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Thoughts on the season finale? I thought it was fine... We have almost become conditioned to expect "holy " finales, so in a sense, this didn't match that... But you do see the turning point of Jimmy in to Saul.
 
CTMike said:
Thoughts on the season finale? I thought it was fine... We have almost become conditioned to expect "holy " finales, so in a sense, this didn't match that... But you do see the turning point of Jimmy in to Saul.
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Well, I'm definitely looking forward to season 2, so on that count it worked.
 
CTMike said:
Thoughts on the season finale? I thought it was fine... We have almost become conditioned to expect "holy " finales, so in a sense, this didn't match that... But you do see the turning point of Jimmy in to Saul.
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I watching it now. The bingo segment was difficult to get through. Seriously - it was more than seven minutes.
 
CTMike said:
Thoughts on the season finale? I thought it was fine... We have almost become conditioned to expect "holy " finales, so in a sense, this didn't match that... But you do see the turning point of Jimmy in to Saul.
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I really like the show, but the finale sucked.
 
Yeah I didn't think the finale was anything special. I wouldn't say it sucked though. I thought the bingo scene was longer than it needed to be but it served it's purpose. The rest of the episode was more important than it was surprising. We already know he has to slide into being a slimy lawyer so they pretty much had to set that up.

The "I know what was holding me back and it's not going to hold me back anymore" line was a great way to end the season. Mike's part in that conversation will obviously go a long way towards establishing a long term relationship with Saul.
 
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temery said:
I really like the show, but the finale sucked.
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Yeah, I kept waiting for the big transformational moment and when it came it was pretty underwhelming.
 
It certainly seems like it'll end up being an important episode, but it lacked the excitement we've come to expect from finales.

I have a feeling next season will heat up big time.
 
The best shows do not need huge plot twists every episode to work. Many of the best Mad Men or Sopranos episodes were about nothing. One of the best Game of Thrones episodes ever was when Jaime, Bronn and Oberyn Martell visit Tyrion in the dungeon. Nothing happens in the episode, and it was great TV. I liked the way Better Call Saul ended the season.

I wish Halt and Catch Fire would slow down the jaw dropping events a bit and just tell the story. It was interesting for a few episodes, but it is getting a bit much. That was Boss' problem (the Kelsey Grammar show on Starz). The first few episodes were incredible, but by the end of the first season, the excess of insanity was starting to blur the show's overall plot. House of Cards is crossing this line too. It can't be shocking if it happens every week.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The best shows do not need huge plot twists every episode to work. Many of the best Mad Men or Sopranos episodes were about nothing. One of the best Game of Thrones episodes ever was when Jaime, Bronn and Oberyn Martell visit Tyrion in the dungeon. Nothing happens in the episode, and it was great TV. I liked the way Better Call Saul ended the season.

I wish Halt and Catch Fire would slow down the jaw dropping events a bit and just tell the story. It was interesting for a few episodes, but it is getting a bit much. That was Boss' problem (the Kelsey Grammar show on Starz). The first few episodes were incredible, but by the end of the first season, the excess of insanity was starting to blur the show's overall plot. House of Cards is crossing this line too. It can't be shocking if it happens every week.
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I don't need the twist. But nothing really happened to make me want to see next season's first episode the minute after the last one ended. . When Game of Thrones and Mad Men end their seasons it usually ends on a note like that. This was just kind of mediocre.
 
ZooCougar said:
I don't need the twist. But nothing really happened to make me want to see next season's first episode the minute after the last one ended. . When Game of Thrones and Mad Men end their seasons it usually ends on a note like that. This was just kind of mediocre.
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I think that's due in part to the fact that we already knew he was going to be this Slippin' Jimmy lawyer hybrid. It leaves no room for us to expect him to stay on a morally agreeable career path. The end result of that is that when he announces that his desire to impress Chuck is no longer going to hold him back, we cannot possibly be surprised.

I think the only way to have a big moment in the finale would be if it was driven by some other aspect of the show. Given that the entire season was just setting up why he's going to become Saul Goodman, there was really nothing else for it to be. If anything, the second to last episode may have been a better finale (the reveal of Chuck blocking him from HHM could have been the big moment).

In any event, I agree with 990411. I think the Nacho story line is going to really pick up next season and it's going to be great TV.
 
mets1090 said:
. If anything, the second to last episode may have been a better finale (the reveal of Chuck blocking him from HHM could have been the big moment).

In any event, I agree with 990411. I think the Nacho story line is going to really pick up next season and it's going to be great TV.
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Before I even got to your line about the second to last episode being a better finale I was thinking the same thing. The last episode might even have been a good first episode for next season minus the lengthy bingo scene.
 
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mets1090 said:
I think that's due in part to the fact that we already knew he was going to be this Slippin' Jimmy lawyer hybrid. It leaves no room for us to expect him to stay on a morally agreeable career path. The end result of that is that when he announces that his desire to impress Chuck is no longer going to hold him back, we cannot possibly be surprised.

I think the only way to have a big moment in the finale would be if it was driven by some other aspect of the show. Given that the entire season was just setting up why he's going to become Saul Goodman, there was really nothing else for it to be. If anything, the second to last episode may have been a better finale (the reveal of Chuck blocking him from HHM could have been the big moment).

In any event, I agree with 990411. I think the Nacho story line is going to really pick up next season and it's going to be great TV.
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More Mike and more Nacho next season is a must.

We already know Nacho works under Tuco, and that he's doing some secret deals on the side. That's bound to blow up at some point.
 
UConn990411 said:
More Mike and more Nacho next season is a must.

We already know Nacho works under Tuco, and that he's doing some secret deals on the side. That's bound to blow up at some point.
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Mike's character could easily be equal to or great than jimmy's.
 
Help me out - Saul was in breaking bad? I couldn't get into that show - what was Saul's character like? A lawyer like Chuck, or more like he was in the beginning of better call Saul?
 
Neither - he represents bad guys mostly, and has one of those obnoxious TV commercials.

And you really should give Breaking Bad another shot.
 
Agree with most here.

That bingo scene - ugh. Next season much more Mike. Now that jimmy is becoming Saul we'll see a lot more of seedy characters such as Nacho.
temery said:
Help me out - Saul was in breaking bad? I couldn't get into that show - what was Saul's character like? A lawyer like Chuck, or more like he was in the beginning of better call Saul?
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Saul in breaking bad is an ambulance chaser that's well connected to the underbelly of Albuquerque. If he doesn't know the guy, he knows a guy that knows a guy. He can talk his way out of anything - like you saw in the desert with nacho and tuco. He's not a criminal lawyer, but a criminal lawyer.

I highly recommend you go back and watch BB.
 
temery said:
Help me out - Saul was in breaking bad? I couldn't get into that show - what was Saul's character like? A lawyer like Chuck, or more like he was in the beginning of better call Saul?
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Yeah, go watch it. Feel free to fast forward through anything regarding Walt's relatives.
 
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I just watched the last 3 episodes of the season. I sort of got the feeling that Chuck was most responsible for keeping Jimmy down after watching the way Chuck acted during the flashback scene with the Bar Exam letter. Jimmy had to prod Chuck for a congratulations, which is what Kim expressed immediately. Chuck was far more concerned with the means rather than the end. It also makes sense that Chuck's "condition" is a direct result of Jimmy becoming Chuck's "colleague."
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The best shows do not need huge plot twists every episode to work. Many of the best Mad Men or Sopranos episodes were about nothing. One of the best Game of Thrones episodes ever was when Jaime, Bronn and Oberyn Martell visit Tyrion in the dungeon. Nothing happens in the episode, and it was great TV. I liked the way Better Call Saul ended the season.

I wish Halt and Catch Fire would slow down the jaw dropping events a bit and just tell the story. It was interesting for a few episodes, but it is getting a bit much. That was Boss' problem (the Kelsey Grammar show on Starz). The first few episodes were incredible, but by the end of the first season, the excess of insanity was starting to blur the show's overall plot. House of Cards is crossing this line too. It can't be shocking if it happens every week.
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This is why I got fed up with Sons of Anarchy at the end. It seemed like every episode in the few couple seasons had a major conflict. I reason that the show dealt with outlaw bikers and I'm supposed to willingly suspend my disbelief, but I increasingly found it hard to believe ANYONE, let alone a self proclaimed mediocre motorcycle mechanic with a GED, could cover up that much capital crime and smooth over the bad blood that would have resulted.

You're correct about House of Cards. Claire leaving the WH is a nice cliff hanger though.
 
Husky25 said:
This is why I got fed up with Sons of Anarchy at the end. It seemed like every episode in the few couple seasons had a major conflict. I reason that the show dealt with outlaw bikers and I'm supposed to willingly suspend my disbelief, but I increasingly found it hard to believe ANYONE, let alone a self proclaimed mediocre motorcycle mechanic with a GED, could cover up that much capital crime and smooth over the bad blood that would have resulted.

You're correct about House of Cards. Claire leaving the WH is a nice cliff hanger though.
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Your gonna spoil HOC for someone who thinks they are cruising through a Better Call Saul thread.
 
walker11 said:
Your gonna spoil HOC for someone who thinks they are cruising through a Better Call Saul thread.
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The FLOTUS is, in fact, allowed to step outside.
 
mets1090 said:
Yeah I didn't think the finale was anything special. I wouldn't say it sucked though. I thought the bingo scene was longer than it needed to be but it served it's purpose. The rest of the episode was more important than it was surprising. We already know he has to slide into being a slimy lawyer so they pretty much had to set that up.
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The bingo scene was beyond overkill. I believe they could have demonstrated Jimmy hitting a breaking point (and also explained what Jimmy did that led to Chuck getting him released and moving him to Santa Fe) in a manner that flowed better.

The remainder of the episode was basically allowing Jimmy to realize who and what he really is.

mets1090 said:
The "I know what was holding me back and it's not going to hold me back anymore" line was a great way to end the season. Mike's part in that conversation will obviously go a long way towards establishing a long term relationship with Saul.
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I immediately felt that Jimmy's attempt to prove himself to Chuck was what held him back. Now I'm wondering if it was Kim, not Chuck who he was attempting to prove something to (as the partnership in the new firm was something she felt he wanted).

Something that never wavered (well, only in two emotion driven scenes, one in Breaking Bad and when he broke down and fessed up to his daughter-in-law) was that Mike was always professional. He is an incredible character. I realize that characters of that quality can be ruined if there is too much exposure but to date with this show it appears they are erring on the side of caution (to a great extent) in their attempt to prevent this.
 
Who in Better Call Saul, other than Jimmy, was in Breaking Bad?
 
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The most important cross-over characters are Mike and Nacho.
 
I thought it was a so/so "finale." The bingo scene showed Jimmy was bored with his elderly clients. And the return to his old haunts showed that going back to a life of scams wouldn't cut it either. And we learned that Chuck is never going to accept him as a big firm lawyer. So the only avenue left is to become Saul. But his decision to cross the line was devoid of drama. And the very end failed to evoke any "I can't wait" anticipation for the next season.

Some episodes were great - particularly Mike's backstory with his son. Looking forward to more Mike, more Nachos as Jimmy turns to Saul. I thought Kim's character was especially disappointing, as her only role was seemingly to serve as a go-between for HH&M and Jimmy.
 
temery said:
Who in Better Call Saul, other than Jimmy, was in Breaking Bad?
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Tuco first appears in season one. Saul and Mike first appear in season two. Saul mentions Nacho at some point but he does not appear.
 
UConn Dan said:
Tuco first appears in season one. Saul and Mike first appear in season two. Saul mentions Nacho at some point but he does not appear.
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This. Plus it's a safe but that other characters will start to be introduced as the series progresses.

I'm sure Bill Burr's character will make a few appearances along with Huell. I also would think that while we may not actually see Gus Fring, we'll probably see his main henchman (Victor). These probably won't be major characters in the show but there will likely be implications that will be easier picked up on if you're familiar with their futures.
 
mets1090 said:
This. Plus it's a safe but that other characters will start to be introduced as the series progresses.

I'm sure Bill Burr's character will make a few appearances along with Huell. I also would think that while we may not actually see Gus Fring, we'll probably see his main henchman (Victor). These probably won't be major characters in the show but there will likely be implications that will be easier picked up on if you're familiar with their futures.
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Yes. I think all of those characters will make appearances down the road with Fring likely only as a cameo.

Hopefully Huell can make it - I'm concerned for his health.
 
UConn Dan said:
Yes. I think all of those characters will make appearances down the road with Fring likely only as a cameo.

Hopefully Huell can make it - I'm concerned for his health.
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**Breaking Bad Spoiler - highlight below to see**

I'm more concerned that Huell is somehow still stuck in that safe house. No one was left alive to tell him when it was safe to leave.
 
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