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Four Final Fours back...Duke won the National Championship.

You have to go back 24 years to find a real Cinderella national Champ (UNLV).

Since 2003, five teams that are now in the ACC have won a basketball NC....

Creighton might be able to make the Sweet 16 (have they done so and when?). Many mid majors can make the Sweet Sixteen and even the Elite Eight. Even a football school like FSU has made the Sweet Sixteen of recent. But that is where the glass ceiling is.

When I was a senior at FSU, the Noles played in the finals against one of John Wooten's legendary teams...30-0 record and Bill Walton at center. Way, way back in anybody's day...but I still remember the season.

No, three times in the last four Final Fours the mid-majors have broken through the "glass ceiling" as you've defined it. BTW, in that same time period 5 Big East teams made it with multiple championships. And if you go back one more year then you have 7 Big East teams making the Final Four. I love how some ACC fans quickly co-opt Big East Success. . .
 
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Since the Big East is dead I figured I'd check on the corpse.

Conference rankings:
KenPom: 3rd
Sagarin: 4th
RPI: 4th

To contrast to the ACC with Louisville and without two more dregs coming next year:

KenPom: 7th
Sagarins:8th
RPI: 8th

The AAC is behind the A-10 in two of those metrics and the Big East is ahead of the ACC and Pac 12 in the Pomeroys. But the Big East is dying....
 
The ACC has been in a down period the last several years...

Cuse is doing fine...but Duke and UNC don't seem to be quite the heavyweights that they sometimes are.

FSU beat UMass and VCU but can't play with Virginia, Duke, et al.
 
What? You're one of those BE will be better than AAC people. Clearly, the AAC has it over the BE, in teams and in interest.

The BE's problem is that two of the marquees, Georgetown and Butler, just suck. I never said Creighton would have no fans or that they would suck. I knew Doug McDermott was good. I did say Creighton has choked and sucked in theNCAA tourney for the last 30 years. That's undeniable. I expect next to nothing from Creighton in the post McDermott years. Going into the season, I said the BE would have 2 great teams in Creighton and Georgetown. They're lucky Villanova came jup because they'd be looking awful right now without them.

Not that anyone would have noticed. They are buried in anonymity on FS1.
All I know is UConn keeps winning and their RPI goes down, PC wins and it goes up. Which conference sucks?
 
All I know is UConn keeps winning and their RPI goes down, PC wins and it goes up. Which conference sucks?

Good point, but at least people watch our games.
 
I watch our games, every damn one of them and every other BE fan, alum, whatever gets to watch each and every game we want as well, which is a friggin godsend after getting 3 games a year on ESPNU or whatever.

Upstater makes a lot of good posts on these boards but his contempt for the BE shows through in the irrationality of his posts on the topic. His continued claim of the dying BE is far from fact, as a matter of fact it's not backed up by any facts, high RPI, attendance is good and top to bottom the league is strong, also recruiting is going fantastic, with many of the programs recruiting at a high level.

It will NEVER be what it was, but you know it's a damn good conference and anybody with an ounce of sense or the ability to think objectively knows this.
 
I watch our games, every damn one of them and every other BE fan, alum, whatever gets to watch each and every game we want as well, which is a friggin godsend after getting 3 games a year on ESPNU or whatever.

Upstater makes a lot of good posts on these boards but his contempt for the BE shows through in the irrationality of his posts on the topic. His continued claim of the dying BE is far from fact, as a matter of fact it's not backed up by any facts, high RPI, attendance is good and top to bottom the league is strong, also recruiting is going fantastic, with many of the programs recruiting at a high level.

It will NEVER be what it was, but you know it's a damn good conference and anybody with an ounce of sense or the ability to think objectively knows this.

Fair.
 
But the ratings are beyond awful. That cannot be disputed. They have to find a way to get people interested. Other content on fs1, is doing much better by comparison. What do you attribute the lack of viwership to?
 
But the ratings are beyond awful. That cannot be disputed. They have to find a way to get people interested. Other content on fs1, is doing much better by comparison. What do you attribute the lack of viwership to?
ESPN is the 800 lb gorilla and fans are conditioned to turning their sets to it. As of right now it's not a channel that the average sport fan turns to. It's also six months old. UConn would be experiencing the same thing. UConn vs. UCF will draw better on ESPN2 then on FS1 currently.

I would also add this, I don't think for one second that Fox or the BE considered this a sprint.
 
Since the Big East is dead I figured I'd check on the corpse.

Conference rankings:
KenPom: 3rd
Sagarin: 4th
RPI: 4th

To contrast to the ACC with Louisville and without two more dregs coming next year:

KenPom: 7th
Sagarins:8th
RPI: 8th

The AAC is behind the A-10 in two of those metrics and the Big East is ahead of the ACC and Pac 12 in the Pomeroys. But the Big East is dying....

As always the true measure will be the NCAA Tourney - how many teams from each of these conferences get in and how will they do.

And just to be clear, with all these programs shifting conferences I don't really care anymore how these teams do.....as long as Uconn maintains what it has been doing
 
one more thing is that FS1 needs more content than UFC. Right now why would the average sports fan turn to programming that in many cases is arguably not even sports related. If they can add content that a casual fan might want to watch outside of CBB then they might be able to improve the ratings.
 
Creighton and Wichita State in the Missouri Valley has been a nice little rivalry in BB and baseball...

Exactly. The MVC has had some very good teams over the years, and does again right now.
 
ESPN is the 800 lb gorilla and fans are conditioned to turning their sets to it. As of right now it's not a channel that the average sport fan turns to. It's also six months old. UConn would be experiencing the same thing. UConn vs. UCF will draw better on ESPN2 then on FS1 currently.

I would also add this, I don't think for one second that Fox or the BE considered this a sprint.

Your anchor, Georgetown, has a broken hip. I hope you're not counting on the anchor leg.
 
Your anchor, Georgetown, has a broken hip. I hope you're not counting on the anchor leg.

It's a blip, their recruiting is excellent and you really don't expect them to stay down do you?
 
It's a blip, their recruiting is excellent and you really don't expect them to stay down do you?

Reading Hoyatalk, there's fear that they are down for the count. Their recruiting is tops for this year's team as well. Cameron is a 4star, Smith-Rivera also a 4, the year before that, three 4s. next year they have three 4's coming in as well. But it's not like recruiting is jumping for them. It's a straight line.
 
Reading Hoyatalk, there's fear that they are down for the count. Their recruiting is tops for this year's team as well. Cameron is a 4star, Smith-Rivera also a 4, the year before that, three 4s. next year they have three 4's coming in as well. But it's not like recruiting is jumping for them. It's a straight line.
There just butt hurt because they are playing so poorly. All teams fan bases tend to be Chicken Little when having a down year.

Hey, I have a vision, PC as a 10 seed UConn as a 7th this year in the same region...
 
Reading Hoyatalk, there's fear that they are down for the count. Their recruiting is tops for this year's team as well. Cameron is a 4star, Smith-Rivera also a 4, the year before that, three 4s. next year they have three 4's coming in as well. But it's not like recruiting is jumping for them. It's a straight line.
Also I agree they need to land a stud, just like all of us.
 
Big12 football, and pac12 basketball/football had decent ratings from what i saw. So the question is, why are those leagues doing relatively well ratings wise, but not the big east? I havent looked up the numbers recently, so if that has changed i apologize.
 
football? no comparison, those ratings are higher across the board and the Pac 12 BB games have been with marquee games when nothing else is going on ESPN. The BE games are on weeknights when games are on ESPN, 2, and u
 
There just butt hurt because they are playing so poorly. All teams fan bases tend to be Chicken Little when having a down year.

Hey, I have a vision, PC as a 10 seed UConn as a 7th this year in the same region...

Personally, I don't even mind an 8 seed for UConn if that means we play 1 seed Cuse in Buffalo.

PC is the class of the NBE outside of Creighton and Villanova. I have little doubt at this point that you guys get a birth. Your BE resume is very good already. You may get dinged for your outside resume though.
 
We just have to come out of the next 5 games 3-2 and we are golden.
 
Would love a bracket with 1 Syracuse, 2 Villanova, 8 UConn, 9 Providence.
 
I wonder whether the NCAA would have fun with it like that. It would be great.
 
Personally, I don't even mind an 8 seed for UConn if that means we play 1 seed Cuse in Buffalo.

PC is the class of the NBE outside of Creighton and Villanova. I have little doubt at this point that you guys get a birth. Your BE resume is very good already. You may get dinged for your outside resume though.

The one thing we have going for us that we have not had in any other years is zero losses outside the top 150, If SHU can keep playing well that may go to outside the top 100. Current average RPI of our losses is 26.
 
The one thing we have going for us that we have not had in any other years is zero losses outside the top 150, If SHU can keep playing well that may go to outside the top 100. Current average RPI of our losses is 26.

You put way too much emphasis on RPI. The committee has shown in the past that they put a personal emphasis on home losses and away wins in addition to big wins. UConn is hurt more by the Stanford loss (even though Stanford is doing well in the Pac12) than it is by the Houston loss. All because of where the game was played. On the other hand, UConn gets a plus for winning at Washington, which is not an easy proposition for the Pac12 schools, including Arizona. They don't go strictly by RPI because of how often it's inflated by the success of a low major, like Boston U., or even a mid-major, like Harvard. UConn benefits from having played these two teams, and it's hurt for having played several others. But at the end of the day, low major is low major. And that's why the committee looks at OOC records game-by-game.
 
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