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ZooCougar said:
Yeah, I kept waiting for the big transformational moment and when it came it was pretty underwhelming.
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‘Life’ happens incrementally. Should (good, well-written) TV not reflect this? Very few epiphanies, sudden jolts of lucidity, moments of extreme clarity. Not sure I like the show, but the story arc and character development seemed reasonable.
 
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Gretchen said:
‘Life’ happens incrementally. Should (good, well-written) TV not reflect this? Very few epiphanies, sudden jolts of lucidity, moments of extreme clarity. Not sure I like the show, but the story arc and character development seemed reasonable.
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Vince Gilligan was allowed a certain amount of latitude. He probably was given a wink and nod assurance that a second season was imminent. Had this been a new show, and not a spin off of one of the most popular series in history, major character development would have already occurred.
 
Husky25 said:
Vince Gilligan was allowed a certain amount of latitude. He probably was given a wink and nod assurance that a second season was imminent. Had this been a new show, and not a spin off of one of the most popular series in history, major character development would have already occurred.
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A reasonable assertion.
 
Gretchen said:
‘Life’ happens incrementally. Should (good, well-written) TV not reflect this? Very few epiphanies, sudden jolts of lucidity, moments of extreme clarity. Not sure I like the show, but the story arc and character development seemed reasonable.
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That's fair. But these TV shows mostly are larger than life. I really liked the show, I just didn't care for the season finale.
 
Season 2 premiers tonight following a season 1 marathon. Episode 4 airing as I type (McGill's billboard).
 
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Great start to season 2. Feels like they have their footing on both who Jimmy really is and how he doesn't know it. Seems like they've done away with the riddles of hidden agendas and backstories and are now more focused on the unknown of what actually happens next. I was riveted by both A and B plot in this first episode. Looking forward to seeing Jimmy pitted directly against the real villain.
 
One thing I found interesting was how seamlessly Kim was able to move into character when they conned the stock broker (along with how turned on she was with pulling it off). Obviously that relationship ends and until Monday it appeared that Jimmy returning to his con artist roots would be the cause. Evidently it is something more.
 
Man, Michael McKean's character (Charles), just annoys the hell out of me. Wish they would just kill him off or something.
 
meyers7 said:
Man, Michael McKean's character (Charles), just annoys the hell out of me. Wish they would just kill him off or something.
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There is no way he gets killed off until the McGill >>> Goodman transformation is completed. Chuck is the catalyst for it in the first place.
 
Chuck is performed by McKean exactly how he needs to be. It is amazing how easy it is to hate him. A quality double meaning (that I believe will be played on in the show) is the nickname"Charlie Hustle". While the intended meaning is that of a go-getter, Chuck's interpretation is Jimmy is merely a street hustler and does not view the nickname as complimentary (especially as it includes his first name).
 
Husky25 said:
There is no way he gets killed off until the McGill >>> Goodman transformation is completed. Chuck is the catalyst for it in the first place.
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Probably not, but the character is sooooo annoying. I almost turn it off when he comes on. And I like McKean.
 
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meyers7 said:
Probably not, but the character is sooooo annoying. I almost turn it off when he comes on. And I like McKean.
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I like the character/acting/concept well enough to deal with it, but the electro-paranoia is a little far fetched and the tolerance for it is distracting. Someday someone has to resist turning in their phones and turning out the lights.
The Mike B-plot was fantastic already & then when Saul came in with the sitting video story it was spun to gold.
 
I wonder (hope is more like it) if Mike's character is the next spin off in a few years. Take him back to when he was a cop back in Philly (I think that's where he was from). I like this show a lot, and he is the most interesting character (IMO) in it.
 
SAMCRO said:
I wonder (hope is more like it) if Mike's character is the next spin off in a few years. Take him back to when he was a cop back in Philly (I think that's where he was from). I like this show a lot, and he is the most interesting character (IMO) in it.
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Agree, but he's just not a lead - he is a supporting guy. Would hate to see Mike 'Sipowitzzc's" = turned into an emotionally complex, sometimes naked, sensitive family man. He's simply better as a terse SOB.
 
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Not liking the writing/plot from last night. Mike's segments were great, but Jimmy running the ad on his own w/o approval is just stupid. Any kid fresh out of even an specious online college knows better than that. Jimmy works the angles and edges. So far he seems more than capable of figuring out the risks of his actions and his odds of getting away with them. But running the ad was full blown stupidity, especially as he can't be dumb enough to know that it will also likely take Kim down with him. Really a bad move and IMO, not in character. Maybe he's intentionally committing career/relationship suidcide, but this line of action really elicits no empathy.
 
storrsroars said:
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Not liking the writing/plot from last night. Mike's segments were great, but Jimmy running the ad on his own w/o approval is just stupid. Any kid fresh out of even an specious online college knows better than that. Jimmy works the angles and edges. So far he seems more than capable of figuring out the risks of his actions and his odds of getting away with them. But running the ad was full blown stupidity, especially as he can't be dumb enough to know that it will also likely take Kim down with him. Really a bad move and IMO, not in character. Maybe he's intentionally committing career/relationship suidcide, but this line of action really elicits no empathy.
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He was probably in the mind of "easier to get forgiveness than permission". And yea, I don't think he really likes the job anyway. Push the envelope, if he loses the job, he loses the job. Then he can get back to what he really loves. He's mostly doing this for the girl anyway. As soon as she dumps him or he figures out he'll never measure up for her, the sooner he can get on with his life the way he wants.
 
The problem with all of Jimmy's actions is that the audience knows for absolute certainty that Jimmy becomes Saul. So whatever he does, however illogical for Jimmy, he must become Saul.
 
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We also know for a certainty that he eventually ends up working at Cinnabon.

So we know Jimmy blows it and becomes Saul and Saul blows it and becomes Cinnabon man.

Rough sledding ahead.
 
Yeah, its kind of 'what is the collateral damage on the way to becoming Saul' that's interesting in terms of the characters. I didn't like the Jimmy decision either, hoping that the uncanny ability of Vince G to intelligently write Walter White out of seemingly impossible situations re-emerges here.

Not as bad, but the gunshots quest for money by Mike's daughter-in-law was too transparent. Yes he saw thru it too, but wasn't she previously super paranoid about lifestyle and doing the right thing? Or are we to assume that she learned to live with Mike killing his son's killers and so now her morale boundaries are compromised?
Let Mike be greedy himself and have that result in drug dealing. Likewise I was ready for a season of Jimmy doing the boring right thing 90% of the time but being unable to resist and flourish in pro-bono cake sitting situations.
 
Much better episode last night. Things are starting to move along.
 
Jimmy nearly gets canned by Davis and Main but the commercial worked!! Kim gets demoted by her boss as a result.

Mike helps take down Tuco for Nacho. Instead of a kill shot Mike opted for police-witnessed battery and burglary.
 
Yup, definitely a good episode (glad I watched it before reading Dove's synopsis above;) I kid, I kid...) We are getting closer to officially meeting Saul Goodman, attorney at law.
 
Best episode of the show so far. However, I hope they focus on more than two people's lives. In BB, it was Walter White, Hank, and Jesse. In BCS, it's only Saul and Mike. If they focused on Tuco's life it would also be good.
 
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I love how they keep bringing in the minor characters from Breaking Bad. The guy who handed Tuco money in the restaurant was the first person Walt killed in Breaking Bad. He ends up being the guy that Walt and Jesse have in the basement and Walt chokes him with the bike lock.

Even the way Saul ends up in Omaha managing a Cinnabon - he foreshadows that in one of the last episodes of Breaking Bad when him and Walt are hiding in a house waiting for their fake passports/IDs to me made. Great stuff.
 
Vuce said:
I love how they keep bringing in the minor characters from Breaking Bad. The guy who handed Tuco money in the restaurant was the first person Walt killed in Breaking Bad. He ends up being the guy that Walt and Jesse have in the basement and Walt chokes him with the bike lock.

Even the way Saul ends up in Omaha managing a Cinnabon - he foreshadows that in one of the last episodes of Breaking Bad when him and Walt are hiding in a house waiting for their fake passports/IDs to me made. Great stuff.
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Right. I knew the Tampico furniture store (the guys van) sounded familiar.
 
Vuce said:
I love how they keep bringing in the minor characters from Breaking Bad. The guy who handed Tuco money in the restaurant was the first person Walt killed in Breaking Bad. He ends up being the guy that Walt and Jesse have in the basement and Walt chokes him with the bike lock.

Even the way Saul ends up in Omaha managing a Cinnabon - he foreshadows that in one of the last episodes of Breaking Bad when him and Walt are hiding in a house waiting for their fake passports/IDs to me made. Great stuff.
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The arms dealer continues to be one of my favorite ultra-minor characters. In real life, I am on the side of more gun control (or at least adherence and enforcement of gun control already on the books), but this is entertainment and I think the actor plays a phenomenal part.
 
shizzle787 said:
Best episode of the show so far. However, I hope they focus on more than two people's lives. In BB, it was Walter White, Hank, and Jesse. In BCS, it's only Saul and Mike. If they focused on Tuco's life it would also be good.
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Looks like Kim has emerged as the 3rd point on the triangle (previously it was kinda Chuck). I'd love to see her cross paths with Mike some day, they are both realists of few words but Kim's idealism versus Mike's cynicism would be great.

Jimmy is actually the least interesting of the 3 right now. Even though we know what happens to Mike, I'm dying to see how he gets outta jail time and practically foaming at the mouth for Gus Fring. IMO Gus is the best TV villain probably ever. Its weird I want a lot of Mike & Gus going forward, but with Jimmy I'd kind of prefer that jump to the Cinnabon days so that we aren't burdened knowing what happens next.

Yet I think Jimmy seemingly about to flip to Saul may be another bluff that they will backtrack. I feel like whenever the metamorphosis to Saul happens it has to simultaneously have Chuck melt down ending up at "nervous hospital" or worse.
 
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