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So you're saying that you'd rather soldier on with 13 members (and no lacrosse or hockey conference-sponsored league) than take in schools you consider "beneath" your standards.

OK, then. The Big 12 and ACC had other ideas and they're still fine.

What are you talking about? The "trade" wouldn't work because PSU isn't going to cave to their fans. It's a ridiculous idea that makes no sense. The reason UMD left was money. The treatment The ACC gave them opened the door, but the money was the reason. Unless I'm mistaken, The ACC makes quite a bit less than The Big10, and that gap will widen in the next few years. If PSU has that little backbone to do what's not in their best interest because their fans want to, than good riddance.

To top it all off, Pitt plays neither hockey, nor lacrosse. You claim "soldiering on" with 13 schools without sponsored lacrosse or hockey conferences, but Pitt wouldn't help in that regard!

Pitt is a great school and their research/academics fit right in. Their athletics? Not so much.

I gave many reasons why PSU would not move, and I do discount your "speculation" as nonsense. If you want to play this stupid game you are playing, please continue. It's fun to banter back and forth with someone else interested. That doesn't mean you get to set the parameters of it to the crazy setting and not be called out on it.
 
If anyone thinks it is easy to get to PSU for a football hasn't been there. Going to PSU is a weekend event, it is not a Saturday after mowing the lawn event. It's just a different culture. you plan a weekend around it and are there Friday night. Storrs to the Rent is a cake walk compared to Route 80 to State College.
 
When we played at Michigan years ago, we went to "The Brown Jug" on the Friday afternoon before the game. After they saw our UCONN shirts and remarked how surprised they were to see lots of UCONN fans in Ann Arbor, we asked which fanbase usually packs the town on gameday weekends. Without hesitation, and all at the same time, they said "Penn State". I was surprised. I thought they'd say Ohio State or even Michigan State because of the more heated rivalries with those schools. They said that on years that Penn State plays at Michigan, they get tens of thousands PSU fans to show up in Ann Arbor with or without a ticket and run wild through the town's bars and restaurants. Also said that "Penn State weekend" is ALWAYS the weekend that the most fights and arrests occur on.

Not only are Penn State fans willing to drive hours for home games, but they are willing to drive hours and days for road games too. But we can't get UCONN fans to drive 20 minutes in a little rain to go to any game. Connecticut people sure do thrive on complaining.
When we played at Michigan years ago, we went to "The Brown Jug" on the Friday afternoon before the game. After they saw our UCONN shirts and remarked how surprised they were to see lots of UCONN fans in Ann Arbor, we asked which fanbase usually packs the town on gameday weekends. Without hesitation, and all at the same time, they said "Penn State". I was surprised. I thought they'd say Ohio State or even Michigan State because of the more heated rivalries with those schools. They said that on years that Penn State plays at Michigan, they get tens of thousands PSU fans to show up in Ann Arbor with or without a ticket and run wild through the town's bars and restaurants. Also said that "Penn State weekend" is ALWAYS the weekend that the most fights and arrests occur on.

Not only are Penn State fans willing to drive hours for home games, but they are willing to drive hours and days for road games too. But we can't get UCONN fans to drive 20 minutes in a little rain to go to any game. Connecticut people sure do thrive on complaining.
Put a good team on the field playing an opponent that people actually care about and you will get fans in the stadium. Season ticket holders that I know can't even give their tickets away for free.
 
The next person to propose an on- campus stadium or a reworking of the state's highways to facilitate one is going to have his account cancelled, his pets shot and all of his posts scrubbed from the internet.
Meh, it marginally more relevant than the 2nd best pizza thread.
 
If anyone thinks it is easy to get to PSU for a football hasn't been there. Going to PSU is a weekend event, it is not a Saturday after mowing the lawn event. It's just a different culture. you plan a weekend around it and are there Friday night. Storrs to the Rent is a cake walk compared to Route 80 to State College.

It's I-99 now and from Pittsburgh it's no more difficult than Greenwich to the Rent.
 
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beerfan said:
If anyone thinks it is easy to get to PSU for a football hasn't been there. Going to PSU is a weekend event, it is not a Saturday after mowing the lawn event. It's just a different culture. you plan a weekend around it and are there Friday night. Storrs to the Rent is a cake walk compared to Route 80 to State College.

As in anything else, if you know what you are doing and plan ahead, it's no big deal.

I've never had an issue getting into State College. Now getting into a restaurant after the game, that is a different story, but I've worked that out as well.
 
I understand you're trying to give an analogy but that replay showed the ND wide receiver holding the FSU defender, preventing him from trying to defend the other receiver. Is the ACC perfect? Hell naw. Was Sandusky protected by the PSU old guard until he was caught? I think so. Does it change the fact that Penn State was jobbed Saturday night? No, it doesn't. Then what is the point of commenting on a subject you know so little about? Sh it ty officiating is the calling card of The B1G. Has PSU suffered from an inordinante amount of it over the last 20 years? IMO yes, but this happened long before anyone outside of PA knew Sandusky even existed. It is a ridiculous notion to tie botched calls to some kind of scandal related bias.

Too much of this happens it doesn't matter about the academic associations and TV monies, etc.. Integrity still matters, even when UNC and FSU continually let people down. I don't defend either of those schools' actions. Academic associations, and television revenue are about the only reasons for schools to sponsor sports. No sane administrator is walking away from either.

Look, you think I'm rooting for this to happen. No, what I'm saying is schools have known to change conferences for reasons other than money. PSU's perception of the Big Ten's treatment of them since they joined could be a catalyst for change. That's all I'm saying. I won't argue that there have been plenty of eye rolling and stomach churning moments that have occurred over 2 decades in the conference. Saturday's travesty was more of the same. That said you can't look beyond the benefits gained through the CIC, the incredible money flowing through TV, and the overall excellent athletic match the conference presents for our entire athletic program.

There was always a segment of the Texas A&M fanbase that wanted to join the SEC but weren't strong enough to force a change. Then, in one year, all that changed. Don't assume that the Big Ten is some kind of fortress that can't be breached. Things change. Organizations that don't manage feedback are looked at as stubborn and resistance to change can corrode even the most historic companies. The ACC didn't heed certain warning signs and we paid the price with losing Maryland. Texas A&M is a bad example because it moved from a dysfunctional cluster of a conference teetering on the edge of collapse, to an incredibly stable and profitable organization. You are asking PSU to walk away from the benefits of The CIC, a potential yearly take of 45 mil+, and an ideal home for all of our Olympic Sports because of some questionable calls in a football game. Pride comes before the fall, and as an alum and lifelong fan, I would lose my schit if we relegated ourselves to playing Wake Forest in front of 35000 fans on a Thursday Night, instead of playing tO$U in front of 107000 on a Saturday Night.

Just some friendly advice.
 
ACC is another Big East waiting to happen (with, or without, UConn).


Only save for the ACC is that I cannot see the NCAA big boys having less than 4 major conferences and the XII is more unstable than the ACC.
 
Except for these:
4. It's Pitt

Indeed...
Homecoming hell: How Eve 6 and Pitt broke everything
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/10/28/7080621/pitt-homecoming-georgia-tech-eve6
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If anyone thinks it is easy to get to PSU for a football hasn't been there. Going to PSU is a weekend event, it is not a Saturday after mowing the lawn event. It's just a different culture. you plan a weekend around it and are there Friday night. Storrs to the Rent is a cake walk compared to Route 80 to State College.

Years ago sure, but since they built the overpass it is no issue at all.
 
goodnight my boneyard brothers everything will be ok have a little faith nothing happens overnight but from what I have heard you are very very much in the picture. peace

What are the timing triggers to B1G's next moves from what you've heard?
 
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I understand you're trying to give an analogy but that replay showed the ND wide receiver holding the FSU defender, preventing him from trying to defend the other receiver. Is the ACC perfect? Hell naw. Was Sandusky protected by the PSU old guard until he was caught? I think so. Does it change the fact that Penn State was jobbed Saturday night? No, it doesn't.

Too much of this happens it doesn't matter about the academic associations and TV monies, etc.. Integrity still matters, even when UNC and FSU continually let people down. I don't defend either of those schools' actions.

Look, you think I'm rooting for this to happen. No, what I'm saying is schools have known to change conferences for reasons other than money. PSU's perception of the Big Ten's treatment of them since they joined could be a catalyst for change. That's all I'm saying.

There was always a segment of the Texas A&M fanbase that wanted to join the SEC but weren't strong enough to force a change. Then, in one year, all that changed. Don't assume that the Big Ten is some kind of fortress that can't be breached. Things change. Organizations that don't manage feedback are looked at as stubborn and resistance to change can corrode even the most historic companies. The ACC didn't heed certain warning signs and we paid the price with losing Maryland.

Just some friendly advice.


PSU's perception of the BIG is overstated on certain boards by almost the same cast of minority characters & it's been this way for years. It's irrelevant much of the time because aliases often back off in person & get exposed for their stupidity.

You have to remember, aTm wanted into the SEC even during the SWC days. It's related to ties with Bear Bryant & leaving UT's controlling shadow. The Big 8 & SEC merger was a shotgun marriage with a ton of issues, many being trust related, from day one. The BIG simply has many, many more decades of stability and principled tradition over the current Big12 and the previous versions (SWC and Big8). Albeit, the Big 8 was a brutal conference during the 70s and 80s, great conference - probably the best during this time frame in terms of a two-headed monster: OU and Neb.

PSU's argument could be they've only been in the BIG since the early 90s, but these PSU to the ACC fans, are a crude, often cruel bunch of nasty aliases whom are also hypocrites hoping for fools gold. The ACC's upside is simply a huge risk in football, too much overlap with the SEC and now even the BIG (PSU & Pitt, IU-Purdue vs ND). There's other reasons why ND has held off on full ACC membership, and these fall in the realm of economics.

Here's the reality of aTm and even Mizzou, they'll come back down to planet earth - it's already starting with aTm, and Mizzou has shown glimpses of its inconsistent self again - Jesus they lost to IU this year. The law averages will prevail.

PS Take a longer journey down expansion history, you'll notice the conferences that change up the most are down south. I think it's inevitable that one of the Va schools will join the BIG (UVa or VT) and it will likely be Duke, not UNC, that represents the state of NC if the BIG goes into this state. But who really knows?
 

That's just so depressing. Pitt should have never left campus - great old stadium. Pitt is similar to Minnesota in that they are a mid-sized metro, even smaller than Mpls-StP, an urban campus (both are great academic schools, esp graduate level), once upon a time success, and of course an NFL brand widely loved by the state is right in the mix - but even in its darkest years, Minnesota brought far more fans on average to the Metrodome.
 
Heinz Field is about 45 feet from campus.
 
Sorry I forgot to mention Kansas as well.
If this happens, the expansion to 18 would probably include a VA school and Oklahoma/Mizzou.

Both VA schools aren't going to the SEC (VT Tech might be more desired as a football brand). And very strongly doubt either will settle for the Big 12.
 
I google terms related to conference realignment and nothing. Absolutely nothing. The American lives.
B1G only has 9 men's soccer teams. It's amazing how much UCONN brings to the table, it would lift so many sports in B1G Country other than football. Basketball, Soccer, Baseball, Hockey, Field Hockey. And football would rise to at least the middle of the pack, no question. Just depressing.
 
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Heinz Field is about 45 feet from campus.

It's not far from campus but it's certainly not that close. It's 2 miles away and over the river. Given the size of some midwestern campuses, I would say 2 miles is practically still campus, but being in a city makes it seem like it is farther away than it is.
 
It's not far from campus but it's certainly not that close. It's 2 miles away and over the river. Given the size of some midwestern campuses, I would say 2 miles is practically still campus, but being in a city makes it seem like it is farther away than it is.
Two miles in a city is nothing, IMO. It's still the city. When I lived in the city i used to walk about 3-4 miles to work each day round trip. People walk everywhere. And if you are tailgating then distance is not a factor. Plus, the setting at Heinz Field with PNC Park, the skyline, the river, unmatched.
 
Two miles in a city is nothing, IMO. It's still the city. When I lived in the city i used to walk about 3-4 miles to work each day round trip. People walk everywhere. And if you are tailgating then distance is not a factor. Plus, the setting at Heinz Field with PNC Park, the skyline, the river, unmatched.

Unmatched, until you put the Panthers on the field.
 
It's not far from campus but it's certainly not that close. It's 2 miles away and over the river. Given the size of some midwestern campuses, I would say 2 miles is practically still campus, but being in a city makes it seem like it is farther away than it is.
Didn't catch the exaggeration, huh?;)
 
Didn't catch the exaggeration, huh?;)

I did.

But having gone to school in a city, I know distances are counted differently, especially in a town without a subway. When everyone has a car because they need a car, distance is nothing. But I remember not going to games that were on the other side of the city.
 
I did.

But having gone to school in a city, I know distances are counted differently, especially in a town without a subway. When everyone has a car because they need a car, distance is nothing. But I remember not going to games that were on the other side of the city.
Just giving you a hard time, Upstater. No harm intended, but Pitts students have nothing to complain about when comparing distances from campus to their home stadium. 2 miles is a h3ll of a lot closer to 45 feet than 25 miles.
 
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