Astros/Red Sox Cheating Scandal

[superjohn]

your last paragraph shows you’re just intentionally bei obtuse. just check the tweet:

I'm being obtuse?

Logan Morrison has firsthand accounts of the Red Sox, Astros, Dodgers, and Yankees using film to pick up signs? The Manfred report is straight FAKE news? This started in Houston well before Joey Cora got there?

 

[buddy]

Not surprised one bit. The Pats filming the Bengals sideline. The Sox stealing signs. Welcome to Boston.

Boston College screwing UConn. Bingo!

 

[jibsey]

The Athletic article clearly stated that MLB had control over the video rooms during the playoffs starting in 2018. So no, no video cheating in the 18 playoffs. In 17 though, the Astros were able to do what they had done all year.

Sounds like the Astros set up their own feed, but the Commish will let the Red Sox and Cora know soon enough. Nervous?

 

[the Q]

I'm being obtuse?

Logan Morrison has firsthand accounts of the Red Sox, Astros, Dodgers, and Yankees using film to pick up signs? The Manfred report is straight FAKE news? This started in Houston well before Joey Cora got there?

you mean besides the tweet with the event from 2014?

 

[the Q]

Sounds like the Astros set up their own feed, but the Commish will let the Red Sox and Cora know soon enough. Nervous?

sox are gonna get hammered.

 

[tentoes4rings]

Sounds like the Astros set up their own feed, but the Commish will let the Red Sox and Cora know soon enough. Nervous?

No. Worst case scenario Cora gets fired and Sox get hit with minor penalties. I don’t expect Sox to be up near top again for another 2-3 years so it’s not that big of a deal.

 

[the Q]

No. Worst case scenario Cora gets fired and Sox get hit with minor penalties. I don’t expect Sox to be up near top again for another 2-3 years so it’s not that big of a deal.

the Sox gave one Of the worst farm systems already.

losing picks like Houston would be a very big deal

 

[HooperScooper]

No. Worst case scenario Cora gets fired and Sox get hit with minor penalties. I don’t expect Sox to be up near top again for another 2-3 years so it’s not that big of a deal.

Really? Minor penalties? I'm a Sox fan and based on the fact that the Sox were warned in 2017 after the Apple watch cheating scandal that if they ever got caught doing something like this again the penalties would be severe, I think they're going to get hammered by MLB. Add to that Cora's involvement in Houston and Boston and I think their penalties might be more severe than Houston's.

Cora is definitely going to get fired after MLB suspends him. His suspension could be for more than 1 year since MLB says he orchestrated the cheating in Houston and then cheated in Boston also. Double whammy.

 

[methodology]

No. Worst case scenario Cora gets fired and Sox get hit with minor penalties. I don’t expect Sox to be up near top again for another 2-3 years so it’s not that big of a deal.

I expect similar penalties maybe slightly less for the red Sox but more severe for Cora

 

[the Q]

Really? Minor penalties? I'm a Sox fan and based on the fact that the Sox were warned in 2017 after the Apple watch cheating scandal that if they ever got caught doing something like this again the penalties would be severe, I think they're going to get hammered by MLB. Add to that Cora's involvement in Houston and Boston and I think their penalties might be more severe than Houston's.

Cora is definitely going to get fired after MLB suspends him. His suspension could be for more than 1 year since MLB says he orchestrated the cheating in Houston and then cheated in Boston also. Double whammy.

yeah Cora is double dipping the bad way. He may get the career death penalty.

sox will lose picks and cash.

 

[TheChamps990411]

Not surprised one bit. The Pats filming the Bengals sideline. The Sox stealing signs. Welcome to Boston.

Its like Whitey Bulger never left lol

 

[Yardigan]

Do better with signs... You play baseball 4 hours a day...take a few of those other hours to work on an effective sign scheme

 

[jibsey]

* That’s what will be placed after the Red Sox 2018 title when this is all over.

 

[methodology]

Do better with signs... You play baseball 4 hours a day...take a few of those other hours to work on an effective sign scheme

The average mlb game is 3:05 hours
Average NFL game 3:12 hours

There no harm stealing signs and signaling the batter when you are a baserunner on 2nd but when you systematically put something in place to signal the batter on every pitch and no baserunner on that's Busch league and goes against the unwritten rules. That's when you risk putting a player in harm's way by having the opposing pitcher throwing at them

 

[Yardigan]

The average mlb game is 3:05 hours
Average NFL game 3:12 hours

There no harm stealing signs and signaling the batter when you are a baserunner on 2nd but when you systematically put something in place to signal the batter on every pitch and no baserunner on that's Busch league and goes against the unwritten rules. That's when you risk putting a player in harm's way by having the opposing pitcher throwing at them

I would think the batter would be more at risk if you ;d up the sign and you got guys leaning into heaters they thought would be breaking pitches... and if the signs were undecipherable, like they should be...that's exactly what would happen.

 

[methodology]

I would think the batter would be more at risk if you ;d up the sign and you got guys leaning into heaters they thought would be breaking pitches... and if the signs were undecipherable, like they should be...that's exactly what would happen.

Blame MLB you are only allowed 3 mound visits and 2 during an inning then you have to take pitcher out. Signs change with runners on base. A pitcher has anywhere from 3-4/5 pitches.

You can't change up signs without a mound visit and the catcher walking in front of the plate and communicating with the pitcher is considered a mound visit

 

[jibsey]

To those who think what’s the big deal, these players are so good at what they do that knowing whether it’s a breaking ball ball vs a heater probably turns them into .400 hitters.

 

[methodology]

To those who think what’s the big deal, these players are so good at what they do that knowing whether it’s a breaking ball ball vs a heater probably turns them into .400 hitters.

I agree but it's probably more like a .260 hitter becomes a .280 hitter

 

[nomar]

Cora’s going down and I don’t feel good about what the Sox did but by all accounts they were not cheating during the 2018 playoffs.

Nobody was sharing signs with Mookie, I can tell you that.

 

[Caronimo]

The Red Sox didn’t bat over .400 with RISP and two outs in the WS without a kicker. They cheated. Bye Cora. Steve Pearce wouldn’t have done crap. *

 

[the Q]

Cora’s going down and I don’t feel good about what the Sox did but by all accounts they were not cheating during the 2018 playoffs.

Nobody was sharing signs with Mookie, I can tell you that.

Cora is going down and a very bad farm system will get worse.

 

[CTBasketball]

Cora’s going down and I don’t feel good about what the Sox did but by all accounts they were not cheating during the 2018 playoffs.

Nobody was sharing signs with Mookie, I can tell you that.

If you remove Mookie’s 2018 season he turns into a career .290 hitter. I also find it ironic how Altuve (2017) and Betts (2018) won MVP with ridiculously good numbers and high BA’s.

 

[methodology]

After thinking about it the Braves punishment a few years ago over singing international prospects might be worse.

They lost the 9 guys they signed and $15 million they used to sign those players

 

[The Viking]

Cora will get 2 years and the Sox will likely let him go if that's the case. What the Red Sox did compared to the Astros is not really in the same ballpark (pardon the pun) but there's blood in the water and this is Cora's second offense. I still can't believe they came down this hard on the Astros.

Considering they Yankees were caught in 2015 with using video to steal signs it makes you wonder if they've recently found another way to let the hitter know what's coming outside of using the video room.

When you consider how many of their unheralded guys turn into big contributors once they reach the Bronx, it's not something to dismiss.

Example, Luke Voit's highest HR total in the minors was 19 back in 1916. In 2018, St. Louis has seen enough where they are ready to move on from him for Carson Shreve. He spends time in the minors and hits 10 HR's in 303 at bats. Then he gets called up to the Bronx and while he's facing the best pitching in his life, he hits 15 HR's in 161 at bats.

Then you have the hiring of Carlos Beltran by the Yankees in Dec 2018 - the same guy who was instrumental in the 2017 Astros cheating scandal - and we watch guys like Urshela, Tauchman, Maybin - hell even Mike Ford have impactful seasons out of nowhere. Oh yeah and then Brett Gardner and his 28 homers.

Something to think about.

 

[David 76]

[QUOTE="The Viking, post: 3398238, member
When you consider how many of their unheralded guys turn into big contributors once they reach the Bronx

Then you have the hiring of Carlos Beltran by the Yankees in Dec 2018 - the same guy who was instrumental in the 2017 Astros cheating scandal - and we watch guys like Urshela, Tauchman, Maybin - hell even Mike Ford have impactful seasons out of nowhere. Oh yeah and then Brett Gardner and his 28 homers.

Something to think about.
[/QUOTE]

Nice try

 

[temery]

Why is stealing signals against the rules? Use better signals.

 

[SixRings]

Why is stealing signals against the rules? Use better signals.

it’s been part of the game since it’s inception. That’s where MLB has a hard time. If I’m correct, now the rule is that you can’t use electronics to assist in stealing signs.

 

[Martin]

This must be why guys step out of the batters box so often because they’re waiting for the signal.
Moe important how does this impact my fantasy draft?

 

[mauconnfan]

Cora will get 2 years and the Sox will likely let him go if that's the case. What the Red Sox did compared to the Astros is not really in the same ballpark (pardon the pun) but there's blood in the water and this is Cora's second offense. I still can't believe they came down this hard on the Astros.

Considering they Yankees were caught in 2015 with using video to steal signs it makes you wonder if they've recently found another way to let the hitter know what's coming outside of using the video room.

When you consider how many of their unheralded guys turn into big contributors once they reach the Bronx, it's not something to dismiss.

Example, Luke Voit's highest HR total in the minors was 19 back in 1916. In 2018, St. Louis has seen enough where they are ready to move on from him for Carson Shreve. He spends time in the minors and hits 10 HR's in 303 at bats. Then he gets called up to the Bronx and while he's facing the best pitching in his life, he hits 15 HR's in 161 at bats.

Then you have the hiring of Carlos Beltran by the Yankees in Dec 2018 - the same guy who was instrumental in the 2017 Astros cheating scandal - and we watch guys like Urshela, Tauchman, Maybin - hell even Mike Ford have impactful seasons out of nowhere. Oh yeah and then Brett Gardner and his 28 homers.

Something to think about.

And better hitters like Judge, Didi not having good years explain that one. And not for nothing if you watched Sanchez last year he looked like a guy who never knew what pitch was coming, ever! And you can blame the 28 HRs for gardner on HGH or something, thats rampant in the game all over anyway, but his crappy average once again shows he wasn't sure what was on it's way to the plate.

Love the effort though, if the Sox get caught everyone else is doing it. And the HR totals in the minors on Voit, want to go through yours? What has Pearce ever done until playing for the Sox? LOL

 

[CTBasketball]

Cora will get 2 years and the Sox will likely let him go if that's the case. What the Red Sox did compared to the Astros is not really in the same ballpark (pardon the pun) but there's blood in the water and this is Cora's second offense. I still can't believe they came down this hard on the Astros.

Considering they Yankees were caught in 2015 with using video to steal signs it makes you wonder if they've recently found another way to let the hitter know what's coming outside of using the video room.

When you consider how many of their unheralded guys turn into big contributors once they reach the Bronx, it's not something to dismiss.

Example, Luke Voit's highest HR total in the minors was 19 back in 1916. In 2018, St. Louis has seen enough where they are ready to move on from him for Carson Shreve. He spends time in the minors and hits 10 HR's in 303 at bats. Then he gets called up to the Bronx and while he's facing the best pitching in his life, he hits 15 HR's in 161 at bats.

Then you have the hiring of Carlos Beltran by the Yankees in Dec 2018 - the same guy who was instrumental in the 2017 Astros cheating scandal - and we watch guys like Urshela, Tauchman, Maybin - hell even Mike Ford have impactful seasons out of nowhere. Oh yeah and then Brett Gardner and his 28 homers.

Something to think about.

You do know that the lack of scouting on Luke Voit at the MLB level, and his opposite field power at Yankee Stadium have more of a reason for his breakout season than falsely raising the question that the Yankees were cheating?