B1G, ACC battle for New York

[DarthGrumpy]

Facts? Is it not a fact that Louisville smeared UConn in the most recent meeting between the two schools? Is it not a fact that your arena has had trouble filling itself when your team isn't ranked in the top 5? Is it not a fact that Siva graduated? Please tell me what I typed that isn't a fact.

Getting ‘smeared’ is not the #1 team in thee country losing by half by 6 against a NCAA scholarship restricted, injury depleted (shows-up with ‘Ville outrebounding UConn by 8 and 44 points in the paint to 20) team who had nothing, i.e. no post season, to play for and then winning by just 15 (73 to 58).

Even Pitino was gracious calling it a ‘hard fought game by a good, well coached squad.’ Why? Because he knows that college basketball is highly cyclical, especially with the one and done's. Ask Kentucky. One year they win the NCAA title, the next they don’t make the NCAA at all.

‘Getting’ smeared is losing a NCAA national championship game by 33 points (93-60), the largest in deficit in NCAA history, on national TV. It was a 35 point deficit with 2 minutes to go when the Huskies started to pull starters. Combined with the ‘Ville’s last women’s NCAA appearance, a 2009 loss also to UConn by 22, and the ‘Ville’s NCAA title history is 0-2 (both to UConn) with an average loss of 28 points. Ouch.

As for the XL Center. It is a dump. A dump that is 40+ years old that was +90% full for this game and where UConn has a record of 229 and 84. Everyone knows that the XL needs to be replaced and that UConn’s on-campus arena needs to a rehabilitation project or replacement. It will take time for this to be sorted out as anything involving state politics will.

Just ask Louisville, it took 10+ years to finally agree upon a new arena versus rehabilitating Freedom Hall. Your new area is great, no argument there; but it does have some warts. Such as an $800 MILLION debt that the ‘Ville, who is the main tenant, is not responsible for. Why? Because Jurich & Co. did not want to play downtown at it took a sweetheart deal to move there. The Yum! Center loses $33K for each ‘Ville men’s basketball game played there and $87K for every women’s basketball game played there. Why? Because the ‘Ville does not have to cover the operating costs for playing a game at the Yum and gets to keep nearly all of the revenue.

http://insiderlouisville.com/news/2013/01/31/denis-frankenberger-kfc-yum-center-ultimately-will-default-under-the-current-u-of-larena-authority-lease/?fb_action_ids=10152495349610006&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map={%221

It’s only a matter of time before the city lets Yum go bankrupt, which The University will then need to take over and finally pay for the debt service and operating costs. What will happen to ‘Ville’s athletic department’s massive profit margin? Good luck, also, getting support from the city or the state the next time the University needs help or money, especially as half of the city supports UK and not the 'Ville.

http://www.wave3.com/story/20282267/uofl-athletics-among-most-expensive-profitable-in-nation

 

[JayRU09]

 

[sportsart]

Probably the only flaw of this forum is trolls can say whatever they want and not get banned. This teen needs to go.

 

[specialisthusky]

This guy is not worth the responses but I do thank you for your interest in UCONN athletics.

 

[JayRU09]

This topic went from being about NYC and how UCONN could be the missing piece to pair up with RU or Cuse........so how did UL get into this?

 

[ctchamps]

This topic went from being about NYC and how UCONN could be the missing piece to pair up with RU or Cuse........so how did UL get into this?

He got bent out of shape when some poster made a comment about Louisvilles' academic standards. It was an inflammatory statement but the card fan just couldn't let it go. So he felt the need to hurt everyone who is a UConn fan. And anyone offering to reason with him are just misunderstanding human nature.

It is crazy throwing water on a grease fire. Tell someone that who never heard that and you could bet a certain number of people will ignore you and throw water. Tell people the best option is to ignore angry and irrational posting and there will still be those who will try to out anger him or reason with him. The fire will only get bigger.

 

[uconnell]

I.m really tired of all this crap from fans of other schools. They have been given enough freedom on this board but it is time to pull the plug. Where the heck are our Mods? Cincy doesn't get all this crap on their board because they pinned a notice to the top of their boards that this nonsense will not be tolerated. Maybe some of you like to deal with this, I personally don't.
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[B1GALUM]

I.m really tired of all this crap from fans of other schools. They have been given enough freedom on this board but it is time to pull the plug. Where the heck are our Mods? Cincy doesn't get all this crap on their board because they pinned a notice to the top of their boards that this nonsense will not be tolerated. Maybe some of you like to deal with this, I personally don't.
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It is regrettable that fans of other universities come to your board to disparage your university. If you decide exclusion of fans of other universities is in the best interest of your board, please know this was not the intent of all of us who have visited this board. There are some of us in the B1G that recognize there is value that UConn could bring to our conference. It is my hope that a vetting of UConn by the B1G is indeed occurring at this time. It is my hope that it will become clear through this process that UConn could definitely fit within the East Coast expansion plan of the B1G as well as within the conference as a whole given your role as a state flagship public research university. I think a mistake too often made in conference realignment is judging universities worthy of inclusion based solely on past performance while ignoring future potential. I think mutual benefit could be gained by accepting UConn, a university certainly with past successes but also definitely with even greater future academic and athletic potential, for membership in the B1G. I hope our conference leadership arrives at this conclusion as well and a B1G acceptance will be in your future.

 

[BlueHen]

It is regrettable that fans of other universities come to your board to disparage your university. If you decide exclusion of fans of other universities is in the best interest of your board, please know this was not the intent of all of us who have visited this board. There are some of us in the B1G that recognize there is value that UConn could bring to our conference. It is my hope that a vetting of UConn by the B1G is indeed occurring at this time. It is my hope that it will become clear through this process that UConn could definitely fit within the East Coast expansion plan of the B1G as well as within the conference as a whole given your role as a state flagship public research university. I think a mistake too often made in conference realignment is judging universities worthy of inclusion based solely on past performance while ignoring future potential. I think mutual benefit could be gained by accepting UConn, a university certainly with past successes but also definitely with even greater future academic and athletic potential, for membership in the B1G. I hope our conference leadership arrives at this conclusion as well and a B1G acceptance will be in your future.

I just joined, so I hope that they don't go that route. That said, the Louisville poster in question is clearly a troll; I don't think many here would mind if the mods sent him back under the bridge that he crawled out from.

 

[Jimdish255]

I.m really tired of all this crap from fans of other schools. They have been given enough freedom on this board but it is time to pull the plug. Where the heck are our Mods? Cincy doesn't get all this crap on their board because they pinned a notice to the top of their boards that this nonsense will not be tolerated. Maybe some of you like to deal with this, I personally don't.
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I don't like banning because occasionally posters bring a new perspective to the table. But lately we've had some trolls bringing nothing and hijacking threads. Hammer down on the offenders please.

 

[sportsart]

I farted while typing on the RU board and was banned. The SU board heard about it and banned me as well.

They have less than zero tolerance. This board needs an active reasonable mod.

 

[uconnell]

I'm not talking about you Big or any other fan, as I enjoy most posts from views or information that might be of interest, I'm talking about trolls that serve no purpose then to rile people up.Yes we know how insecure the Eskimos from up north are.

 

[jostar1]

I farted while typing on the RU board and was banned. The SU board heard about it and banned me as well.

They have less than zero tolerance. This board needs an active reasonable mod.

At the bottom of each post, there is a link to "Report" a post. I've used it once to report an obscene post and it was deleted by a mod. Perhaps it can be used to report a troll.

 

[d1reality]

The battle sounds like it'll be more of a massacre. The ACC's problem is that, with the possible exception of North Carolina, they own no major markets when it comes to football. Florida, the Gators. Georgia, Bulldogs. South Carolina, Gamecocks. Virginia, maybe at one time, but Maryland moving to the B1G puts the population centers in play. Pennsylvania, Penn State. New York and New England, open for discussion but definitely not BC and unlikely to be Syracuse.

Whatever opportunity the ACC had to own the North Atlantic coast they pissed away when they opted for Syracuse and Pitt instead of Rutgers and UConn.

ACC has made great strides in NY...additition of Cuse, now owning Pinstripe Bowl and target future hoops in MSG..bringing Duke, UNC, Cuse, UL et al to NY will be monsterous. They have planted a flag in NY. Pitt with ND establishes a strong Midwest presence

With the Huskies football recruiting class for 2014 currently rated 93 and 95 in the nation on Rivals and Scout respectively, things are not looking up.

The Bearcats may be the likely target ahead of UConn for any B1G or ACC growth.

 

[NickyNewark]

ACC has made great strides in NY...additition of Cuse, now owning Pinstripe Bowl and target future hoops in MSG..bringing Duke, UNC, Cuse, UL et al to NY will be monsterous. They have planted a flag in NY. Pitt with ND establishes a strong Midwest presence

With the Huskies football recruiting class for 2014 currently rated 93 and 95 in the nation on Rivals and Scout respectively, things are not looking up.

The Bearcats may be the likely target ahead of UConn for any B1G or ACC growth.

Cuse would be an excellent add if you want to dominate the Finger lakes/Ontario region but in NYC and the Hudson Valley/LI/Conn and of course NJ just don't register!...Why did you feel the need to come to UConn's board to make a long distance,disrespectful and rude post?Are you a fan of that Finger Lake area FB disaster?BTW could you direct me to the ACC's NYC office so I can see that flag?

 

[DarthGrumpy]

ACC has made great strides in NY...additition of Cuse, now owning Pinstripe Bowl and target future hoops in MSG..bringing Duke, UNC, Cuse, UL et al to NY will be monsterous. They have planted a flag in NY. Pitt with ND establishes a strong Midwest presence

With the Huskies football recruiting class for 2014 currently rated 93 and 95 in the nation on Rivals and Scout respectively, things are not looking up.

The Bearcats may be the likely target ahead of UConn for any B1G or ACC growth.

Basketball, yes, football, no. In the face of stiff competition for attention in NYC with Pro Sport teams, a college must either 1) win, 2) have a lot of alumni in the city, or 3) win.

No argument that ACC basketball could be a monster.

As for football, the ACC has not won much lately and its two ‘brand’ names, Florida State, and Miami, are still trying to reinvent themselves after Bowden left Florida State and Miami avoided some serious sanctions due to NCAA incompetence (or favoritism). UConn is .500 or better against each of the former Big E teams that the ACC recently acquired even with recruiting classes ranked as stated. Even with an offensively challenged team and a coach who should have retired a while ago, UConn beat a vaunted, ranked Louisville team in Louisville last year. That type of 'success' will not gain much attention in the Big Apple.

As for Alumni, Rutgers has the most (by a wide margin) followed by Penn State, ND, UConn, then Syracuse out of the major college teams. While tied numerically, the B1G has the two largest. UConn is the last major ‘prize’ left.

That said, I do believe that Cincinnati is ahead of UConn in the ACC pecking order should the conference expand again because 1) gives the ACC a toehold in the Midwest, and 2) all of the bad blood between the ACC and UConn. But, Cincinnati has no chance getting into the B1G because Ohio State will say no.

 

[upstater]

ACC has made great strides in NY...additition of Cuse, now owning Pinstripe Bowl and target future hoops in MSG..bringing Duke, UNC, Cuse, UL et al to NY will be monsterous. They have planted a flag in NY. Pitt with ND establishes a strong Midwest presence

With the Huskies football recruiting class for 2014 currently rated 93 and 95 in the nation on Rivals and Scout respectively, things are not looking up.

The Bearcats may be the likely target ahead of UConn for any B1G or ACC growth.

I am dating Kate Upton.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

ACC has made great strides in NY...additition of Cuse, now owning Pinstripe Bowl and target future hoops in MSG..bringing Duke, UNC, Cuse, UL et al to NY will be monsterous. They have planted a flag in NY. Pitt with ND establishes a strong Midwest presence

With the Huskies football recruiting class for 2014 currently rated 93 and 95 in the nation on Rivals and Scout respectively, things are not looking up.

The Bearcats may be the likely target ahead of UConn for any B1G or ACC growth.

We've got problems with our football program at the moment, no denying that. The Bearcats, on the other hand, seem to be moving in a better direction. Cincinnati may indeed make it into the ACC. Given that conference's recent adds, their profile could be a better fit (city as opposed to state affiliation).

The ACC has indeed made recent attempts to make their presence known in the New York metropolitan area. I believe they would like a greater role in the region. What I don't understand is, given their obvious chubby for NYC, why would they pass on the two schools most likely to have an impact there (UConn and Rutgers) for Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville. Any insight into that conundrum?

 

[JayRU09]

Wait, how does the ACC 'own' the Pinstripe bowl when its tie in is also with the Big Ten?

How does that help at all?

 

[ctchamps]

We've got problems with our football program at the moment, no denying that. The Bearcats, on the other hand, seem to be moving in a better direction. Cincinnati may indeed make it into the ACC. Given that conference's recent adds, their profile could be a better fit (city as opposed to state affiliation).

The ACC has indeed made recent attempts to make their presence known in the New York metropolitan area. I believe they would like a greater role in the region. What I don't understand is, given their obvious chubby for NYC, why would they pass on the two schools most likely to have an impact there (UConn and Rutgers) for Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville. Any insight into that conundrum?

I honestly don't understand the ACC's direction. They had North Carolina, Virginia and Maryland locked up. All they had to do was get Rutgers and UConn and they would have locked up NJ, and NE because we all know BC is just a faint pulse even in it's own state.

But they settled for a geographic outlier (Cuse), get the distant second team in Penn. and the distant second team in Kentucky. And of course they lose Md. This is totally the opposite approach to the B!g which wants state flagship programs. Why, because flagship programs dominate their markets viewership relative to the other universities.

The ACC is always going to come in second in SC and Georgia and it looks like they may be buried in Fla. as well. They had an opportunity to increase the number of states in which they are number one and they totally went in the wrong direction with the one exception of Cuse and most of us are arguing northern NY is not getting the state of NY or NYC. Rutgers and UConn would have been the much better play for that.

 

[Sea Goat]

I honestly don't understand the ACC's direction. They had North Carolina, Virginia and Maryland locked up. All they had to do was get Rutgers and UConn and they would have locked up NJ, and NE because we all know BC is just a faint pulse even in it's own state.

But they settled for a geographic outlier (Cuse), get the distant second team in Penn. and the distant second team in Kentucky. And of course they lose Md. This is totally the opposite approach to the B!g which wants state flagship programs. Why, because flagship programs dominate their markets viewership relative to the other universities.

The ACC is always going to come in second in SC and Georgia and it looks like they may be buried in Fla. as well. They had an opportunity to increase the number of states in which they are number one and they totally went in the wrong direction with the one exception of Cuse and most of us are arguing northern NY is not getting the state of NY or NYC. Rutgers and UConn would have been the much better play for that.

Yup - and while we would take any path out of the gulag called the AAC, I hope it's the B1G that calls. It has maintained its integrity and consistency through the CR process. The ACC, on the other hand, seems scattered and desperate. How else can you explain paying homage to ND on ND's terms and inviting Louisville?

 

[Adios]

I honestly don't understand the ACC's direction. They had North Carolina, Virginia and Maryland locked up. All they had to do was get Rutgers and UConn and they would have locked up NJ, and NE because we all know BC is just a faint pulse even in it's own state.

But they settled for a geographic outlier (Cuse), get the distant second team in Penn. and the distant second team in Kentucky. And of course they lose Md. This is totally the opposite approach to the B!g which wants state flagship programs. Why, because flagship programs dominate their markets viewership relative to the other universities.

The ACC is always going to come in second in SC and Georgia and it looks like they may be buried in Fla. as well. They had an opportunity to increase the number of states in which they are number one and they totally went in the wrong direction with the one exception of Cuse and most of us are arguing northern NY is not getting the state of NY or NYC. Rutgers and UConn would have been the much better play for that.

Championships won in the past by Pitt and Syracuse. Pitt won several. They were trying to add historical programs who have won in the past. Rutgers won a split championship in 1869 and nothing since. UConn never won a championship in football. That's the only logic behind those moves. Don't underestimate Pitt football. They do attract a lot of eyeballs for television.

Otherwise, had they looked into the future, Rutgers and UConn over Syracuse and BC, at least, is a no-brainer. Stupid, stupid, stupid decision. Oh well.

 

[upstater]

I honestly don't understand the ACC's direction. They had North Carolina, Virginia and Maryland locked up. All they had to do was get Rutgers and UConn and they would have locked up NJ, and NE because we all know BC is just a faint pulse even in it's own state.

But they settled for a geographic outlier (Cuse), get the distant second team in Penn. and the distant second team in Kentucky. And of course they lose Md. This is totally the opposite approach to the B!g which wants state flagship programs. Why, because flagship programs dominate their markets viewership relative to the other universities.

The ACC is always going to come in second in SC and Georgia and it looks like they may be buried in Fla. as well. They had an opportunity to increase the number of states in which they are number one and they totally went in the wrong direction with the one exception of Cuse and most of us are arguing northern NY is not getting the state of NY or NYC. Rutgers and UConn would have been the much better play for that.

If Miami becomes a basketcase school (it's trending that way), the ACC will be seen as a colossal bust.

 

[ctchamps]

Yup - and while we would take any path out of the gulag called the AAC, I hope it's the B1G that calls. It has maintained its integrity and consistency through the CR process. The ACC, on the other hand, seems scattered and desperate. How else can you explain paying homage to ND on ND's terms and inviting Louisville?

Louisville could be interesting for the ACC. I don't quite subscribe to the academic achievement of one school being impacted by another member within a conference. Each university stands on its own merit. Ville didn't impact UConn as a member of the BE. The big discrepancy should be academic standards for athletes. I suspect NC's football team and the ongoing investigation at Miami says it all and more than likely universities have lost their moral compass when it comes to athletics. Therefore the lower standards of student admissions by Ville will have no impact in the ACC. It looks like the SEC has set the standards for the country.

ND could really hurt the ACC. ND will more than likely sabotage a conference than help it. The ACC is going for short term gains that will severely prevent long term gains. Hoping the prettiest girl gives you the final goal when she kisses you can really prevent you from looking for the less sexy one who would really give you satisfaction.

The B!G most likely will be second or third in football as a conference. They may have a blip here or there but I think their best years are past them. What is interesting is bb. UConn could really make the B!G competitive with the ACC. If UConn goes to the ACC that conference would be a super version of the the former BE.

I just don't like the politics in the ACC! It is a version of the BE with a strong divide between basketball and football centric attitudes. The B!G has it's own political flaws and pettiness. But imo, it is far more balanced as a conference. After suffering with the machinations of the BE and it's breakup, if UConn was by some magical chance offered the opportunity to get into either the ACC or the B!G my overwhelming choice would be to the B!G because of this.

 

[ctchamps]

Championships won in the past by Pitt and Syracuse. Pitt won several. They were trying to add historical programs who have won in the past. Rutgers won a split championship in 1869 and nothing since. UConn never won a championship in football. That's the only logic behind those moves. Don't underestimate Pitt football. They do attract a lot of eyeballs for television.

Otherwise, had they looked into the future, Rutgers and UConn over Syracuse and BC, at least, is a no-brainer. Stupid, stupid, stupid decision. Oh well.

I was only looking at the metrics of shooting for the most eyes. All the programs the ACC took were quality programs. But the Delaney model is more intelligent imo. Get the biggest fish in every pond and not worry about the size of the pond. Outside of Northwestern of course. The ACC made good defensive moves and survived but they didn't make offensive moves that could put them at the level of the the three strong conferences.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

If Miami becomes a basketcase school (it's trending that way), the ACC will be seen as a colossal bust.

I don't think there's any way the ACC can avoid it

 

[Adios]

Miami = BC South.

 

[Sea Goat]

Championships won in the past by Pitt and Syracuse. Pitt won several. They were trying to add historical programs who have won in the past. Rutgers won a split championship in 1869 and nothing since. UConn never won a championship in football. That's the only logic behind those moves. Don't underestimate Pitt football. They do attract a lot of eyeballs for television.

Otherwise, had they looked into the future, Rutgers and UConn over Syracuse and BC, at least, is a no-brainer. Stupid, stupid, stupid decision. Oh well.

Yup as to your over-all conclusion. A little history is also in order re: Pitt football, however. Pitt has one title in the modern era - 1976. That year, Pitt was the undisputed national champion and a great football team. Majors was the coach and Dorsett was running the ball. Before that however, Pitt had not won a "title" since 1937 and split that with Cal. In the Big East, Pitt and UConn each shared two football titles. Syracuse won one national title in 1959 and split that with Mississippi. Syracuse won many BE titles but were not in the national picture. BC's rep was largely a result of one game vs. Miami in 1984. No titles, however.

Not exactly Bama, OU, Miami, USC etc - type performances.

 

[JayRU09]

Pitt has had one high rated game in the past few years and it was because Cincy was undefeated. with 'Pitt attracts a lot of eyeballs'.

 

[btstimpy]

If Miami becomes a basketcase school (it's trending that way), the ACC will be seen as a colossal bust.

I don't see Miami trending toward basketcase at all. I'm not sure how you are qualifying this. The Miami Men's basketball team had its best season in school history this past season winning the ACC regular season championship and tournament championship. Their women's basketball team finished fifth in the ACC and made the NCAA tournament. Their football team has rebuilt itself under Al Golden after falling behind under Randy Shannon. They are picked to win the Coastal Division, and have a test with the Florida Gators. Their Olympic Sports have improved since they have been in the ACC. I'd say baseball has gone a little backwards, but the ACC is a tough baseball conference.

The basketcase school in the ACC is the University of Maryland. They have been for 3 decades, and they will continue to be one at their new home. I have no doubt whatsoever. They are a short termer in the ACC at this point. Here is some more information on this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...a58258-0423-11e3-88d6-d5795fab4637_story.html