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I expect it will be the migration of bears that finally turns the demographics in our favor. Either ravenous, thirsty bears wreaking havoc across the south as a consequence of global warming - or genetically enhanced bears that become so smart that we can finally count on them to enter the labor force up north. But it will definitely start and end with bears.
 
John Greene said:
When I first started to work in Hartford way back in 1969 (I'm sure that is before many of you were born) fresh water was talked about as the factor that would limit migration to the south and west. FL was seen as having the biggest problem with all kinds of doomsday scenarios about needing to desalinate ocean water, and the cost that would put on growth. Agriculture in the area you mentioned is not irigation intensive since over the last 75 years cotton has been replaced with tree farms. As far as water for industrial, commercial and residential use is concerned, the area is dotted with large lakes that are used for hydropower and recreation. Few, with Lanier in GA being the main exception, are currently used to provide water for any other purpose. I would not hold my breath for a reverse migration based on lack of water.
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They have already seen drought conditions down there. In fact, the states I mentioned are at war with each other as the Georgia Gov. stopped the flow a few times.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilv...s-may-leave-energy-producers-dying-of-thirst/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-08-18-waterwar_N.htm
 
upstater said:
They have already seen drought conditions down there. In fact, the states I mentioned are at war with each other as the Georgia Gov. stopped the flow a few times.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilv...s-may-leave-energy-producers-dying-of-thirst/

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-08-18-waterwar_N.htm[/quote]
All of that hubub is about Lake Lanier that I mentioned. It has been going on for over 15 years. It has more to do with AL & FL being pissed with Atlanta for taking more water from the Chattahoochee River than was agreed on over 50 years ago without saying pretty please. It does not reflect the overall water situation in the area. In AL alone I can think of at least 5 lakes that are twice the size of Lanier and none of them is currently used for anything but hydro and recreation.
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Then I wonder why those congressman down there are pursuing Great Lakes water so aggressively. Multiple times they have put forth legislation to open the lakes to the south, and it has caused a lot of consternation in Great Lakes communities.
 
upstater said:
Then I wonder why those congressman down there are pursuing Great Lakes water so aggressively. Multiple times they have put forth legislation to open the lakes to the south, and it has caused a lot of consternation in Great Lakes communities.
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That is a question you would have to ask them. Since there is really no practical way of getting much Great Lakes water into the area one has to wonder. I suppose you could build a really big canal that would connect with the Ohio or Mississippi Rivers and then force the TN and Tombigbee rivers to flow backwards. That would be a neat trick since much of the area you mentioned is between 400 and 1200 feet above sea level. Anything is possible but, again, I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
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John Greene said:
That is a question you would have to ask them. Since there is really no practical way of getting much Great Lakes water into the area one has to wonder. I suppose you could build a really big canal that would connect with the Ohio or Mississippi Rivers and then force the TN and Tombigbee rivers to flow backwards. That would be a neat trick since much of the area you mentioned is between 400 and 1200 feet above sea level. Anything is possible but, again, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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But they do this with water all over the Middle East. Pipelines. This is how Israel gets its water from Turkey, the source is over a thousand miles away.
 
WestHartHusk said:
2)they steal water from Mexico and the Great Lakes region (as Upstater pointed out); or 3)people move to wear fresh water is abundant, which will be back to more northern lattitudes in the US / Canada.
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Simple solution: The B1G trades Great Lakes water for 4* football recruits. No one has to move except some football players, everyone is happy, and the Rose Bowl is competitive.
 
upstater said:
But they do this with water all over the Middle East. Pipelines. This is how Israel gets its water from Turkey, the source is over a thousand miles away.
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As I said anything is possible. If you need it and want to spend the money it can be done. Southern California gets a lot of its water from the North or from Arizona. In both cases the source of the water is much higher than the point of use. That means that you can build non powered siphons to get it over obstacles as long as the end point of the siphon is lower than the beginning point. I believe that this is the case with the Turkish mountains and Isreal. The Mississippi is at around 300 feet above sea level at Memphis and as I said most of the area you mentioned is 400-1200 ft.
 
I know it is bad form to reply to yourself but just wanted to say I am sorry for hijacking this discussion into a hydro lecture!
 
John Greene said:
I know it is bad form to reply to yourself but just wanted to say I am sorry for hijacking this discussion into a hydro lecture!
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this is actually extremely important as to where the ussct will be docking in the future. sounds like a conference near the great lakes would be better than the mid atlantic if i gather information from this chat correctly.
 
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fleudslipcon said:
If your supposition is correct, then the C7 would have the same difficulty as the NNNNBE in supporting the payment of MSG. So they aren't going to insist on accessing that venue and all of this is a moot point. But if the C7 argue its value and want to pay the NNNNNBE for the rights to the venue, what would be their rationale?
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If you don't think that group of schools couldn't sell more tickets in NYC than ours, I don't know what to tell you. But they would have far more teams within a four hour drive if nothing else.
 
businesslawyer said:
If you don't think that group of schools couldn't sell more tickets in NYC than ours, I don't know what to tell you. But they would have far more teams within a four hour drive if nothing else.
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1200 posts in the b1g thread. HFD?! Is this it? B1G 1200?!
 
businesslawyer said:
If you don't think that group of schools couldn't sell more tickets in NYC than ours, I don't know what to tell you. But they would have far more teams within a four hour drive if nothing else.
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UConn, Temple and Memphis would sell as many ticket as Gtown, Providence, SH, and SJ. Not sure how Cinci does or how ECU would do. I'm not as convinced as you are that the C7 would fill the arena better than the leftovers of the BE. My feeling is I would wait and see how the media pans out and let them give input. There is a year and a half before it would make a difference.
 
CTGoonie said:
I like how this is a "secret meeting". So when nothing happens he can just say it was a "secret meeting" which is why nobody knows about it.
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99% of Maryland's and Rutgers's administrations and boards had no idea of the Big Ten's interest until they read it on the ESPN ticker.

Yet supposedly there's this secret meeting coming up that involves some unnamed participants, and one of them supposedly thought, "Secret meeting? Hold on, hold on... let's call MH-ver-3 and give him the sneak tip..."

Right.
 
Isn't there a website where you can track flights both private and commercial? There have been like 5 flights out of bdl to Chicago today. Coincidence? Surely herbst was on one of them.


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fleudslipcon said:
UConn, Temple and Memphis would sell as many ticket as Gtown, Providence, SH, and SJ. Not sure how Cinci does or how ECU would do. I'm not as convinced as you are that the C7 would fill the arena better than the leftovers of the BE. My feeling is I would wait and see how the media pans out and let them give input. There is a year and a half before it would make a difference.
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I'm not convinced that the C-7 would draw better than the NBE either.

From a television perspective the top to bottom name brands and basketball will be better in the C-7. I don't think there is any doubt about that.

However, the vast majority of years the top 4 of the NBE in UConn, Temple, Memphis and Cinci are going to be playing Friday and Saturday. Those games will sell out.

The C-7 have not been the reason why MSG has been a hot ticket in recent memory. UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, West Virginia and ND are the programs driving ticket sales at MSG.

I'm sure having a Georgetown/Nova/St.John's on Friday/Saturday would do well ticket wise, but at the end of the day these are all small catholic schools that don't have a big following even though they are obviously more local.

I ultimately think Aresco/Football teams sell the name (I hope they don't) and I think MSG ends up doing a deal with the C7, but I don't think it's as big of a home run as everyone makes it out to be.
 
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ScottBonz said:
Isn't there a website where you can track flights both private and commercial? There have been like 5 flights out of bdl to Chicago today. Coincidence? Surely herbst was on one of them.


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Aren't there five flights out of Bdl to Chicago every day?
 
I love the question marks in that mHv tweet. Reminds me of this:

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junglehusky said:
I love the question marks in that tweet. Reminds me of this:

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Classic. Another reason to miss Phil Hartman.

"...this verdict is written on a cocktail napkin. And it still says guilty."

Edit: apparently you cannot write kocktail without being censored.
 
Lionel Hutz: Now don't you worry, Mrs. Simpson, I... uh-oh. We've drawn Judge Snyder.
Marge: Is that bad?
Lionel Hutz: Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog.
Marge: You did?
Lionel Hutz: Well, replace the word "kinda" with the word "repeatedly," and the word "dog" with "son."


I smell a thread jack a comin.


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mikeinmanila said:
Doesn't the 18 school target infer that the B1G would be going for GT, UNC, UVA and Duke (i.e., the AAU schools of the ACC)? Under this scenario, it would seem that we'd end up in a conference with what's left (i.e., the best 18 remaining remants of BE/ACC/Big 12) when all is said and done....and we'd be in 1 of the 4 "power conferences".

I can definitely live with that.
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It doesn't infer anything, you are the one inferring this. The statement may imply that the targets are GT, UNC, Duke & UVA but my inference is that the article is implying that the targets are UVA, UConn, UNC & Kansas. ;)
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I'm not convinced that the C-7 would draw better than the NBE either.

From a television perspective the top to bottom name brands and basketball will be better in the C-7. I don't think there is any doubt about that.

However, the vast majority of years the top 4 of the NBE in UConn, Temple, Memphis and Cinci are going to be playing Friday and Saturday. Those games will sell out.

The C-7 have not been the reason why MSG has been a hot ticket in recent memory. UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, West Virginia and ND are the programs driving ticket sales at MSG.

I'm sure having a Georgetown/Nova/St.John's on Friday/Saturday would do well ticket wise, but at the end of the day these are all small catholic schools that don't have a big following even though they are obviously more local.

I ultimately think Aresco/Football teams sell the name (I hope they don't) and I think MSG ends up doing a deal with the C7, but I don't think it's as big of a home run as everyone makes it out to be.
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As I mentioned to BL, the difficulty in all this is not knowing what will happen in the future for UConn and Cincy. The thing is no one knows definitively. We all know many of the potential scenarios and have presented them ad nauseum. And one of those scenarios is UConn gets left out of the major four/five. I don't want this possibility. I don't like this possibility. But if it exists (it is the current predicament that UConn is facing) then develop it optimally. UConn was in a conference with 7-9 teams that were in the hunt for a bb nc. Now they are in a conference with 4 contenders and three are a step down. That is today. And it may be that way tomorrow and beyond. But rather than think defeatist, think positive. MSG opens the eyes of recruits in the northeast. So why throw away another thing that could help UConn?
 
Obligatory "I know it's a tweet from MH ver 3 but I'm gonna post it anyway" disclaimer :

"So Delaney is trying to completely change the world of college football."
"The Big Ten eyes doubling its namesake."
 
I have a hard time seeing the math work. Can they go to 20 without diluting per team revenue?

In some respects, we are an attractive prospect since we would probably join for a nominal annual share and the ability to keep our tier 3 rights.
 
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