Big 12 'likely' to be able to have championship game without expanding, per source

[nelsonmuntz]

Let's get back to the original question involving these reports. Do you want to go on the record predicting that the compromise will not pass? That's what you seem to be saying.

I am on the record that the Big 12 will not be able to choose whoever it wants to play in the Championship game. You are on the record saying....what exactly? Oh right, you like to say "I told you so" when you never actually "told you so".

 

[nelsonmuntz]

This slams the door shut on the Big 12 forever. Not looking good for the Huskies. I wonder what questions Herbst will get from the BoT about the $27MM subsidy the athletic department is getting right now.

 

[junglehusky]

I am on the record that the Big 12 will not be able to choose whoever it wants to play in the Championship game. You are on the record saying....what exactly? Oh right, you like to say "I told you so" when you never actually "told you so".

I'm saying the reporting is accurate. And the reporting said that the B12 would be able to play a round robin and have 1 vs. 2 in their CCG. Which you now agree with, thanks for going on the record.

 

[brasssbonanzaa]

This slams the door shut on the Big 12 forever. Not looking good for the Huskies. I wonder what questions Herbst will get from the BoT about the $27MM subsidy the athletic department is getting right now.

Disagree on forever. And if the Big 12 gets to play the title game with 10, how is that Herbst's fault?

 

[upstater]

I'm saying the reporting is accurate. And the reporting said that the B12 would be able to play a round robin and have 1 vs. 2 in their CCG. Which you now agree with, thanks for going on the record.

If they allow this, they have to allow the ACC to do its thing too, because there is no way to determine who is #1 and #2.

 

[CL82]

If they allow this, they have to allow the ACC to do its thing too, because there is no way to determine who is #1 and #2.

Rankings?

 

[upstater]

Rankings?

Look at the pre-championship game rankings of the last few years for the B12. It's madness. Some teams ( identical won-lost records ) were ranked in front of teams that beat them.

If they want to go that way, fine.

But imagine this hypothetical: 11-1 Oklahoma is #1. They've lost to Oklahoma St. 10-2 TCU is ranked #2 in polls. They've lost to Oklahoma St. and Oklahoma. #3 team is Oklahoma St., who lost to Baylor and Texas but played no one out of conference: Central Michigan, Central Arkansas and UTSA (this is actually OSU's OOC this year). TCU though has a win over, say, Tennessee.

Would it make sense that the team with the better conference record (OSU) doesn't get to play against a team they already beat for the conference championship?

 

[CL82]

Look at the pre-championship game rankings of the last few years for the B12. It's madness. Some teams ( identical won-lost records ) were ranked in front of teams that beat them.

If they want to go that way, fine.

But imagine this hypothetical: 11-1 Oklahoma is #1. They've lost to Oklahoma St. 10-2 TCU is ranked #2 in polls. They've lost to Oklahoma St. and Oklahoma. #3 team is Oklahoma St., who lost to Baylor and Texas but played no one out of conference: Central Michigan, Central Arkansas and UTSA (this is actually OSU's OOC this year). TCU though has a win over, say, Tennessee.

Would it make sense that the team with the better conference record (OSU) doesn't get to play against a team they already beat for the conference championship?

I think the basis of the proposed compromise isn't what gets the best team to CFP but rather making sure that the conference can't arbitrarily pick a school to represent them.

 

[upstater]

I think the basis of the proposed compromise isn't what gets the best team to CFP but rather making sure that the conference can't arbitrarily pick a school to represent them.

But that's done easier without a CCG. With a CCG, there's a lot more chance that the rankings are skewed, and that the conference records are less important. At the very least, you need conference record tie-breakers in there to make these determinations.

 

[TRest]

I still don't understand this 10 team conference championship game thing.

What's the point of having a championship game if the teams have already played?

This is positively screwy.

I can't get my head around it.

And doesn't it diminish the earlier games?

I mean, Michigan is not going to play Ohio State in a conference championship game, and that's how it should be.

What the heck is the B12 doing?

The ACC set up their divisions so Miami and FSU could meet in the championship game, despite playing a rivalry crossover game every year. It's just never worked out.

 

[upstater]

The ACC set up their divisions so Miami and FSU could meet in the championship game, despite playing a rivalry crossover game every year. It's just never worked out.

Yeah, but, they have 14 teams. So it's not a round robin.

 

[BUConn10]

It's quite fascinating really. It's almost as if there is a single man's hand behind all this conference realignment stuff whose sole mission in life is to destroy UConn. If this entire CR ordeal was to be re-enacted, I don't think the series of events that have taken place over the last few years could have been more disastrous for this program if the powers that be tried. Every single bit of news that is published, every rumor that is started, every NCAA announcement, goes squarely against the success of this program that I love.

I've given up hope and have accepted the reality, it hurts less than getting your hopes crushed repeatedly. This board will always be a part of UConn's main discussion board, always.

 

[junglehusky]

It's quite fascinating really. It's almost as if there is a single man's hand behind all this conference realignment stuff whose sole mission in life is to destroy UConn. If this entire CR ordeal was to be re-enacted, I don't think the series of events that have taken place over the last few years could have been more disastrous for this program if the powers that be tried. Every single bit of news that is published, every rumor that is started, every NCAA announcement, goes squarely against the success of this program that I love.

I've given up hope and have accepted the reality, it hurts less than getting your hopes crushed repeatedly. This board will always be a part of UConn's main discussion board, always.

If it were up to, say, WVU, we'd be in the B12. If it were up to the Tobacco Road schools, we'd be in the ACC. Conferences are messy conglomerates of competing interests.

I understand this doesn't alleviate any of the anxiety though.

 

[amory]

It's quite fascinating really. It's almost as if there is a single man's hand behind all this conference realignment stuff whose sole mission in life is to destroy UConn. If this entire CR ordeal was to be re-enacted, I don't think the series of events that have taken place over the last few years could have been more disastrous for this program if the powers that be tried. Every single bit of news that is published, every rumor that is started, every NCAA announcement, goes squarely against the success of this program that I love.

I've given up hope and have accepted the reality, it hurts less than getting your hopes crushed repeatedly. This board will always be a part of UConn's main discussion board, always.

It could always be worse. Objectively speaking no expansion isn't the worst outcome. They could've expanded and took 2 good AAC programs and put us in an even worse spot.

 

[BUConn10]

It could always be worse. Objectively speaking no expansion isn't the worst outcome. They could've expanded and took 2 good AAC programs and put us in an even worse spot.

That's coming.

 

[NYUConn]

If it were up to, say, WVU, we'd be in the B12. If it were up to the Tobacco Road schools, we'd be in the ACC. Conferences are messy conglomerates of competing interests.

I understand this doesn't alleviate any of the anxiety though.

If this thing goes South in the next 12-48 hours - and it's looking increasingly likely it will - I think there are some positives we can take out of it.

Our entire fan base and administration mobilized publicly and behind the scenes to put us in a position to get a spot in the P5.

When the wheels start spinning again - and they will - if we can activate the way we did over the pass few weeks, there is no way we get passed over.

 

[Kolumbo]

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

 

[Dooley]

Honestly, I won't be crushed if the B12 stays put at 10. The only scenario that would send me into a CR spiral would be if the B12 expanded by taking a few mediocre AAC schools away from us.

I get the sense in my own Twitter travels from the past few weeks that college sports fans think that UConn is a P5 school, but better suited for the B1G or ACC. I tend to agree.

If the B12 stays at 10, there is a 100% chance that it will lose more members at some point between now and their next TV contract. When that happens, it will start the wheels again. Until that day, we just need to keep doing what we are doing. Markets, academics, athletics, brand, TV ratings, licensing, football popularity...we are at or near the top of every important metric in comparison with our G5 competition. We make for a very easy partner when the day comes that a B12 school decides to bolt for greener and more secure pastures.

 

[Kolumbo]

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but when the day comes that programs leave the Big 12 for greener pastures, the Big 12 will no longer be Power. I also can't keep following this minutia for another year, let alone 5-10. Ugh.

 

[Husky92]

I also can't keep following this minutia for another year, let alone 5-10. Ugh.

That's what I keep saying, and yet...here I am still checking regularly every day, week after week, year after year...

 

[upstater]

I don't mean to beat a dead horse but when the day comes that programs leave the Big 12 for greener pastures, the Big 12 will no longer be Power. I also can't keep following this minutia for another year, let alone 5-10. Ugh.

It might be fun though to play Kansas and West Virginia rather than Tulsa and Tulane.

 

[junglehusky]

That's what I keep saying, and yet...here I am still checking regularly every day, week after week, year after year...

The Red Sox were cursed for decades, and then they won 2 WS's. Guns 'N Roses took forever to release Chinese Democracy, Dr. Dre took forever to release a follow-up to The Chronic 2001, but they eventually did.

 

[NYUConn]

The Red Sox were cursed for decades, and then they won 2 WS's. Guns 'N Roses took forever to release Chinese Democracy, Dr. Dre took forever to release a follow-up to The Chronic 2001, but they eventually did.

Yeah but Axl Rose.

 

[UC313]

The Red Sox were cursed for decades, and then they won 2 WS's. Guns 'N Roses took forever to release Chinese Democracy, Dr. Dre took forever to release a follow-up to The Chronic 2001, but they eventually did.

"aint gonna be nothin after that, this is the millennium of aftermath, gimme one more platinum plaque and rap you can have it back"

 

[CL82]

But that's done easier without a CCG. With a CCG, there's a lot more chance that the rankings are skewed, and that the conference records are less important. At the very least, you need conference record tie-breakers in there to make these determinations.

But there would not be a tie in rankings, right?

 

[upstater]

But there would not be a tie in rankings, right?

Rankings can be tied, but that would be incredibly rare for teams from the same conference to be tied.

 

[Kolumbo]

In the case of a tie, they first look to size of state, then to enrollment. Hook 'em!

 

[Penfield]

just got a text that this is all a ploy to get us at a reduced price.

 

[UConn990411]

duckk college sports.

 

[Adios]

duckk college sports.

You should enjoy some D2 or D3 school. More stable.