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That's what Warde and Susan's selling point ought to be by the way....
 
huskymedic said:
Bottom up for time sequencing:

Big12Conference 1:24pm via TweetDeck
Bowlsby: "We have spoken with three bowls in Florida and would like to have at least one there". #Big12

Big12Conference 1:23pm via TweetDeck
Bowlsby "We also talked about NCAA legislation and the in-stadium experience to make it a better game environment for fans" #Big12

Big12Conference 1:22pm via TweetDeck
Bowlsby (re: bowls): "Destination is important. Fan experience is important and student-athlete experience is important."

Big12Conference 1:21pm via TweetDeck
Bowlsby - "Once we know host bowls, we will be anxious to put additional bowl agreements together. This was a way to identify priorities"

Big12Conference 1:18pm via TweetDeck
Bowlsby - "Spent a good amount of time on bowl agreements and football scheduling" #Big12

Big12Conference 1:17pm via TweetDeck
#Big12 Directors of Athletics meetings have concluded for today. Commissioner Bob Bowlsby speaking to media now.
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Additional info on bowls...

Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN)
1/29/13, 3:33 PM
Bowlsby indicated Valero Alamo or Meineke Car Care bowls likely candidates to move up in Big 12 order if Cotton joins playoff rotation.

Chuck Carlton (@ChuckCarltonDMN)
1/29/13, 3:39 PM
Bowlsby identified Gator (Jacksonville) and Russell Athletic (Orlando) as two Florida bowl possibilities for Big 12.
 
The goofs at WV and other Bloggers have been wrong almost every step of the way. Even a media genius like Dodd is usually way off on realignment and the ACC.

The ACC will survive and prosper despite what butthurt WV bloggers post. The TV contract has increased to apparently $19M+ average over the course of the contract (up from $14M or so before Cuse/Pitt/ND/UL). That doesn't count ACC schools receiving $5-10M from other media/marketing sources. The ACC network will lord over 100+ million consumers within the ACC market. I'm not buying teams leaving for the B1G. BTN money are projections and the cable industry is under enormous pressure from both emerging technologies and consumers.
 
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TexanMark said:
The goofs at WV and other Bloggers have been wrong almost every step of the way. Even a media genius like Dodd is usually way off on realignment and the ACC.

The ACC will survive and prosper despite what butthurt WV bloggers post. The TV contract has increased to apparently $19M+ average over the course of the contract (up from $14M or so before Cuse/Pitt/ND/UL). That doesn't count ACC schools receiving $5-10M from other media/marketing sources. The ACC network will lord over 100+ million consumers within the ACC market. I'm not buying teams leaving for the B1G. BTN money are projections and the cable industry is under enormous pressure from both emerging technologies and consumers.
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MD left fyi
 
TexanMark said:
The goofs at WV and other Bloggers have been wrong almost every step of the way. Even a media genius like Dodd is usually way off on realignment and the ACC.

The ACC will survive and prosper despite what butthurt WV bloggers post. The TV contract has increased to apparently $19M+ average over the course of the contract (up from $14M or so before Cuse/Pitt/ND/UL). That doesn't count ACC schools receiving $5-10M from other media/marketing sources. The ACC network will lord over 100+ million consumers within the ACC market. I'm not buying teams leaving for the B1G. BTN money are projections and the cable industry is under enormous pressure from both emerging technologies and consumers.
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Thank god for that, I was concerned.
 
HuskyfanDan said:
MD left fyi
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What, really? Wow!

Amazing how that came outta leftfield...the insider plans revealed by the Dude/MFer3 was a guaranteed done deal to be FSU/Clemson to the B12.

I'm not saying the ACC won't lose a team or two..I just don't think it is probable right now.
 
If we lose the Russell Athletic, what is our best bowl? We're going to lose the bowl in NC as well. Pinstripe is probably gone as well.

Memphis better come through and get us the Liberty Bowl. Unless I missed something and we already have that in the future.

Trying not be a negative Nancy in this, but this is where it really gets real.



huskymedic said:
Pretty much...

JFowlerCBS 4:48pm via TweetDeck
If B12 moves into Russell Athletic Bowl (Bowlsby mentioned possibility), could play into ACC alliance theme (ACC already a part of RA bowl)

4 year ACC- Big East agreement expires @ end of 2013.
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The Tank's take:

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/big-12-and-acc-relations-alliance-or-raid/

"Now, once again, I can never say never in conference realignment. Maybe Jim Delany’s projected revenue figures for a Big 16 or Big 18 are so outrageous that he can put the smackdown on the ACC more than I’m giving the Big Ten credit for. Maybe Mike Slive is freaked out enough about the thought of either the Big Ten or Big 12 getting into the state of Florida by adding Florida State that the SEC would take the Noles in an act of self-defense. In either event, it’s really up to the Big Ten or SEC to make a move. The Big 12 would then have to hope that some other valuable pieces would fall their way. I don’t see that happening anytime soon, but the speculation will continue."
 
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TexanMark said:
The goofs at WV and other Bloggers have been wrong almost every step of the way. Even a media genius like Dodd is usually way off on realignment and the ACC.

The ACC will survive and prosper despite what butthurt WV bloggers post. The TV contract has increased to apparently $19M+ average over the course of the contract (up from $14M or so before Cuse/Pitt/ND/UL). That doesn't count ACC schools receiving $5-10M from other media/marketing sources. The ACC network will lord over 100+ million consumers within the ACC market. I'm not buying teams leaving for the B1G. BTN money are projections and the cable industry is under enormous pressure from both emerging technologies and consumers.
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The ACC Network is a non-starter. Still-born. And every ounce of ACC content is already sold, so they ain't getting another $10M from any source - ESPN will be a partner in the imminent SEC Network and they're not going to throw money down a rathole in those same markets with an ACC Network that really no one wants.

The money the ACC has now is the money they will have in 2020 and beyond - the Big Ten and SEC will swamp them in a couple of years and the gap will expand yearly.

That is the reality of it.
 
huskymedic said:
The Tank's take:

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/big-12-and-acc-relations-alliance-or-raid/

"Now, once again, I can never say never in conference realignment. Maybe Jim Delany’s projected revenue figures for a Big 16 or Big 18 are so outrageous that he can put the smackdown on the ACC more than I’m giving the Big Ten credit for. Maybe Mike Slive is freaked out enough about the thought of either the Big Ten or Big 12 getting into the state of Florida by adding Florida State that the SEC would take the Noles in an act of self-defense. In either event, it’s really up to the Big Ten or SEC to make a move. The Big 12 would then have to hope that some other valuable pieces would fall their way. I don’t see that happening anytime soon, but the speculation will continue."
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Anyone ever read Thucydides? Why do nations go to war?

Fear, Greed and Jealousy. Think there is enough of that in play here?

If things pop, it's going TO BE SPECTACULAR.
 
Fishy said:
The ACC Network is a non-starter. Still-born. And every ounce of ACC content is already sold, so they ain't getting another $10M from any source - ESPN will be a partner in the imminent SEC Network and they're not going to throw money down a rathole in those same markets with an ACC Network that really no one wants.

The money the ACC has now is the money they will have in 2020 and beyond - the Big Ten and SEC will swamp them in a couple of years and the gap will expand yearly.

That is the reality of it.
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And as Mark drafts his retort, and I really like Mark he's been a great poster with us for years, let me add one more tidbit.

Even if what you say isn't true. The ACC and ACC schools will never get as much money per school as the Big 4 are going to get.

That fact alone will forever be a source of instability. If Clempsun and Free Shoes University can switch country clubs for a better payday.

They will. Count on it.
 
Mark is a very good guy and a friend.

This is just his orange-tinted view of things - experience has made our national flag-blue tinted worldview much more cynical.
 
Fishy said:
Mark is a very good guy and a friend.

This is just his orange-tinted view of things - experience has made our national flag-blue tinted worldview much more cynical.
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Better than wearing P Colored Glasses.
 
I haven't read Thucydides but I have read Sun Tzu. When you are strong, you must appear weak. And when you are weak, you must appear strong.

On second thought, that * don't work, at least for the BE. Everybody knows we're a glorified CUSA, and then only as long as UConn and Cincy are still in the league. However the Art of War might work for the ACC, if they can maintain the appearance that UNC and UVA are super reluctant to leave they might survive. Then it comes down to whether the BXII can make a play for FSU, or if the SEC decides to add NCState and/or VT. If they hang onto UVA and UNC it could make the odds of any other team leaving decrease. Maybe.
 
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junglehusky said:
I haven't read Thucydides but I have read Sun Tzu. When you are strong, you must appear weak. And when you are weak, you must appear strong.

On second thought, that * don't work, at least for the BE. Everybody knows we're a glorified CUSA, and then only as long as UConn and Cincy are still in the league. However the Art of War might work for the ACC, if they can maintain the appearance that UNC and UVA are super reluctant to leave they might survive. Then it comes down to whether the BXII can make a play for FSU, or if the SEC decides to add NCState and/or VT. If they hang onto UVA and UNC it could make the odds of any other team leaving decrease. Maybe.
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Sun Tzu said, know your enemy as you know yourself, and you shall never be defeated. That was the secret to Tranghese and Marinatto's success as least.

For your example. The best way for the ACC to survive is to make their schools seem as unappealing as possible, so that nobody would dream of poaching them.

The problem is that the ACC has no unity of effort. When all of your battalions stop being focused on the collective goal, then you will be taken apart in detail.
 
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.”

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ZooCougar said:
Sun Tzu said, know your enemy as you know yourself, and you shall never be defeated. That was the secret to Tranghese and Marinatto's success as least.

For your example. The best way for the ACC to survive is to make their schools seem as unappealing as possible, so that nobody would dream of poaching them.

The problem is that the ACC has no unity of effort. When all of your battalions stop being focused on the collective goal, then you will be taken apart in detail.
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The ACC is very unified in its effort to get more money out of ESPN, and I think they will be successful, even if it is just a few million per team. The ACC is going to be fine, and all the schools that left the Big East are going to be lapping us.

The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. It is over.
 
Fishy said:
The ACC Network is a non-starter. Still-born. And every ounce of ACC content is already sold, so they ain't getting another $10M from any source - ESPN will be a partner in the imminent SEC Network and they're not going to throw money down a rathole in those same markets with an ACC Network that really no one wants.

The money the ACC has now is the money they will have in 2020 and beyond - the Big Ten and SEC will swamp them in a couple of years and the gap will expand yearly.

That is the reality of it.
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Hmmm no they own most but don't own every bit of content. The ACC Network won't be a huge moneymaker but it will still make money. They are looking at a pay per view subscription format. Even hooking up with the SEC...it is still in flux. The ACC's Ace is the belief that ESPN doesn't want the ACC to blowup...they don't want teams going to conferences less than 100% WWL.
 
TexanMark said:
Hmmm no they don't own every bit of content. The ACC Network won't be a huge moneymaker but it will still make money. They are looking at a pay per view subscription format.
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Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 are all sold until the mid-2020s.

And there is no Tier 4. ESPN owns all football and basketball, lock, stock and barrel - there is nothing left to the member institutions there. They have first selection rights to every single sport an ACC team plays - and you simply cannot put together anything with the remainder.

They have a look-in in five years, but that won't get them a network, not with the SEC Network lapping the region in two years. (Pay per view...come on. That's not going to make a dime for anyone.) The ACC is a small market league and where they're in larger markets, they're not influential - there's a reason ESPN isn't eager to build a network for their pet.

They're going to be at that $17-18M figure for a long time.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC is very unified in its effort to get more money out of ESPN, and I think they will be successful, even if it is just a few million per team. The ACC is going to be fine, and all the schools that left the Big East are going to be lapping us.

The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. It is over.
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UConn will have to become the Boise St of the east in FB. Your main goal is to stay ahead of Cincy.

Hoops I fear might suffer some now. Who is going to be your Pitt, Cuse, GTown? Temple is nice but not really a national name. Memphis is a great hoops school but not sure Pastner can get them into the Top 15. Will it be Cincy by default?

I hope Cuse and UConn continue to play at least semi-regularly in both sports. I'm not sure how many old BE teams Boeheim wants to play? I figure GTown and SJU rank ahead of UConn due to recruiting and catering to the extended fan bases in those cities. Nova is probably 4th on the must do list.
 
Calling a spade a spade, Jim Boeheim is not exactly Braveheart when it comes to scheduling.

He might play SJU at MSG, but he's not going on the road to play Nova, UConn or Gtown - it's not in his DNA. He won't even want those schools at home.
 
Fishy said:
Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 are all sold until the mid-2020s.

And there is no Tier 4. ESPN owns all football and basketball, lock, stock and barrel - there is nothing left to the member institutions there. They have first selection rights to every single sport an ACC team plays - and you simply cannot put together anything with the remainder.

They have a look-in in five years, but that won't get them a network, not with the SEC Network lapping the region in two years. (Pay per view...come on. That's not going to make a dime for anyone.) The ACC is a small market league and where they're in larger markets, they're not influential - there's a reason ESPN isn't eager to build a network for their pet.

They're going to be at that $17-18M figure for a long time.
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Dodd (yes that genius) quoted something like $19.5M now...of course that is really an average. The unknown is Notre Dame. They are discussing 6 vice 5 ND games now...that would bring a bump. But sadly ND probably would stay indy...even if it meant the ACC getting picked at by the two Big Conferences.

Another unknown is the Alliance thingie...TBD.
 
Fishy said:
Calling a spade a spade, Jim Boeheim is not exactly Braveheart when it comes to scheduling.

He might play SJU at MSG, but he's not going on the road to play Nova, UConn or Gtown - it's not in his DNA. He won't even want those schools at home.
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LOL...I know...but hear me out. One reason for playing so many games in the Dome was that hoops had to generate alot of $$$ since the BE contract sucked. With a tripling of conference $$$ he might venture out and play a couple old chums. It is in Cuse's self interest to show the flag in NYC, Philly and DC and yes even in CT.
 
The renegotiation brought the media fees to around $17M. The idea that Notre Dame joining added $2-2.5M was inaccurate.

An alliance with another conference will not add any media revenue because the media rights are already sold! Whether someone hosts Texas or East Paduka State, the rights to that game already belong to ESPN. Hosting a home game against Notre Dame will not add any media revenue because - raise your hand if you know the answer - the media rights are already sold.

Might help with ticket sales if you're playing OU instead of URI, but honestly, no one in the Big 12 or ACC is going to add another hard game to their schedule - they might replace one hard game with another, but everyone will make sure they're bowl-eligible with the appropriate number of patsies.

An alliance really means that OU and Texas will play footsie with FSU, Clemson and VaTech - it's about making the big fish happy so they're less tempted to expand. The medium and small fish will be unaffected.

This is not hard - the ACC's media rights are fixed. They don't have anything left to sell. They're making decent money, but it also makes them vulnerable long-term - there is a reason why Maryland left.

And I think it might make sense for SU to play Georgetown - lots of SU grads there - but JB really, really doesn't like that sort of thing. I don't see him doing it unless you folks point a gun at his head.
 
Fishy said:
And I think it might make sense for SU to play Georgetown - lots of SU grads there - but JB really, really doesn't like that sort of thing. I don't see him doing it unless you folks point a gun at his head.
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Jim would just whine about the type of gun used.

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BTW, Fishy is dead-on. Just think of this logically...there is nothing (zero, zilch, nada) for the ACC to start a network with. Nothing. They have no rights. To anything. ANNNYYYYTHIIIINNNGGGGG.

Plus, outside of the ACC echo chamber, there is no desire from anyone, anywhere, for an ACC Network. At all.

Face it- the ACC signed a terrible deal, added a few schools that made the contract fifty cents less terrible...and still has a pretty terrible deal with zero leverage.

The idea that ESPN is going to toss out sacks of cash because of a perceived threat at dissolution is insane. If it dissolves...then ESPN will just throw the money at whatever higher-revenue, far more interesting conference is the result of it. Maybe bank the savings for a re-up with NASCAR. Or the Big Ten contract that opens up soon. Or the Thursday night NFL package.
 
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