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Kolumbo said:
Right. Everyone knows conferences don't want to change names because they built a brand. Big East, ACC, SEC were smart about it. Plus a conference with Rutgers is suspect.
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"Big East, ACC, SEC were smart about it." With Stanford and Cal in the Atlantic Coast Conference, Texas and Oklahoma in The Southeast Conference, and Creighton and Butler in The Big East, you can pretty much dispel that notion. Nobody predicted how crazy realignment would become, in particular the persons tasked with naming the conferences.
 
Ldandy said:
"Big East, ACC, SEC were smart about it." With Stanford and Cal in the Atlantic Coast Conference, Texas and Oklahoma in The Southeast Conference, and Creighton and Butler in The Big East, you can pretty much dispel that notion. Nobody predicted how crazy realignment would become, in particular the persons tasked with naming the conferences.
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CR is crazy but The Big East brand is very strong, as is the ACC. Heck even the PAC 12 still sounds good despite it being a G conference now. The numbers in the conference name make no sense but it is still the brand names of several conferences. Including the A-10.
 
Kolumbo said:
CR is crazy but The Big East brand is very strong, as is the ACC. Heck even the PAC 12 still sounds good despite it being a G conference now. The numbers in the conference name make no sense but it is still the brand names of several conferences. Including the A-10.
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Agree. I always thought Aresco was foolish to give up the big east brand.
 
Kolumbo said:
CR is crazy but The Big East brand is very strong, as is the ACC. Heck even the PAC 12 still sounds good despite it being a G conference now. The numbers in the conference name make no sense but it is still the brand names of several conferences. Including the A-10.
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Correct. The equity is in the brand not in the actual number or real geographic location of its members.
 
BigTenFan said:
Big 10 academic competition between universities is just as important or more important than athletic results.
Every school wants to be ranked highest in every discipline.
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lol

I have this bridge you might be interested in.
 
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BigTenFan said:
Big 10 academic competition between universities is just as important or more important than athletic results.
Every school wants to be ranked highest in every discipline.
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Berkeley & Stanford strenuously disagree
 
www.nytimes.com

Why North Carolina is more valuable than you think in college football’s future

UNC could be attractive to both the Big Ten and the SEC in the future. It's not because of football success ... or Bill Belichick.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

This article provides details on when Rutgers and Maryland will receive a full revenue share from the B1G. I think it is the first time I have seen a date in print...........


However, neither Maryland and Rutgers (which became Big Ten members in 2014) nor Oregon and Washington (which joined alongside USC and UCLA in 2024) saw day-one vested membership. For six years, Maryland and Rutgers collected media rights stipends commensurate with what they would have received from their previous conferences. The Big Ten allowed both schools to borrow against future earnings, and they finally will receive whole shares starting in 2027. Maryland, which took in more than $125 million from the Big Ten in grants and loans from 2014 to 2020, was financially strapped after leaving the ACC and still struggles to catch up with its Big Ten brethren. Maryland reported the lowest revenue among the holdover Big Ten public schools in 2024.

“Most people didn’t know the dire financial straits of the program,” former Maryland president Wallace Loh told The Athletic last year. Loh described the Big Ten’s financial package as “one of the largest contracts ever, to have Maryland join the Big Ten.”

Rutgers, which borrowed $48 million against future earnings, did not receive the same financial assistance.


The Big Ten brought in USC and UCLA as fully vested members, which led to both earning valuations beyond their current financial profile. In the 2024 fiscal year, which coincided with its final season as a Pac-12 member, UCLA reported $19.93 million in media rights revenue, according to figures obtained by The Athletic through an open-records request. With a $75 million Big Ten payment in fiscal 2025, UCLA’s $55 million increase in media rights could help erase a $51 million shortfall the athletic department reported as a Pac-12 member. USC, which is a private university, is not subject to open-records laws but would earn the same revenue.

Oregon and Washington earn media half-shares before becoming vested members in 2030, which aligns with a new Big Ten media rights deal. However, those schools were in strong revenue situations preceding their Big Ten acceptance, which is why their valuations soar beyond most Big Ten colleagues. Oregon enjoys one of college sports’ greatest brands, and its close financial relationship with Nike keeps the department fiscally vibrant. Washington will borrow from the Big Ten against future earnings, but in fiscal 2024 it generated $190 million before it left the Pac-12.
 
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www.latimes.com

After successful Big Ten debut, UCLA has designs on something even bigger

UCLA earned 10 conference titles across the Big Ten and Mountain Pacific Sports Federation — more than any other Big Ten school — and aims for more.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

UCLA clearly looks like it's hurting from the B1G move.

One slight clarification from the article ---- if you count ONLY B1G titles, Oregon won the most at 8. UCLA was tied for second with Ohio State at 7.
 
Rufus said:
www.latimes.com

After successful Big Ten debut, UCLA has designs on something even bigger

UCLA earned 10 conference titles across the Big Ten and Mountain Pacific Sports Federation — more than any other Big Ten school — and aims for more.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

UCLA clearly looks like it's hurting from the B1G move.

One slight clarification from the article ---- if you count ONLY B1G titles, Oregon won the most at 8. UCLA was tied for second with Ohio State at 7.
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The school plans to partner with an outside firm to help its athletes with content creation to boost their social media following, making them more attractive to brands that could hire them for name, image and likeness deals.

Ah using the UConn/D'amelio model.
 
BigTenFan said:
Big 10 academic competition between universities is just as important or more important than athletic results.
Every school wants to be ranked highest in every discipline.
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Honest to god it amazes me what people will believe to protect their view of the world.......
 
Interesting opinion from one writer about UNC fitting BIG better than SEC. When I read this I couldn't help but think that UConn fits his narrative that its overall athletics offerings including MBB, WBB, Baseball, Softball, M&W Ice hockey, VB and soccer helps BIG better than most other colleges. WLax is pretty good as well and if only UConn would add MLax (which IMO they'd be national title contenders within five years if/when they add it) then UConn would be every bit as attractive as UNC is to make BIG the best overall athletics conference.

Ah, but football.....

What do you think?

MSN

www.msn.com
 
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broooce said:
Interesting opinion from one writer about UNC fitting BIG better than SEC. When I read this I couldn't help but think that UConn fits his narrative that its overall athletics offerings including MBB, WBB, Baseball, Softball, M&W Ice hockey, VB and soccer helps BIG better than most other colleges. WLax is pretty good as well and if only UConn would add MLax (which IMO they'd be national title contenders within five years if/when they add it) then UConn would be every bit as attractive as UNC is to make BIG the best overall athletics conference.

Ah, but football.....

What do you think?

MSN

www.msn.com
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It’s all true. But these conferences just don’t believe in the Northeast as football country anymore. Cuse, BC and Rutgers completely dropped the ball.
 
The Big Ten just added 4 very big football brands after whiffing with Rutgers and Maryland. Oregon was certainly a football move. They figured it out. It's about football. Does that mean it will still only focus on football, or will it go after UNC and UVA? The ACC was always more of a southern conference but the SEC trumps all, so I think UNC would be more than OK going with the SEC if offered a spot. Vandy, Texas, Georgia, Florida. All more than fine schools.

Will the SEC still only focus on football, or also consider UNC? It's always the chicken and the egg. Conferences carry programs, programs carry conferences, and sometimes they help each other out.

I think Arizona State is the next big thing. Decent football, the Pheonix market, and lots of Big Ten alumni move there, I think.
 
Kolumbo said:
The Big Ten just added 4 very big football brands after whiffing with Rutgers and Maryland. Oregon was certainly a football move. They figured it out. It's about football. Does that mean it will still only focus on football, or will it go after UNC and UVA? The ACC was always more of a southern conference but the SEC trumps all, so I think UNC would be more than OK going with the SEC if offered a spot. Vandy, Texas, Georgia, Florida. All more than fine schools.

Will the SEC still only focus on football, or also consider UNC? It's always the chicken and the egg. Conferences carry programs, programs carry conferences, and sometimes they help each other out.

I think Arizona State is the next big thing. Decent football, the Pheonix market, and lots of Big Ten alumni move there, I think.
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Agree. With revenue opportunities ramping up in other sports, and conferences seemingly falling by the wayside (is the demise of ACC imminent, after Pac12?), then conference bragging rights beyond football are coming to the fore. Which conference will be the best in basketball? SEC has been making a push - can't believe that Alabama is a top school in both M&W BB these days. SEC best in softball and baseball - big growth especially in softball (eyeballs on TV). Been watching a lot more ice hockey on TV over the years (at least that's a New England thing), and lacrosse is growing beyond traditional northeast/Atlantic coast footprint but still not quite fully rolled out in the country.

I think the conference media deals of the future will value the extended programming opportunities that these other sports offer throughout the calendar year beyond fall football. First it was geography and top media markets. But with streaming, that's not terribly relevant these days. To wit: I might not live in Iowa or PA but I want to watch Iowa-Penn State wrestling matches. It's the best teams playing in games among different sports that attract eyeballs. Another example is UConn WBB vs. South Carolina, UConn MBB vs. Kansas or Florida, etc.

That's why the SEC and BIG are best positioned to further enrich themselves and their member schools by thinking beyond football as fans love to watch many sports throughout the year, and colleges offer a great alternative to pro sports games. Adding UConn would arguably make BIG the best basketball conference over the SEC, as it's already considered the best in wrestling and women's volleyball. Maybe BIG can't overtake SEC in baseball and softball, but it can become the best in ice hockey, soccer, and lacrosse. They're both setting things up for future media rights negotiations.
 
broooce said:
Agree. With revenue opportunities ramping up in other sports, and conferences seemingly falling by the wayside (is the demise of ACC imminent, after Pac12?), then conference bragging rights beyond football are coming to the fore. Which conference will be the best in basketball? SEC has been making a push - can't believe that Alabama is a top school in both M&W BB these days. SEC best in softball and baseball - big growth especially in softball (eyeballs on TV). Been watching a lot more ice hockey on TV over the years (at least that's a New England thing), and lacrosse is growing beyond traditional northeast/Atlantic coast footprint but still not quite fully rolled out in the country.
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Yeah, except there are a lot of national championship hockey banners adorning Magness Arena at the University of Denver. Ten of them, in fact, including last year's. Also, three NCAA runner-up banners. That's something for New Englanders to emulate.
 
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With the last weekend in July behind us, I'm in a sour mood (so you know what's coming isn't good).

What is the point of this thread? To keep espousing the greatness of the BIG...a conference that does its absolute best to ignore us and make sure that UConn is permanently entrenched with the other non-P2 have nots? Should we also have a SEC Ramblings thread too, just so that we can have a P2 balanced exclusion of UConn? I'd probably prefer that so that we could breakdown the weekly SEC Shorts. I'm not necessarily picking on you @Rufus, but these postings don't connect positively in any way to UConn. You wanna feel good about your conference, okay, there are better venues than a UConn forum that has no connection to the BIG.
 
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KryHavok said:
Should we also have a SEC Ramblings thread too…?
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SEC Ramblings

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Marbles90 said:
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SEC Ramblings

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/columnists/university-of-tennessee/john-adams/2024/05/28/sec-spring-meetings-greg-sankey-tennessee-oklahoma-texas/73805774007/
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Ahhh, I stand (or rather sit) corrected, I need to spelunk more into the forums, not sure how I missed that golden gem and the ability to talk up Vandypimp from this past season.
 
Something I think the B1G is considering with their CFP proposal is that bowl games have become inconsequential and may actually become even more so with the expanded playoffs. Already, players opting out is hurting the bowls.

Conference championship games will become all but meaningless if the top two teams in each conference are already in.
 
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