Battle in the Bubble - Rothstein

[Dogdeacon]

Sorry if this was already posted

A college basketball bubble in Connecticut? Mohegan Sun could be a host with a lot to offer, and here’s why

As the planned starting date for men’s and women’s college basketball draws near, momentum is building to find a way, despite the pandemic, to get it started in November or early Decemb…

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I like the concept of using the hotel rooms and getting people involved working. Similar to how some colleges have booked hotels to allow students to be together with private hygiene. Smart & adaptive.

 

[freescooter]

You pick the dumbest hills to die on and you're always wrong. Of course there's students on campus and nobody is being forced to do anything, the kids want to play.

Hmmm, somebody should call UNC NC State, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Minnesota. All have either sent students home or delayed allowing them back. But don’t let facts get in the way of that big game with Creighton.

As to forcing, how many players are willing to stand up to their coach do you think? You know, the guy who can play them or not or even take their scholarship? Finally, once again, the judgement of 18-21 year old men has never been questioned. They are universally known for their wise judgement...oh wait! They aren’t. I know its science, and you prefer magical thinking, but people in that age group are more likely to be reactive in their decision making, less able to consider the consequences of decisions, and more susceptible to peer pressure, particularly in stressful situations, you know, like trying to decide what to do in a pandemic. They are also less likely to delay gratification, make decisions based on impulse, and make decisions based on excitement or perceived risk. It has to do with brain development. But hey, Adams wanted to ride a scooter. Bouknight wanted to drive a car and not have to deal with the cops when he hit a sign post. But sure, let’s rely on their judgement.

 

[HooperScooper]

Hmmm, somebody should call UNC NC State, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Minnesota. All have either sent students home or delayed allowing them back. But don’t let facts get in the way of that big game with Creighton.

And on the other hand:

Test results: Just 1 in 1,000 college students are positive for COVID-19 in and around Mass.

Of the approximately 400,000 coronavirus tests it has processed for area colleges, the Broad Institute research center of M.I.T. and Harvard has found that less than one in 1,000 college students has tested positive for the virus in Massachusetts and in nearby states, the Cambridge-based...

www.boston.com

Not that I'm all for just opening every school without precautions and restrictions, but I'm being devil's advocate here just to be difficult because many of your posts are so freaking annoying.

 

[superjohn]

Hmmm, somebody should call UNC NC State, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Minnesota. All have either sent students home or delayed allowing them back. But don’t let facts get in the way of that big game with Creighton.

As to forcing, how many players are willing to stand up to their coach do you think? You know, the guy who can play them or not or even take their scholarship? Finally, once again, the judgement of 18-21 year old men has never been questioned. They are universally known for their wise judgement...oh wait! They aren’t. I know its science, and you prefer magical thinking, but people in that age group are more likely to be reactive in their decision making, less able to consider the consequences of decisions, and more susceptible to peer pressure, particularly in stressful situations, you know, like trying to decide what to do in a pandemic. They are also less likely to delay gratification, make decisions based on impulse, and make decisions based on excitement or perceived risk. It has to do with brain development. But hey, Adams wanted to ride a scooter. Bouknight wanted to drive a car and not have to deal with the cops when he hit a sign post. But sure, let’s rely on their judgement.

If you're lying or really just don't know there's kids on campus there's no reason to discuss this further...Just when I think your posts can't get any worse you trash the best player on our team and trash a former player.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Where did people get this idea that players are being forced into this bubble? If you had career aspirations in anything and had a chance to make a lot of money soon, would you say no I’d rather take a year off than further yourself in your career? I highly doubt it. As you can see with college football a few kids are sitting out with no penalty, so they still have that choice should they choose to take it/feels it’s not worth the risk. Also if your argument is because the amauerism aspect is lost, lolololol

 

[HooperScooper]

“You could fit four courts down there and really churn through a lot of games,” Martinelli said of the Expo Center. “This bubble option gives you an alternative, a more efficient way to fill out your non-conference schedule.”

AAU style with 4 games going on at the same time.

Mohegan Sun open to hosting a college basketball bubble

As both men’s and women’s basketball teams continue to navigate scheduling during a...

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For those without Register access: Mohegan Sun open to hosting a college basketball bubble

 

[Dogdeacon]

Where did people get this idea that players are being forced into this bubble? If you had career aspirations in anything and had a chance to make a lot of money soon, would you say no I’d rather take a year off than further yourself in your career? I highly doubt it. As you can see with college football a few kids are sitting out with no penalty, so they still have that choice should they choose to take it/feels it’s not worth the risk. Also if your argument is because the amauerism aspect is lost, lolololol

I think there are better reasons to do limited bubbles than nba career aspirations. If that's your primary goal and best rationale, you need to take the top 100 prospects and put them in a bubble and pay them for it.

 

[krinklecut]

We need to cancel sports for 2020-21. We're just now learning the long term effects of COVID on even asymptomatic carriers. This is very, very not good.

 

[UCSouth]

We need to cancel sports for 2020-21. We're just now learning the long term effects of COVID on even asymptomatic carriers. This is very, very not good.

Unfortunately, for your piece of mind, you may have to go into your own personal bubble. No Internet, no TV, no contact with the outside world whatsoever. Someone can slide food under your door. See Ya Next Year!!

 

[krinklecut]

Unfortunately, for your piece of mind, you may have to go into your own personal bubble. No Internet, no TV, no contact with the outside world whatsoever. Someone can slide food under your door. See Ya Next Year!!

I'm less concerned with my piece of my mind and more concerned with the health and safety of me, my family, and my neighbors, but...good one? Feel free to block me and you don't have to see me next year, either.

 

[gampelcrazies]

 

[Jbirdp5]

I think there are better reasons to do limited bubbles than nba career aspirations. If that's your primary goal and best rationale, you need to take the top 100 prospects and put them in a bubble and pay them for it.

Nba aspirations are only one of many reasons to play, without a bubble these kids have no other options for playing. You are cutting off their chance to impress scouts and improve draft stock. If I’m outside the top 100 I would still want a chance to play and Showcase my talent and compete for a conference and national championship with my team.

 

[Chief00]

Mohegan has a leg up on other potential Bubble locations due to the millions they spent upgrading their ventilation system including adding ultraviolet light.

 

[Dogdeacon]

Nba aspirations are only one of many reasons to play, without a bubble these kids have no other options for playing. You are cutting off their chance to impress scouts and improve draft stock. If I’m outside the top 100 I would still want a chance to play and Showcase my talent and compete for a conference and national championship with my team.

You say nba aspirations are only one of many reasons and next sentence you jump right back into NBA impressing scouts and draft stock, um I think those are NBA aspirations? Why this Silverian slip... because it is mostly about the money and about the top 1% of players. I think the NC2A has to be really careful because the reality of it being about the money and the pro farm system further exposes the hypocrisy and fake amateurism of college sport. It is already taking on water and the more we clamor for the games & competition we love the clearer it becomes that this is 90%+ of these guys importance to a school. Players are starting to make demands, form coalitions and frankly should unionize. To be clear I don't want this, but it'd create way more fairness.

 

[Jbirdp5]

You say nba aspirations are only one of many reasons and next sentence you jump right back into NBA impressing scouts and draft stock, um I think those are NBA aspirations? Why this Silverian slip... because it is mostly about the money and about the top 1% of players. I think the NC2A has to be really careful because the reality of it being about the money and the pro farm system further exposes the hypocrisy and fake amateurism of college sport. It is already taking on water and the more we clamor for the games & competition we love the clearer it becomes that this is 90%+ of these guys importance to a school. Players are starting to make demands, form coalitions and frankly should unionize. To be clear I don't want this, but it'd create way more fairness.

If it’s better for the players why don’t you want it? What’s wrong with players getting their fair share of the lie? Nba dreams and overseas backup plans are what Probably 90% of kids who sign A big time college scholarships have on their mind. Ok the other hand Name a role player that is going to be in the corporate world a year from now that wouldn’t want to spend his last year in the bubble as opposed to missing their last year on campus? What percentage of kids such as a brendan Adams A year from now do you think would not be interested?

 

[freescooter]

If you're lying or really just don't know there's kids on campus there's no reason to discuss this further...Just when I think your posts can't get any worse you trash the best player on our team and trash a former player.

Athletic talent does not equate to sound judgement necessarily. The incidents I cited support my position. Or are you saying they did not happen? Or that they were evidence of mature judgement? In either case you would be wrong ...

 

[Hey Adrien!]

More on Mohegan from The Athletic:

"The Gazelle Group, which operates several events scheduled for Madison Square Garden and the Barclays Center, and the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, which puts on the Hall of Fame Tip-Off and Hall of Fame Invitational, are proposing another bubble model with an intriguing twist.

They are going to invite several teams to come to Mohegan Sun, the casino resort in Uncasville, Conn., during a two-week window in December. Not only would those teams have the chance to play games already scheduled, but they also would be given the opportunity to cross-pollinate with the other events and pick up additional opponents.

Rick Giles, the president of the Gazelle Group, says he is talking to additional schools that have expressed interest in joining up. If the season begins 15 days later than normal, schools around the country will be looking to make up games. Schools also are also anticipating cancellations of nonconference games that are usually held on campus, creating a demand for matchups made on the fly."

Teams from every MSG, Barclays and NBHF event:

Big East: UConn, Villanova, Marquette, St. John's
Big Ten: Michigan, Purdue, Penn State, Minnesota
Big 12: Baylor, Texas Tech, West Virginia
ACC: Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, NC State
SEC: Florida, LSU, Vanderbilt
PAC-12: Stanford, Arizona, USC
Others: Rhode Island, Cincy, UCF, Siena, lots more

 

[Dogdeacon]

If it’s better for the players why don’t you want it? What’s wrong with players getting their fair share of the lie? Nba dreams and overseas backup plans are what Probably 90% of kids who sign A big time college scholarships have on their mind. Ok the other hand Name a role player that is going to be in the corporate world a year from now that wouldn’t want to spend his last year in the bubble as opposed to missing their last year on campus? What percentage of kids such as a brendan Adams A year from now do you think would not be interested?

Simple, I'd rather players be given their fair share before they have to unionize.

Your question is rhetorical, nonsensical and a little ridiculous. "Wouldn't want to spend his last year in the bubble as opposed to missing their last year on campus"?! Are they in the bubble or on campus? Both?! How could I possibly name a player that I know will be in the corporate world next year and know their preference regarding bubble or not AND if they are on campus or learning remotely?
Nevertheless, I present every role player in the Ivy league. Name one of them that has come out in favor of the bubble.
Lastly, the percentage of kids such as Brendan Adams a year from now that I think would not be interested is 0%. Brendan Adams a year from now is interested.

 

[Jbirdp5]

Simple, I'd rather players be given their fair share before they have to unionize.

Your question is rhetorical, nonsensical and a little ridiculous. "Wouldn't want to spend his last year in the bubble as opposed to missing their last year on campus"?! Are they in the bubble or on campus? Both?! How could I possibly name a player that I know will be in the corporate world next year and know their preference regarding bubble or not AND if they are on campus or learning remotely?
Nevertheless, I present every role player in the Ivy league. Name one of them that has come out in favor of the bubble.
Lastly, the percentage of kids such as Brendan Adams a year from now that I think would not be interested is 0%. Brendan Adams a year from now is interested.

I am giving you my opinion you can simply give yours back without getting all technical with the way I framed my opinion. I think you understood the message just fine.
Let me make it simple. In my opinion players would be willing to go into the bubble if it meant playing vs not, and that’s if they had pro aspirations or not.
Have a bunch of Ivy League kids trashed the idea of the bubble? Is that your big gotcha moment? Please feel free to let me know because I hadn’t seen it.

 

[Dogdeacon]

I am giving you my opinion you can simply give yours back without getting all technical with the way I framed my opinion. I think you understood the message just fine.
Let me make it simple. In my opinion players would be willing to go into the bubble if it meant playing vs not, and that’s if they had pro aspirations or not.
Have a bunch of Ivy League kids trashed the idea of the bubble? Is that your big gotcha moment? Please feel free to let me know because I hadn’t seen it.

Ok definitely my bad, I was way too snarky. Sorry. Your second sentence/paragraph rings true and I agree with your opinion that more players would go into the bubble regardless of NBA or pro basketball operations. It is just more clear there and stating it as your opinion is better than asking me to name players or guess what % are in favor.

And that's kind of the state of the whole world right now, most of us are fine, would & could go out more yet we aren't doing it in hopes of a greater good and protecting the vulnerable. And most of us aren't living in total isolation or nba style restricted bubbles and likely wouldn't do so if it was optional for our work. So I've got a problem asking others to do it, unpaid, for my entertainment.

 

[Chief00]

Playing is better than not playing. If you have doubts, ask our football players off the record. You will get an ear full.

 

[bmayuc]

Playing is better than not playing. If you have doubts, ask our football players off the record. You will get an ear full.

I say this with respect for the players and the work that they put in, but honestly I could not care less and neither should all of you.

This is societal-wide, systemic public health crisis, and public policy decisions in such a crisis must err on the side of containment, safety, and risk reduction. What an 18-22 year old college football player thinks off the record is truly not relevant.

 

[zls44]

What an 18-22 year old college football player thinks off the record is truly not relevant.

"The customer is always right"-ism is a scourge.

 

[selles]

What an 18-22 year old college football player thinks off the record is truly not relevant.

It's more relevant than what you think.

 

[Dogdeacon]

It's more relevant than what you think.

0 x 0 is the same as 0 + 0. The real question: is national health + individual welfare > $