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CL82 said:
Thanks, that made that easy. For what it’s worth immediately after mentioning that the big 12 got calls from Connecticut and Memphis after it said that it was “open for business” he then goes on to comment “I’m not sure that’s gonna happen.” So, yeah, I mention, but almost immediately afterwards a dismissal.

Of course, since the supposed phone call, we’ve won another national championship. I’m not sure if that makes us materially more desirable, though it sure seems like it should. He does go on to say that the big 12 is looking to have games starting at 12 PM eastern on the East Coast right up through night games on the West Coast. We sure seem like a good fit for that noon slot.

I have to say that I am kind of “meh” about the big 12 rumors. Yeah, if we could get full membership and a full share, it would dramatically help the athletic department financially. I’m just not sure how much a “national conference“ moves the needle for our Fanbase, myself included. Probably just AAC PTSD talking though.
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Football wise the B12 is much better than the old Big East we were in until 2012, so no problem there.

Big 12 basketball IMO is just as good as the current Big East it's just doesn't have local teams/traditional rivals for us to play, but there are very good basketball programs in that conference, led by Kansas and Houston.

Bottom line a B12 o$$er cannot be turned down and the fans would just need to get used to new conference rivals. traditional rivals can be played out of conference.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
Football wise the B12 is much better than the old Big East we were in until 2012, so no problem there.

Big 12 basketball IMO is just as good as the current Big East it's just doesn't have local teams/traditional rivals for us to play, but there are very good basketball programs in that conference, led by Kansas and Houston.

Bottom line a B12 o$$er cannot be turned down and the fans would just need to get used to new conference rivals. traditional rivals can be played out of conference.
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I agree with all of that. It doesn’t mean I am looking forward to the bulk of the games in that conference.
 
manbyrd said:
If we go ACC I foresee the conference collapsing within a year and we'll be stuck with Georgia Tech, BC and Wake Forest and forced to combine with the AAC to form the American Athletic Atlantic Coast Conference.
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I see a new member of the rule 1 club
 
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Supposedly, the Big 12 is into East Coast outreach with stuff like their deal with the Rucker league. If they were serious, they take UConn, put the B12 tourney in Barclay and UConn will sell it out for them. Done and done.
 
Waquoit said:
Supposedly, the Big 12 is into East Coast outreach with stuff like their deal with the Rucker league. If they were serious, they take UConn, put the B12 tourney in Barclay and UConn will sell it out for them. Done and done.
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Agreed. As long as we don't get bounced early. Plus Kansas would hate it.
 
Waquoit said:
Supposedly, the Big 12 is into East Coast outreach with stuff like their deal with the Rucker league. If they were serious, they take UConn, put the B12 tourney in Barclay and UConn will sell it out for them. Done and done.
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This is interesting idea. They might even want to have B12 play some baseball games at Citifield and football games at MetLife
 
jostar1 said:
That article referenced this article, which I had not seen before.

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If the ACC is considering taking UConn the time to act is now. The B12 is likely very interested in UConn too .
 
My brother in law is a big FSU guy. He thinks the B12 is going to approach UConn but is being very quiet about it so the ACC doesn’t make a move. He feels the ACC is such a mess right now that even if the commissioner wanted to add UConn, he couldn’t. He thinks FSU and Clemson would simply say, “What’s in it for us?”, and it would go nowhere.

He’s probably right. The ACC likely can’t make anything happen without doing something for the disgruntled members in terms of uneven revenue or releasing them from the GOR.
 
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If the ACC takes anyone...it is because they not only pay their way in revenue earned but add additional revenue to the ACC media package....and bolster football.

With FSU already documenting that they bring in twice the revenue of ACC average...and Clemson right behind, both donor schools...there would be an automatic two "no votes" for programs not meeting that criteria and they would bring some other no votes with them....do not really need another Duke or UNC (particularly with the huge possible revenues to come under the CFP playoffs..and particularly if they expand to 16 teams and the P2 work it so that individual schools playing in the playoffs bring in big monies...knowing they will have maybe three of four teams in the CFP with 16.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
This is interesting idea. They might even want to have B12 play some baseball games at Citifield and football games at MetLife
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As long as they are away games or neutral for UConn.

It might be cool to do a mini tournament there or at Yankee Stadium during a road trip for the MLB teams. I wouldn’t mind if they rotated it annually one on the East Coast, one on the West Coast, and one Midwest/central.
 
Hoophound said:
My brother in law is a big FSU guy. He thinks the B12 is going to approach UConn but is being very quiet about it so the ACC doesn’t make a move. He feels the ACC is such a mess right now that even if the commissioner wanted to add UConn, he couldn’t. He thinks FSU and Clemson would simply say, “What’s in it for us?”, and it would go nowhere.

He’s probably right. The ACC likely can’t make anything happen without doing something for the disgruntled members in terms of uneven revenue or releasing them from the GOR.
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Yeah, except that FSU and Clemson have a GOR and aren’t going anywhere in the near term. After 2036, they’re likely not staying anyway.
 
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CL82 said:
Yeah, except that FSU and Clemson have a GOR and aren’t going anywhere in the near term. After 2036, they’re likely not staying anyway.
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That’s my point. Nothing is happening in the ACC unless uneven revenue shares or a release from the GOR come with the deal. So basically, the ACC isn’t adding UConn or anyone else.
 
Hoophound said:
That’s my point. Nothing is happening in the ACC unless uneven revenue shares or a release from the GOR come with the deal. So basically, the ACC isn’t adding UConn or anyone else.
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How about adding UConn and maybe other schools to increase the total paid for TV rights because viewers want to watch champions.
 
Add UConn. Give them half a share and split the other half among FSU and Clemson. Problem is North Carolina will want some more and then NC State will want more etc etc.
 
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noeynox said:
Add UConn. Give them half a share and split the other half among FSU and Clemson. Problem is North Carolina will want some more and then NC State will want more etc etc.
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We would take a half share from the SEC or B1G, but half of what the ACC makes, while an improvement, would still stink. Maybe a temporary half share that leads to a full share.
 
Should the B12 offer, it will be interesting to see if the ACC scrambles with a proposal of their own...especially if there is enough time in the period between word of the offer and full acceptance.

But in the meantime this P12 situation needs to resolve itself and then we can get on with the show! The B12 wont be doing anything until that is settled.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
How about adding UConn and maybe other schools to increase the total paid for TV rights because viewers want to watch champions.
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Who says people want to watch champions? The B1G basically never wins at anything and makes big time money just because the schools are massive and churn out 100k new alumni every year that will dutifully watch the games and buy all the crap advertised during.
 
Hoophound said:
That’s my point. Nothing is happening in the ACC unless uneven revenue shares or a release from the GOR come with the deal. So basically, the ACC isn’t adding UConn or anyone else.
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You realize that the GOR just grants the broadcast rights of the existing team to the conference, right? It doesn’t prevent any additions to the conference. Tomorrow, if ESPN decided it was willing to pony up to pay for a pro rata share for Connecticut, it could. Add some nominal increase to that pro rata share, and you probably will have enough votes for the addition.
 
LoyalFanCT said:
How about adding UConn and maybe other schools to increase the total paid for TV rights because viewers want to watch champions.
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If adding us (basically a basketball addition) would generate a sufficient revenue increase to move the needle for members of a currently 15 school basketball conference we would be able to write our own ticket anywhere.
 
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noeynox said:
Add UConn. Give them half a share and split the other half among FSU and Clemson. Problem is North Carolina will want some more and then NC State will want more etc etc.
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half share nonsense. But if ESPN wants to pay a premium and direct, all of that to whomever the conference directs, that’s fine.
 
CL82 said:
half share nonsense. But if ESPN wants to pay a premium and direct, all of that to whomever the conference directs, that’s fine.
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Oh my, potty fingers. I'd love for the school to get full share, but we ain't getting in without other schools (at least some of them) getting something in return. I don't think ESPN has ever had issues paying full share for UConn. You've just certain schools against our addition for differing reasons. Silly them they thought UConn would shrivel up and die on the vine without Calhoun and a P5 affiliation.

That's why I say take the Big 12 over the ACC if there ever is a choice. Every opportunity to snub UConn they've taken full liberties with.
 
noeynox said:
Oh my, potty fingers. I'd love for the school to get full share, but we ain't getting in without other schools (at least some of them) getting something in return. I don't think ESPN has ever had issues paying full share for UConn. You've just certain schools against our addition for differing reasons. Silly them they thought UConn would shrivel up and die on the vine without Calhoun and a P5 affiliation.

That's why I say take the Big 12 over the ACC if there ever is a choice. Every opportunity to snub UConn they've taken full liberties with.
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Yeah, respectfully suggesting that we take less than a full share, it’s just dumb. Certainly taking a half share is, unless, of course, it was part of a phase into a full share. How conference realignment has worked fairly consistently is that a net work pays enough to pay for the full share of the new member plus some additional amount for every existing member. That’s why it gets incrementally more difficult to expand conferences after every round of realignment.

My point is it really doesn’t matter if FSU and Clemson vehemently opposed us, because they’re gone anyway at their first opportunity, which will be 2036 give or take a couple years. So the leverage that FSU had when they indicated their preference for Louisville instead of us may well have disappeared. Then it was the threat of their leaving that gave them extra throw weight. Now, their leaving is a practical certainly.

If we leave the big east, we should only consider joining a conference where we are making 1) dramatically more money and 2) joining a stable conference. As much as I would prefer to play ACC teams given our prior history with them, I agree that the big 12 seems to be the more stable conference end is in a position to pay more money. The really interesting question is what if the big 12 offers us, say, $12 -15 million as a basketball only member (they won’t) versus the ACC, offering us a full share at say $35-$37 million? At first blush you would take the ACC, but they are very likely to fall apart in 2036.
 
noeynox said:
I don't think ESPN has ever had issues paying full share for UConn.
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To that point, if you accept DiFillippo's claim that BC was able to box UConn out.. the original plan was Syracuse - UConn; with the Pitt swap being acceptable when the Panthers were shown to project to similar revenues. In theory that would indicate that ESPN was willing to pay a full share at that point in time and that UConn's value was at least as high as Pitt's at that point. Of course that was also a decade earlier... who knows what the projections are now.
 
CL82 said:
You realize that the GOR just grants the broadcast rights of the existing team to the conference, right? It doesn’t prevent any additions to the conference. Tomorrow, if ESPN decided it was willing to pony up to pay for a pro rata share for Connecticut, it could. Add some nominal increase to that pro rata share, and you probably will have enough votes for the addition.
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No, I’m not aware of that. You may be right, but my understanding is that the schools would still vote on new members. FSU and Clemson (and probably UNC, Miami and UVA) would use that as an opportunity to leverage the hell out of the situation and either get a large uneven revenue share or ask for a release from the GOR. A few million extra isn’t going to do it for them. The ACC would have added us, Cincy and WVU already if there were a stomach for it. There isn’t.

BC and Cuse may be dying to add us, it wouldn’t matter. There is no longer a reason for the big football schools in the ACC to support expansion. The ACC is a dead man walking. The votes won’t be there because expansion only benefits the schools with no chance elsewhere.

We need to get into the B12 now (ish).
 
Hoophound said:
No, I’m not aware of that. You may be right, but my understanding is that the schools would still vote on new members. FSU and Clemson (and probably UNC, Miami and UVA) would use that as an opportunity to leverage the hell out of the situation and either get a large uneven revenue share or ask for a release from the GOR. A few million extra isn’t going to do it for them. The ACC would have added us, Cincy and WVU already if there were a stomach for it. There isn’t.

BC and Cuse may be dying to add us, it wouldn’t matter. There is no longer a reason for the big football schools in the ACC to support expansion. The ACC is a dead man walking. The votes won’t be there because expansion only benefits the schools with no chance elsewhere.

We need to get into the B12 now (ish).
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Of course schools would vote on admissions. But FSU and Clemson ability to threaten to leave unless they get their way is meaningless because 1) of the GOR and 2) everyone knows that they are out at there earliest opportunity regardless.
 
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