Astros/Red Sox Cheating Scandal



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This is the only way I'd be OK with moving on from Beltran is if I 100% knew Hinch was coming next year. Although that would be awfully tough to justify after you fire Beltran

this goes to my next point about replacement managers. How are people so seemingly ok with letting the bench coaches, who were there for all this, just take over?
 
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this goes to my next point about replacement managers. How are people so seemingly ok with letting the bench coaches, who were there for all this, just take over?
Because obviously it was only the GM and manager that knew, every other coach and front office member was completely clean and uninvolved.

People just like to see punishment, even if it's all for show. Hinch, Lunhow, Cora, Beltran were easy targets because people know them. I guess MLB's hope is the association with being there when it happened hurts their job chances, but I'm just not sure teams will care. I expect Hinch and Cora to be managing when their suspensions are up, Lunhow is probably done but just because people genuinely don't like him
 

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Because obviously it was only the GM and manager that knew, every other coach and front office member was completely clean and uninvolved.

People just like to see punishment, even if it's all for show. Hinch, Lunhow, Cora, Beltran were easy targets because people know them. I guess MLB's hope is the association with being there when it happened hurts their job chances, but I'm just not sure teams will care. I expect Hinch and Cora to be managing when their suspensions are up, Lunhow is probably done but just because people genuinely don't like him
Lunhow goes into big business and does just fine. Hinch is back in a dugout by 2022 unless he just really enjoys studio life.

core is tbd based on his suspension
 
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I don’t know enough to care, but if he lied it’s going to come back to bite him. And if there’s one thing I know as a Mets fan it is that the Mets will suffer someway as a result, even though they had no involvement.
Exactly. After being excited about the upcoming season, they’ll end up with Terry Collins back on the bench and an 83 win season. Probably some sort of career ending injury to Alonso in the first week of the season too.
 
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The Astros have been at the top of the technological push in baseball using very advanced cameras and training with their players in the off season. Other teams saw their success and have tried to emulate them but the video transmission went too far. Cora engineered the whole thing. It’s not conceivable that he did not bring some of that to the Red Sox as they went from where they were to a title. My guess is that a shoe will drop, and their last trophy will have a permanent stain on it. If it affected them getting the AL East in any way that would do it.
 

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The Astros have been at the top of the technological push in baseball using very advanced cameras and training with their players in the off season. Other teams saw their success and have tried to emulate them but the video transmission went too far. Cora engineered the whole thing. It’s not conceivable that he did not bring some of that to the Red Sox as they went from where they were to a title. My guess is that a shoe will drop, and their last trophy will have a permanent stain on it. If it affected them getting the AL East in any way that would do it.
The Red Sox won the AL East 3 years in a row starting in 2016. John Farrell was the manager in 2016 and 2017.
 
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The Red Sox won the AL East 3 years in a row starting in 2016. John Farrell was the manager in 2016 and 2017.
Exactly. This went from “where they were” stuff is laughable. They had a couple bad years but were loaded with young talent.
 

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Exactly. This went from “where they were” stuff is laughable. They had a couple bad years but were loaded with young talent.
they spent the money to make it happen. What they did couldn’t happen now. The pool system has changed the game.
 

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This jersey/wire stuff - if true - is absolutely bonkers. It makes this whole thing way crazier.

Also, whoever said sign stealing is not a big deal and “a joke” must realize that fooling a batter and making them miss is literally the point of this game, right?
 

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If the Astros could only pull off the sign stealing at home in 2017, I find it a tad curious that Altuve had objectively better statistics away from Minute Maid Park.

Home or Away
SplitGGSPAABRH2B3BHRRBISBCSBBSOBAOBPSLGOPSTBGDPHBPSHSFIBBROEBAbiptOPS+sOPS+
Home787832929647921619351932452.311.371.463.8341371360313.34975118
Away75733332946511223315461333432.381.449.6331.081186631121.391125194
 
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So the catcher puts down a breaking ball sign......while in windup, the pitcher hears a bang bang or whistle whistle.
This triggers a fast ball at the batters head.
Problem solved.
 
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they spent the money to make it happen. What they did couldn’t happen now. The pool system has changed the game.
The Red Sox rank 3rd in the majors for "homegrown talent" based on this detailed analysis.

 

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This pitch thing is easily as bad as steroids - probably worse.

Knowing what pitch is coming is the biggest advantage you can get in the game.
So that makes the only unanimous 1st ballot HoFer the exception that proves the rule?
 

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Red Sox are like Democrats get caught cheating. first deny. second point at someone else, then smear the messenger
Not the forum for politics, take a lap.
 

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Man now everyone is coming out of the woodwork about this like an MLB #metoo lol
 

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