 bid league. likely 4-5 and 6 in some good years. its just a fact based on history.

i'm not downplaying the fact that the Big East is statistically a better league. What I'm not going to say is that I'm excited for playing Butler, Creighton, St Johns, or DePual. yes I'm aware Seton Hall and several others have stepped up of late. But my excitement in playing them is because of that little number, not the school. Playing Syr, BC, or Pitt is more about the school, the history, the tradition, and bottom line, BB rivalry.
Even in the heyday, Uconn/Seton Hall or Uconn St Johns? meh? Beating a winless BC or SYR? You bet. Add to their misery.

If folks want to spin comments to fulfill their argument or narrative that that the Big East is the right move. OK. That wasn't my intent. I'm more excited that Hurley has the program back on track. If that means we're dominating the Big East, awesome! I'd be just as happy dominating the AAC.

 

[superjohn]

exactly. two most prominent programs go in the tank at the same time. With Uconn, Memphis and WSU, back to normality, the league at worst is a 3 bid league. likely 4-5 and 6 in some good years. its just a fact based on history.

i'm not downplaying the fact that the Big East is statistically a better league. What I'm not going to say is that I'm excited for playing Butler, Creighton, St Johns, or DePual. yes I'm aware Seton Hall and several others have stepped up of late. But my excitement in playing them is because of that little number, not the school. Playing Syr, BC, or Pitt is more about the school, the history, the tradition, and bottom line, BB rivalry.
Even in the heyday, Uconn/Seton Hall or Uconn St Johns? meh? Beating a winless BC or SYR? You bet. Add to their misery.

If folks want to spin comments to fulfill their argument or narrative that that the Big East is the right move. OK. That wasn't my intent. I'm more excited that Hurley has the program back on track. If that means we're dominating the Big East, awesome! I'd be just as happy dominating the AAC.

How on earth is playing BC greater than playing St. Johns and Seton Hall?

I get being disappointed about not playing the school, history, and tradition of Syracuse but BC, really??? Give me a break.

 

[Ha Who]

congrats you're even more delusional than i thought

John, Are you Butch dreaming of the pending bidding war over us between the BIG and ACC?

 

[pj]

It's a clear improvement going to the NBE:
- Basketball is better and has nearby rivalries.
- Football is better off, they're now scheduling P5s (Ole Miss, Syracuse, Purdue, Clemson, Michigan, NC State, BC, Duke, Tennessee, Maryland, North Carolina are all on the schedule) plus northeastern programs like Army and UMass.

Plus, football now is under UConn's control and can be sold to SNY to get a true market read on UConn's football fan base and market value. The AAC was taking all UConn's rights and burying them, so there was no way for a P5 conference to get a read on UConn's value.

So as far as positioning us for a P5 move, we are much, much better placed now than a year ago.

I see no downsides to the move.

 

[Ha Who]

exactly. two most prominent programs go in the tank at the same time. With Uconn, Memphis and WSU, back to normality, the league at worst is a 3 bid league. likely 4-5 and 6 in some good years. its just a fact based on history.

i'm not downplaying the fact that the Big East is statistically a better league. What I'm not going to say is that I'm excited for playing Butler, Creighton, St Johns, or DePual. yes I'm aware Seton Hall and several others have stepped up of late. But my excitement in playing them is because of that little number, not the school. Playing Syr, BC, or Pitt is more about the school, the history, the tradition, and bottom line, BB rivalry.
Even in the heyday, Uconn/Seton Hall or Uconn St Johns? meh? Beating a winless BC or SYR? You bet. Add to their misery.

If folks want to spin comments to fulfill their argument or narrative that that the Big East is the right move. OK. That wasn't my intent. I'm more excited that Hurley has the program back on track. If that means we're dominating the Big East, awesome! I'd be just as happy dominating the AAC.

Piled up the likes with this one

 

[Guapo]

nice little school you have there, and I do mean little.

Idiot. You are an absolute doofus.

 

[John]

Idiot. You are an absolute doofus.

You think Villanova is on par with Uconn.

Check.