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cockhrnleghrn said:
It was the first WBB game I ever attended; LT was ranked number 1 and SC was ranked number 2. Mulkey just had an obnoxious nature as a player that I took an instant dislike to.
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Here you go - memories.....
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Lynette Woodard is an assistant coach at Winthrop. She was also the captain of the 1984 olympic team that Kim Mulkey played on. They had a nice ceremony recognizing Woodard's career and accomplishments during this game.

Many, of the "cupcakes" that Baylor and many other top programs including UCONN play are because of close ties of the coaching staffs of the two programs. I don't think Baylor or UCONN seek these types of games out, rather they most likely were asked to schedule theses games by coaches they want to see succeed.

You have to give props to Winthrop, they scheduled Florida State, Michigan, Gonzaga, Baylor and Ohio State all in their non-conference season this year. I have no idea how this was a good decision....but Im not a coach.
 
HGN said:
Could it be that Kim and Baylor are still a little mad about their UConn game . Or what ? Why else do you
unleash the hounds on the little sisters of the poor ?

Even playing the bench you tell the subs to hold until 10 seconds in the shot clock in a game like that. No need to
embarrass a team , school , and coach.
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Do you really think that Baylor beat up on Winthrop with thoughts of revenge against UCONN on their minds? This may surprise you, but not everything that every team does revolves around UCONN. Baylor knows it will probably get its chance at UCONN again come April, but until then there are other things to worry about.
 
There were some interesting connections going in for this game. Mulkey, who is good friends with Van Chancellor, played in the Olympics with Lynette Woodard. The coach for Winthrop was an assistance to Van Chancellor for many years and Van Chancellor was in attendance. Also, they all like Mexican food.
 
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easttexastrash said:
Do you really think that Baylor beat up on Winthrop with thoughts of revenge against UCONN on their minds? This may surprise you, but not everything that every team does revolves around UCONN. Baylor knows it will probably get its chance at UCONN again come April, but until then there are other things to worry about.
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I prefer TexMex food. To answer the question ====Yes Kim was soo irate =angry-miffed--disturbed after losing to an underhanded (some say under staffed) Uconn team--she tried to get the score up to 200 but those dang refs kept getting in the way---!!@#$%%^^
Baylor!

EAST---that was for you---and your belief I dislike Kim and Baylors--I do however still like TexMex--real Mex has my insides still burning from one bite 5 years ago. Green Chilli or stuffed Mex peppers should be outlawed!!
 
willtalk said:
Winthrop sounds like some nerd with glasses.
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I have heard the same said about Luigi....:( :confused: :mad:

Geno Auriemma - Wikipedia

Basically a lower grade school bully term that most would regret once they or their children may need them. ;) No attack Willtalk but no child of any race, creed or color got to chose their name, who or where they were born to or physical handicaps. Actually Robert Charles Winthrop was quite the benevolent, intelligent, successful gentleman. And yes he did wear glasses like many of us.
Winthrop University - Wikipedia
 
easttexastrash said:
Do you really think that Baylor beat up on Winthrop with thoughts of revenge against UCONN on their minds? This may surprise you, but not everything that every team does revolves around UCONN. Baylor knows it will probably get its chance at UCONN again come April, but until then there are other things to worry about.
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ETT , no I didn't really think Baylor beat up on Winthrop with thoughts on UConn. Just kidding the Baylor loyalists. Such as yourself. So don't be so sensitive.

However , as to your second statement whether what every team does not revolve around UConn , on this board everything does revolve around UConn.
 
HuskyNan said:
UConn 118 St. John's 44 Feb. 23, 2001
UConn 101 Long Island 29 Mar 17, 2001
UConn 112 Pitt 43 Jan. 2, 2002
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I think it's admirable how you try to show how "both sides do it" with 3 examples from 15 years ago. Meanwhile, "Last season, over five successive games, Mulkey’s team won 102-41, 101-60, 99-43, 96-42, 108-64."
 
Waquoit said:
Nice article here on the Baylor game - Baylor women’s basketball openly lies about its blowout disgraces
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Nice!

"But if the general public was inclined to believe Mulkey’s plea of failed benevolence, the initiated knew better. Mulkey, 15 years coaching Baylor, is known as a stomper. She apparently instructs her recruited student-athletes in the joy and artistry of kicking opponents when they’re way down — in the good name of now-let’s-shake-hands student-athletics, of course."
 
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Waquoit said:
I think it's admirable how you try to show how "both sides do it" with 3 examples from 15 years ago. Meanwhile, "Last season, over five successive games, Mulkey’s team won 102-41, 101-60, 99-43, 96-42, 108-64."
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I was actually looking for the Providence game where UConn won 129 to something (Jim Jabir said "We were balled up in the fetal position and they kept scoring") and found those scores. If you want something more recent, how about last year:

Dec 30, 2015 UConn 107 Cincinnati 45 (62 points)
Jan 6, 2016 UConn 95 Tulsa 35 (60 points)
Jan 16, 2016 UConn 104 Temple 49 (55 points)
Jan 20, 2016 UConn 106 UCF 51 (55 points)
Jan 23, 2016 UConn 90 SMU 37 (53 points)
Jan 27, 2016 UConn 94 Tulsa 30 (64 points)
Feb 3, 2016 UConn 96 Tulane 38 (58 points)
 
Waquoit said:
Conference games?
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:rolleyes:

Mon, Nov 16 @#7 Ohio State, W 100-56 (44 points)
Mon, Nov 23 Kansas State W 97-57 (40 points)
Sat, Nov 28 Nebraska W 88-46 (42 points)
Mon, Nov 30 @Chattanooga W 79-31 (48 points)
Wed, Dec 9 @Colgate W 94-50 (44 points)
Mon, Dec 21 LSU W 86-40 (46 points)
 
In all fairness, Nan, a 40 point win is not a huge blowout. 140-32 is a whole other dimension; maybe two other dimensions (if you're factoring standard deviations). I appreciate that Baylor might actually have been doing Winthrop a favor in scheduling the game, but Mulkey needed to think ahead about how to play this so it wouldn't look so badly.

Neither side on this issue is going to convince the other. Mulkey's taken some criticism in the press over this. Maybe other coaches have heard about it, too. Going forward now, maybe alpha coaches will give some thought how to play these games a little differently.
 
Watching some of the lowlights of this game, two things caught my eye: (1) Baylor still extending its pressing defense out to half court in the fourth quarter; and (2) Baylor repeatedly launching threes. It is quite clear they were determined to run up the score. UConn's modus operandi against teams like Holy Cross and Colgate was totally different.
 
bags27 said:
In all fairness, Nan, a 40 point win is not a huge blowout.
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Yeah, it is to 99% of basketball teams. We're used to it because UConn can average 40 point margins of victory but for most teams, any margin than 20 or so points is considered a rout.
 
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Waquoit said:
Nice article here on the Baylor game - Baylor women’s basketball openly lies about its blowout disgraces
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I am fine with the criticism of Baylor on the huge blowout, because I too found it distasteful. But I find it equally distasteful that a writer would bring up sexual assault when discussing the women's basketball program. These young women have nothing to do with that so to write an article where they are in any way connected to it is utterly disgusting to me. If you want a chance to take a jab the the university then do that, but not at the expense of a fine group of young women who play their hearts out for the university that they love.
 
easttexastrash said:
If you are going to play the game then do your thing and practice shooting, passing, the entire game. This was the first game after a layoff and the last game before conference play. Mulkey was going to use it to work on specific items and part of that is finishing shots. I don't know if you watched the Baylor vs Tennessee game, but the Baylor bigs, other than Cave, couldn't make a layup. At least they made their layups in this game.
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So you are saying this game was getting them ready for conference play???

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HuskyNan said:
UConn 118 St. John's 44 Feb. 23, 2001
UConn 101 Long Island 29 Mar 17, 2001
UConn 112 Pitt 43 Jan. 2, 2002

Pick any Providence game
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All games with a much smaller differential, all games that UCONN had no scheduling responsibility.

i.e. irrelevant.
 
HuskyNan said:
:rolleyes:

Mon, Nov 16 @#7 Ohio State, W 100-56 (44 points)
Mon, Nov 23 Kansas State W 97-57 (40 points)
Sat, Nov 28 Nebraska W 88-46 (42 points)
Mon, Nov 30 @Chattanooga W 79-31 (48 points)
Wed, Dec 9 @Colgate W 94-50 (44 points)
Mon, Dec 21 LSU W 86-40 (46 points)
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All of which are less than half the differential of Baylor's game. Half. Think about that.

Games with differentials of 40, 50, maybe even 60 happen because one team is completely outclassed. Games with a differential of 100+, those happen because one team (the winning team) makes them happen.
 
meyers7 said:
So you are saying this game was getting them ready for conference play???

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It was actually just a GREAT opportunity to get out the frustrations of losing to UCONN. I am surprised that Kim did not ask the Winthrop players if they could wear UCONN player masks so that it REALLY seemed like beating UCONN.
 
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meyers7 said:
All of which are less than half the differential of Baylor's game. Half. Think about that.

Games with differentials of 40, 50, maybe even 60 happen because one team is completely outclassed. Games with a differential of 100+, those happen because one team (the winning team) makes them happen.
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Someone posted this on the Baylor board. Very interesting post-game quotes from Hayes and Moore. Does your theory also apply to 80 point wins?

November 14, 2010

UConn defeats Holy Cross by 80 points

1st - 2nd - Total Score by Periods

30 - 07 - 037 Holy Cross
63 - 54 - 117 UConn

UConn MINUTES Player

30 Faris, Kelly
29 Hartley, Bria
27 Moore, Maya
27 Dixon, Lorin
26 Hayes, Tiffany
21 Walker, Samarie
15 Dolson, Stefanie
15 Buck, Heather
06 Engeln, Lauren
04 Johnson, Michala

Tiffany Hayes “Don’t let up. We’ve been working on that the past two games and this one. Just make sure you come out in the second half with the same intensity, not give up and not let up easy shots and stuff like that. Basically we didn’t want to give them more than what they got in the first half, and we did that.”

Maya Moore
On what it was like to play in a game with such a large point differential
“It feels amazing that we got the job done. It was a good win for us. It was a team effort, so that’s always a good feeling. Anytime you’re on the court, you are either making good habits or making bad habits. I think our team does a pretty good job of staying focused the right amount of focus you have to have for the 40 minutes of a game. You’re either focusing or you’re not. So if we can play game after game, regardless of score, and be focused for 40 minutes, making good habits for 40 minutes and we go to a game where the score is closer, we are going to be just as confident, just as ready, because we know we practiced those good habits, no matter who we are playing.”
 
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5 of those players were freshmen and a seldom used sophmore. Two of those rookies were starters ( Hartley & Dolson ) in their 1st or 2nd game. All coaches can control the outcome of a lopsided game by using it to run certain plays Off and def and that goes for all coaches at every level! The best way to avoid it is stop scheduling the teams that you know this is going to happen to. People it is not just Baylor doing this.
 
easttexastrash said:
Someone posted this on the Baylor board. Very interesting post-game quotes from Hayes and Moore. Does your theory also apply to 80 point wins?
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Yes, 67 vs 95 shots. Just because UCONN is much more efficient doesn't change things.

UCONN was avg 57 spg. Baylor was avg 71 spg (and that will go down)

Yea, you really have to try to get to a 100+ differential.

80+ is getting borderline though.
 
easttexastrash said:
It was actually just a GREAT opportunity to get out the frustrations of losing to UCONN. I am surprised that Kim did not ask the Winthrop players if they could wear UCONN player masks so that it REALLY seemed like beating UCONN.
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I understand the Winthrop players were asked to make barking noises in the second half........:rolleyes:
 
In all seriousness, as in those preseason mismatches, I simply don't understand scheduling non-conference games against such weak teams..............other then pumping up statistics, exactly what point does it serve? That said, I would have had less of a problem with Baylor if they played their entire bench once the lead hit 30 points, ran their regular offense and also just didn't press...........when I coached youth basketball, nothing used to tick me off more then when the other team had a big lead and then started running a weave for the last quarter of the game because they didn't want to run up the score any higher........I found it very insulting...........I would much rather have had their bench players run their regular sets to at least actually benefit from our efforts.....
 
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