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I've got a soft spot for "perceived" underdogs and have pulled for many mid-majors in the past (unless it had an adverse impact on the Big East). After many years of "conditioning" as a Big East fan, I couldn't shake rooting for West Virginia as they played OK State yesterday. Having said that, and true to form, I will be pulling for a Temple upset over Villanova. . .
 
metsfan2323 said:
That looks like a great arena. Possible future sight of the C7 tournament. :cool:
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It'll be interesting to see how the ratings and attendance shapes up for their tourney at MSG. Other conferences will be watching. . .
 
noeynox said:
I hear you. It is how I feel about the current Big East. I have found myself watching at least portions of ACC games (don't know why), but I have zero interest watching games involving Marquette, Providence and Seton Hall. I'd watch Nova, GTown, and St Johns in the tournament. Watching UFC prelims on FS1, last night, they were promoting Big East basketball. I cannot believer their ratings continue to suck. Fox Sports backed the wrong horse.
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The ratings suck because it's FS1. I still laugh at the people who wanted UConn involved with NBCS. Half of them now mock the FS1 ratings. And NBCS is the cheapest org in the world...

Part of the reason I'm more interested in the Big East is because I am friends with Seton Hall, Marquette, Georgetown, 3 Nova grads and about a half dozen Providence fans. I've never met anyone who went to SMU, Houston, Tulsa or UCF. Tulane may as well be a fictional place in Grisham books.

I do know a ton of Temple grads but not a single one gives a damn about Temple sports.
 
whaler11 said:
The ratings suck because it's FS1. I still laugh at the people who wanted UConn involved with NBCS. Half of them now mock the FS1 ratings. And NBCS is the cheapest org in the world...
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I'm probably being too much of a homer, but I think UConn's ratings on FS1 would be better, much better than what the Big East is delivering. If it was only the channel they are on, the ratings would suck for their UFC, Big12, and PAC 12 content as well. Those other leagues have provided at least decent ratings on occassion from what I've seen.
 
whaler11 said:
You only judge their quality on NCAA tournament games. I look at the bigger picture - really Florida Gulf Coast had a fun run, but their two wins is worth more than 15 years of quality teams? Davidson had one sublime player - good for them, but he left and they disappeared back into the ether. Seriously Cleveland State and Loyola Marymount? Are there two better examples of flashes in the pan - from 25 years ago?

Yeah they aren't as good as Xavier, Butler and Gonzaga. Neither are 75% of the Big 12, ACC and SEC.
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What I'm saying is that even flashes in the pan have had more tournament success!!!!
 
Creighton's a good program - like most mid-majors, they don't have a hell of a lot of NCAA tournament success, but they have won games and generally showed they belonged, even when they lost. Their attendance is great and they've had two truly great players over the past decade or so.

But they ain't the best 'program' in the new Big East. (Not the worst, either.)
 
whaler11 said:
Since upstater loves to slander them, I figured I'd share a picture of Creighton's arena tonight.

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Where and what is "Creighton"? Is that some school that we start hearing about in Feb/Mar and then promptly forget about for the rest of the year?
 
ZooCougar said:
Where and what is "Creighton"? Is that some school that we start hearing about in Feb/Mar and then promptly forget about for the rest of the year?
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You've only used that joke a half dozen times. Very funny for someone who has lived in Kansas City - it's so far from Omaha.

Since you are a fan at watching human chemistry projects ride bicycles I'd be careful throwing rocks.
 
Fishy said:
Creighton's a good program - like most mid-majors, they don't have a hell of a lot of NCAA tournament success, but they have won games and generally showed they belonged, even when they lost. Their attendance is great and they've had two truly great players over the past decade or so.

But they ain't the best 'program' in the new Big East. (Not the worst, either.)
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I don't really think they are the best program in the latest Big East - but I wouldn't be shocked if they were in a decade.
 
noeynox said:
I'm probably being too much of a homer, but I think UConn's ratings on FS1 would be better, much better than what the Big East is delivering. If it was only the channel they are on, the ratings would suck for their UFC, Big12, and PAC 12 content as well. Those other leagues have provided at least decent ratings on occassion from what I've seen.
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Their ratings suck pretty much for everything but UFC. I imagine UConn would would be above their averages - since just the Connecticut audience alone would be higher than what they get.
 
upstater said:
What I'm saying is that even flashes in the pan have had more tournament success!!!!
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Well that is why they are flashes in the pan, so by definition that's true. Would you like the list of hundreds of schools who haven't won 4 NCAA games in the last 15 years?
 
Creighton, Gonzaga and their ilk are one month darlings....nationally, folks only watch and care about them in the month of March.

Everyone loves an underdog...but as soon as their warm up act is done..it's over for them. The momentary spotlight on the third ring moves to the center ring and their act as introductory entertainment is forgotten as the main show begins.
 
billybud said:
Creighton, Gonzaga and their ilk are one month darlings....nationally, folks only watch and care about them in the month of March.

Everyone loves an underdog...but as soon as their warm up act is done..it's over for them. The momentary spotlight on the third ring moves to the center ring and their act as introductory entertainment is forgotten as the main show begins.
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Gonzaga gets more ink and more attention in one season than FSU basketball gets in a decade.
 
whaler11 said:
You've only used that joke a half dozen times. Very funny for someone who has lived in Kansas City - it's so far from Omaha.

Since you are a fan at watching human chemistry projects ride bicycles I'd be careful throwing rocks.
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Every player in the NFL is a human chemistry project. You should be careful about throwing rocks.
 
billybud said:
Creighton, Gonzaga and their ilk are one month darlings....nationally, folks only watch and care about them in the month of March.

Everyone loves an underdog...but as soon as their warm up act is done..it's over for them. The momentary spotlight on the third ring moves to the center ring and their act as introductory entertainment is forgotten as the main show begins.
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Exactly. Nobody gives a crap. Except for the people that live wherever "Creighton" is.
 
Fishy said:
Or people who, you know, watch college basketball.
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I think that people who watch college basketball care far more about the big ticket programs. "Creighton" is a local thing.
 
whaler11 said:
Well that is why they are flashes in the pan, so by definition that's true. Would you like the list of hundreds of schools who haven't won 4 NCAA games in the last 15 years?
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What is the point of this question? Are you saying Creighton is in some middle ground? Yes, I agree. They aren't as bad as North Dakota, but they haven't done what the top say 10-15 mid-majors have done in the tourney the last 40 years. The thing that bugs me about Creighton is that when they were in the MVC, they were highly ranked nationally for many years. And it never amounted to anything. Gonzaga and Butler at least put a run together. VCU and Wichita St. too. Even Xavier. Come on.
 
upstater said:
What is the point of this question? Are you saying Creighton is in some middle ground? Yes, I agree. They aren't as bad as North Dakota, but they haven't done what the top say 10-15 mid-majors have done in the tourney the last 40 years. The thing that bugs me about Creighton is that when they were in the MVC, they were highly ranked nationally for many years. And it never amounted to anything. Gonzaga and Butler at least put a run together. VCU and Wichita St. too. Even Xavier. Come on.
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I love how you keep bringing it back to 40 years. That's what someone would do to disparage UConn's success.

You are insanely stupid on this topic and have some weird Creighton grudge that doesn't allow you to be reasonable.

I'd ask you to name 10 mid majors who were better over the last 15 years but you'd list idiocy like FGCU.

You are angry about rankings? They got one seed over 8 in 15 years. If anything they were underseeded and got screwed - not your bizarre impression that they have underperformed their 'ranking'.
 
whaler11 said:
Yes sorry Cincinnati. Comparing the basketball they will be very even I think in the long run. From a which games would I rather watch, if UConn wasn't in the AAC I'd ignore it - outside of Cincinnati there isn't anyone I could even pretend to be interested in. Yes, I have an odd hatred of Memphis - I've always hated them back to the Memphis State days.
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That's funny because without Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville who really gives a sh *t about the Big East?
 
Vuce said:
That's funny because without Uconn, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville who really gives a about the Big East?
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Ding.
 
whaler11 said:
I love how you keep bringing it back to 40 years. That's what someone would do to disparage UConn's success.

You are insanely stupid on this topic and have some weird Creighton grudge that doesn't allow you to be reasonable.

I'd ask you to name 10 mid majors who were better over the last 15 years but you'd list idiocy like FGCU.

You are angry about rankings? They got one seed over 8 in 15 years. If anything they were underseeded and got screwed - not your bizarre impression that they have underperformed their 'ranking'.
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40/30/20/10/5 it's all the same. Out in the first weekend.
 
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