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I have travelled all over to see a game...Columbus, Ann Arbor, Lincoln, Baton Rouge, Roanoke, Baltimore, Clemson, Atlanta, Auburn, Miami, etc.

Have only had one very bad experience in 40 years. But...because it involved mistreatment of my wife, I have vowed to never enter that stadium (actually whole town) again.

It really is just a numbers game. If you go to enough away games, you will eventually run into a drunk and belligerent young tough.
Hey billy I just spent 2 hrs over at LT's the Okla CR board and found Buckaneer arguing the same bs over there? Imagine him calling the guys on their own board trolls? He can't even convince his own "conference mates" of the "greatness,stability and wealth of the B12? Funny about him but he puts in a lot of work promoting his new conference. I think I heard someone asking a mod to ban him and someone else(dayooper?) I think? mentioned he was previously banned here! Amusing though through loyalty a bit deluded.
 
RU went there(College Park,Md) a few yrs ago and said they had a small following(23G?) attending their FB games ?

Its really strange. Maryland sits in some pretty prime recruiting territory for football and hoops. And, they have no direct competition from within the state to deal with. They should be signing good classes, even if they never left the MD-DC-NOVA corridor. And, drawing large crowds to boot.

Maybe its just me, but, I have always thought that Baltimore and DC were pro sports-first towns. And, that could be one thing dragging on their attendance. Fighting the Orioles, Nationals, Ravens, Redskins, Wizards, and, Capitals for the entertainment dollars has got to be tough.


Funny that so popular a school as Miami gets such tiny crowds at their HGs in a state where HS FB is so popular.

Miami was in pretty good shape until the city tore the old Orange Bowl down. Now, they play at the Dolphins' stadium, which is like 20 miles from the campus. Its no wonder kids don't go.

Plus, I hear that the city of Coral Gables would not work with them on finding a suitable place close to campus to build their own stadium. They don't need one that seats 80K, like FSU and UF both have. Even something like a 45-47,000 seat facility (or something around to that size) closer to the university would stand them in better stead than what they have now.
 
Miami was in pretty good shape until the city tore the old Orange Bowl down. Now, they play at the Dolphins' stadium, which is like 20 miles from the campus. Its no wonder kids don't go.

Plus, I hear that the city of Coral Gables would not work with them on finding a suitable place close to campus to build their own stadium. They don't need one that seats 80K, like FSU and UF both have. Even something like a 45-47,000 seat facility (or something around to that size) closer to the university would stand them in better stead than what they have now.

It would be nice if Miami could get a stadium built on campus or close to it. The Orange Bowl wasn't close to Coral Gables either requiring a good little drive, and it was a dump badly in need of a wrecking ball. And you were parking your car in an awful neighborhood, or you took the shuttles from the commuter parking lots on I-95. It was as bad as trying to park at LA Coliseum in South Central LA. I don't know how they are handling it for the Marlins today.

Dolphins Stadium is much nicer with all the amenities and ample parking. But the issue is that it is too large like you suggest unless they are playing FSU or Florida. There has to be somewhere in South Dade that Miami could build a stadium closer to Coral Gables. I don't know if that is money they want to spend though.
 
Hey billy I just spent 2 hrs over at LT's the Okla CR board and found Buckaneer arguing the same bs over there? Imagine him calling the guys on their own board trolls? He can't even convince his own "conference mates" of the "greatness,stability and wealth of the B12? Funny about him but he puts in a lot of work promoting his new conference. I think I heard someone asking a mod to ban him and someone else(dayooper?) I think? mentioned he was previously banned here! Amusing though through loyalty a bit deluded.

He's on Shaggy Bevo wailing away at the Texas folks. I went over there the other day, and there he was arguing away with Texas fans about how Texas is completely happy in the Big XII because it is the best thing out there. I had never noticed him before he came here. Now I'm seeing him everywhere.
 
Bucky sees himself as a missionary of the Big 12. You'll see him spreading the word to the heathens on the Ohio State, Texas, WVU, FSU, Kansas, and other boards.

He also preaches of the weakness and idolatry present in the followers of Swofford.

In another life, he would be wearing a white shirt, a skinny black tie, and riding a bike from neighborhood to neighborhood.
 
Buckaneer is borderline certifiable. He is a one man crusade hell bent on converting hearts and minds over to Big 12 Supremacy. It's amusing watching him label OU, KU, and UT Fans trolls on their own boards when they discuss the subject of their respective teams' options for conference homes a few years from today. When fans express interest in anything but the Big 12-2 he comes unglued. Pretty strange that he seems to care 100 x more about the conference his team is a member of, as opposed to discussing his actual team.
 
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Bucky doesn't really post much on the WVU football board despite his affirmation that he has done so...I have posted about WVU football for 12 years on the football board and have rarely seen Bucky.

His thing is not actually West Virginia football...it is almost exclusively CR.
 
Bucky doesn't really post much on the WVU football board despite his affirmation that he has done so...I have posted about WVU football for 12 years on the football board and have rarely seen Bucky.

His thing is not actually West Virginia football...it is almost exclusively CR.

You and I are generally interested in conference realignment, thus the fact that we as FSU and PSU fans are posting on a Uconn Board. Buck's obsession with propping up the Big 12-2 Conference at all times and on all sites is something altogether different. If he weren't banned from this site he would be here right now, and this thread would be 3x as long.
 
You need to clarify. I've said Louisville academics are bad. I just said they aren't much worse than anyone ranked past 50. Past 50 they all run together. If Rice University improved their athletics, Rice's academics pass the sniff test. The school is on the small side though. West Virginia's academics are not very good.

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You need to clarify. I've said Louisville academics are bad. I just said they aren't much worse than anyone ranked past 50. Past 50 they all run together. If Rice University improved their athletics, Rice's academics pass the sniff test. The school is on the small side though. West Virginia's academics are not very good.

Where did you get the number 50 from? I'm not sure if there is a threshold where you begin to lump schools together, but if there is it's probably closer to 10 or 15. I'd rather be ranked 50 than 75, 75 rather than 100 etc.; but I think other than the Ivies and maybe a few other schools like MIT and UChicago there is not a huge difference in the rest.

UVa is clearly a better school than Louisville, but IMHO the gap between them is smaller than the gap between the Ivies and UVa.
 
Buckaneer is borderline certifiable. He is a one man crusade hell bent on converting hearts and minds over to Big 12 Supremacy. It's amusing watching him label OU, KU, and UT Fans trolls on their own boards when they discuss the subject of their respective teams' options for conference homes a few years from today. When fans express interest in anything but the Big 12-2 he comes unglued. Pretty strange that he seems to care 100 x more about the conference his team is a member of, as opposed to discussing his actual team.

It was almost as if he figured that if he posted something enough times that it would eventually come true.
 
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I've seen posters on many sites who will post and repeat a slew of facts (and sometimes mistruths) together with plenty of links. Then somehow believe that any conclusion they draw from these are indisputable facts as well, and get nastily defensive and malicious when others draw a different conclusion. And then accuse the objects of their flaming as malicious. Go figure.
 
Most of the fans who come here are in equal parts uneasy about where they stand and happy they're not standing where we're standing. That's why we see breathless defenses of the ACC's might, Texas's love of all things B12 and the plain indefensible state of Rutgers' athletics. Everyone is standing on their rickety hill pounding their chests.

There's a reason we never see SEC fans here and it's because they just don't give a s--- about realignment because there's no danger in it for them.

SEC fans and (some) UConn fans are the only realists left in conference realignment.
 
So let me get this straight: there are over 3,000 accredited 4-year universities in the United States. Yet, according to btstimpy, 1-50 are distinguishable but 51-3,000 all run together.

Do I have that right?

Pretty amazing that (a very arbitrary, mind you) 51 is apparently indistinguishable from No. 3,000.
 
Where did you get the number 50 from? I'm not sure if there is a threshold where you begin to lump schools together, but if there is it's probably closer to 10 or 15. I'd rather be ranked 50 than 75, 75 rather than 100 etc.; but I think other than the Ivies and maybe a few other schools like MIT and UChicago there is not a huge difference in the rest.

UVa is clearly a better school than Louisville, but IMHO the gap between them is smaller than the gap between the Ivies and UVa.

It is abitrary. Yes, you are making my point, or at least see it. For National Universities, the Gap between no 1 and no 25 is huge. The gap between 25 and say 75 is large. Between 50 and 200 is not so large. There is one, but not so much. It is not linear, and trying to split hairs between someone ranked 65 and 165 is a waste of time. There is not much difference. There is a difference between 25 and 165, and there is a huge difference between 1 and 165. There are posters here telling me how wonderful schools ranked 65 are. 65? Are you kidding me?

In athletics, we select 25 to recognize. I thought I was being generous at 50. And the ACC does recognize its count of universities in the Top 50. They promote in on the ACCIAC website. It is 8, which is more than any other athletic conference than the Ivy League who also has 8. Their 8 are in the Top 25.

So all of this bruhaha about Louisville's academics and the ACC taking an academics dog is nonsense if the alternative is another school past 50. It if is compared to the ACC passing on Yale to take Louisville over academics, that would be different. I could see the complaint then.
 
You and I are generally interested in conference realignment, thus the fact that we as FSU and PSU fans are posting on a Uconn Board. Buck's obsession with propping up the Big 12-2 Conference at all times and on all sites is something altogether different. If he weren't banned from this site he would be here right now, and this thread would be 3x as long.
Its funny...if the OBE had a few guys as intense as Bucky when WVU was still a FB conference member it might have stayed together in some form(minus the C7)?I know they (eer's fans) seem wacky but I have to admire their fighting spirit and intensity(something some fanbases lack) but it appears the eer's fanbase has a complex about there position in the FB hierarchy. Btw, on a different topic I think what Fishy said just above about us visitors here shows he has an unusally good grasp/sense of the mindset of a lot of us posters here.
 
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I still do not get the whole "academic" argument when discussing sports. Never did. Not when Virginia and UNC did not want FSU added to the ACC (because they did not fit the academic mold) and not when discussing Louisille.

Until they start rewarding playoff spots or bowls on academic performance or it affects the numbers of TV viewers, I see the whole argument as somewhat specious.
 
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I still do not get the whole "academic" argument when discussing sports. Never did. Not when Virginia and UNC did not want FSU added to the ACC (because they did not fit the academic mold) and not when discussing Louisille.

Until they start rewarding playoff spots or bowls on academic performance or it affects the numbers of TV viewers, I see the whole argument as somewhat specious.

My recollection is that FSU got in by a vote of 7-1, with Maryland the only dissent. Pres. Kirwan at the time said that he didn't have a problem with FSU, but didn't think it was the right time to expand. If Virginia and UNC were opposed, there wouldn't have been enough votes.
 
My recollection is that FSU got in by a vote of 7-1, with Maryland the only dissent. Pres. Kirwan at the time said that he didn't have a problem with FSU, but didn't think it was the right time to expand. If Virginia and UNC were opposed, there wouldn't have been enough votes.
I dont think billy mean't tobacco rd voted against FSU just that they did holding their noses and needed convincing? Obviously Md wasn't convinced so i can see the FSU sympathy too L'ville. It's never easy getting 10 or 12 institutions on the same page when their agenda's/wants are so diverse.
 
I still do not get the whole "academic" argument when discussing sports. Never did. Not when Virginia and UNC did not want FSU added to the ACC (because they did not fit the academic mold) and not when discussing Louisille.

Until they start rewarding playoff spots or bowls on academic performance or it affects the numbers of TV viewers, I see the whole argument as somewhat specious.

IMO it's a leftover from the bygone regional era of football. A throwback to when certain schools would not schedule others (read SEC) because the former thought the latter was not taking the student athlete role seriously.

I've the impetus for the Rose Bowl going to PAC vs BUG was to keep Southern opponents out.
 
It is abitrary. Yes, you are making my point, or at least see it. For National Universities, the Gap between no 1 and no 25 is huge. The gap between 25 and say 75 is large. Between 50 and 200 is not so large. There is one, but not so much. It is not linear, and trying to split hairs between someone ranked 65 and 165 is a waste of time. There is not much difference. There is a difference between 25 and 165, and there is a huge difference between 1 and 165. There are posters here telling me how wonderful schools ranked 65 are. 65? Are you kidding me?

In athletics, we select 25 to recognize. I thought I was being generous at 50. And the ACC does recognize its count of universities in the Top 50. They promote in on the ACCIAC website. It is 8, which is more than any other athletic conference than the Ivy League who also has 8. Their 8 are in the Top 25.

So all of this bruhaha about Louisville's academics and the ACC taking an academics dog is nonsense if the alternative is another school past 50. It if is compared to the ACC passing on Yale to take Louisville over academics, that would be different. I could see the complaint then.

You're wrong. It's been explained to you many times, but you're wrong. Using any metric out there, #50 is 10x better than #200.
 
I still do not get the whole "academic" argument when discussing sports. Never did. Not when Virginia and UNC did not want FSU added to the ACC (because they did not fit the academic mold) and not when discussing Louisille.

Until they start rewarding playoff spots or bowls on academic performance or it affects the numbers of TV viewers, I see the whole argument as somewhat specious.

We're not discussing sports. We're discussing academics.
 
It is abitrary. Yes, you are making my point, or at least see it. For National Universities, the Gap between no 1 and no 25 is huge. The gap between 25 and say 75 is large. Between 50 and 200 is not so large. There is one, but not so much. It is not linear, and trying to split hairs between someone ranked 65 and 165 is a waste of time. There is not much difference. There is a difference between 25 and 165, and there is a huge difference between 1 and 165. There are posters here telling me how wonderful schools ranked 65 are. 65? Are you kidding me?

In athletics, we select 25 to recognize. I thought I was being generous at 50. And the ACC does recognize its count of universities in the Top 50. They promote in on the ACCIAC website. It is 8, which is more than any other athletic conference than the Ivy League who also has 8. Their 8 are in the Top 25.

So all of this brouhaha about Louisville's academics and the ACC taking an academics dog is nonsense if the alternative is another school past 50. It if is compared to the ACC passing on Yale to take Louisville over academics, that would be different. I could see the complaint then.
The truth is the ACC rejected WVU partially if not solely on their academics. Granted Maryland was still present in the ACC - and my guess is that this was the real reason. As you have consistently pointed out a team looking to get into the ACC needs three sponsors. I don't know if they even got one. But the excuse the ACC gave to teh media was about WVU Academics. So it does appear hypocritical to now take Louisville. Furthermore to now discount the rationality behind the ACC's excuse for not taking WVU but taking Louisville as "well there is no difference in academic standing past 50", gives the impression that the story is changing before the ink is dry. The story being CR, the chapter of Louisville now being written. Personally, I would respect your opinions more if you would just state the obvious. The ACC did not want WVU at the time and the reason they gave no longer passes muster. But if you want to continue to defned their position then you will continue to give life to what I think is a dead story.

In my opinion the ACC did not want to come out and state that by taking Pitt and WVU they would be encroaching on another ACC Team's perceived territory. They took Pitt under ESPN's advisement and probably for some additional unknown reasons to which none of us may ever know the full details.
 
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We're not discussing sports. We're discussing academics.

Sure you are..in a sports context.

Maybe your post was sincere and that you really think that Louisville and the ACC and academics as a discussion has nothing to do with sports conferences.
 
Sure you are..in a sports context.

Maybe your post was sincere and that you really think that Louisville and the ACC and academics as a discussion has nothing to do with sports conferences.

We're responding to stimpy who is looking at the USNWR. I've been on the Boneyard for years. I have made the point over and over again that academics as they relate to sports conferences don't matter. I see this as a weird ACC hangup, the kind of thing that ACC people like to say. We laughed about it after all those years of ACC types holding their nose at the inclusion of UConn's academics.

But stimpy is dead wrong in his knowledge of schools. Why anyone would choose 50 (on the bogus USNWP rankings no less) as an arbitrary cutoff is bizarre. To say the least. There are schools that were 50+ last year that are now in the 40s.
 
I dont think billy mean't tobacco rd voted against FSU just that they did holding their noses and needed convincing? Obviously Md wasn't convinced so i can see the FSU sympathy too L'ville. It's never easy getting 10 or 12 institutions on the same page when their agenda's/wants are so diverse.
Thanks. That may very well be what happened.
 
How it went down...FSU to ACC...from the mouths of the participants...How Tobacco Road almost submarined FSU's entry into the ACC. t was a close thing and left FSU in limbo with the SEC.



"At the annual ACC meetings on May 22 in Myrtle Beach, S.C., Florida State was mentioned for the first time. The discussions led Corrigan to schedule another meeting on July 25 at Sedgefield Country Club in Greensboro, N.C., in the exact room where the conference was formed in 1953.

Frustrated by the league's lack of focus on the expansion issue, Corrigan opted for a different approach at the Sedgefield meeting. "I said, 'Let's make believe that we've agreed to expand. Each one of you has to write down a name of school,' " Corrigan recalled.

The secret ballot of member schools turned up four votes each for Syracuse and Florida State.
By the close of the four-hour meeting, Corrigan had permission from the ACC athletic directors to approach both schools to gauge interest. His first call was to Syracuse A.D. Jake Crouthamel. Crouthamel expressed interest, but because the Orangemen were charter members of the Big East, said the ACC would have to build a strong case. Corrigan, however, was not interested in wining and dining and told Crouthamel: "Just forget I called."

His call to Goin, however, yielded a different response.
"Bob said, 'Oh my goodness, I was hoping there was some interest [from] the ACC,'" Corrigan said.
Time and popular opinion, at least among FSU's decision-makers, were not on Goin's side and he expressed those concerns to Corrigan during the initial phone call.

Corrigan said that Goin had informed him that talks with Kramer and SEC officials were moving swiftly.

"He [Goin] said, 'We don't have much time,' " said Corrigan, who arranged an Aug. 17 meeting with Sliger and Goin before a group of ACC faculty representatives at the league's offices in Greensboro.
"They were very impressive," Corrigan said of FSU's presentation. "I thought we might get a unanimous vote."

It did not take much to convince Corrigan that the addition of FSU would have a profound impact on the league. Not only would the Seminoles' football program lend credibility to the ACC, but the prospect of tapping into Florida's vast media market was particularly enticing.

Needing six affirmative votes for expansion -- and fully aware that Duke and Maryland were opposed -- Corrigan immediately set out on a whirlwind personal tour in an attempt to sell the league's university presidents.

Sliger and Goin returned to Tallahassee equally impressed, but facing an equally daunting charge -- altering the minds of those who wanted FSU to join the SEC.

Selling the idea

Corrigan had a gut feeling that the face-to-face meeting between Sliger, Goin and ACC representatives had gone well. "I think our people really liked Bernie," Corrigan said. "The funny thing about Bernie was he really wanted to go into the SEC, but he let other people make that decision."

And that probably was greatest reason for Corrigan's optimism. Goin, FSU's first-year A.D., was the point-man in the school's search for conference affiliation.

"Bob Goin and Gene Corrigan clicked immediately," said former FSU sports information director Wayne Hogan, a Goin confidant throughout the process. "They formed a very tight and lasting relationship right from the beginning."

Goin, however, didn't allow any perceived bias to prevent him from a thorough examination of the two leagues. Armed with comparative charts on subjects as diverse as average SAT scores of incoming freshmen, travel distances between FSU and the two league's schools and projected revenues from football attendance, television contracts and bowl receipts, Goin presented his case.

"My job was to do the pros and the cons and I did that," Goin said. "I shared it with a number of contstituencies there and after a time it started unfolding."

Not surprisingly, in the ACC's favor.

Wake Forest University President Thomas Hearn, who represented the ACC on the NCAA President's Commission, said Sliger's strong stance on academic reform put to rest any questions about FSU's off-field accountability. Sliger was also a member of the President's Commission.

"Bernie had already earned his stars," Hearn said. "No one had any doubt about the integrity of Florida State's commitment to academics."

Since its 1953 inception the ACC had made only one move in terms of membership, and that was replacing charter member South Carolina, which resigned in 1971, with Georgia Tech in 1978. Coincidentally, Georgia Tech had withdrawn from the SEC in 1964, while South Carolina ended 19 years of independence by joining the SEC in 1990.

Corrigan's greatest challenge wasn't selling the league on FSU, but on expansion in general. The eight schools had grown comfortable with their place in the NCAA hierarchy, their philosophies regarding academics and athletics and their revenue-sharing plan that offered the same financial benefits -- much of which came from its lucrative basketball television contract -- to all of its members.

Decision time

While conference affiliation would impact FSU's entire athletic program, suggesting that football was anything less than a major factor in expansion talk would be naive. So while Bowden was not directly involved in the decision, his support was critical in the process.

Not surprisingly, the Birmingham born-and-raised Seminoles coach -- who spent one year as a quarterback at Alabama -- said the SEC was "emotionally" his first choice. Even so, he carefully weighed all options.

"I was probably involved just about as much as anybody in that I agreed to [the ACC]," Bowden said. "I think if I would have wanted to fight for the SEC it might have caused some concerns for everybody, but I didn't feel that way.

"When you started looking at it from a financial perspective and what's best for us, I felt pretty sure what we should do is go ahead and join the ACC. ... Bob [Goin] had it laid out pretty good. I'll be honest with you, it was a no-brainer."

Haggard, like many on the advisory committee, valued Bowden's view on the choice of conference.
"Bobby was totally SEC when it started," Haggard said. "As Bobby's thinking changed, our thinking changed. It ended up unanimous ACC."

By the time a contingent of ACC school and league officials made their Sept. 2 tour of FSU's campus, the league had already made substantial gains on the SEC's initial foothold. Finances, football and basketball prowess aside, the ACC's overall image -- specifically its academic reputation -- had left a strong impression.

"More people here wanted the ACC; that's what really changed me," Sliger said. "The faculty really wanted the ACC. There were very few [faculty members] that had gone to the SEC, but many of them had gone to North Carolina and Virginia, places like that."

While the ACC and FSU continued to discover common ground through the search process, the SEC was losing ground. In early August, athletic directors Joe Dean of LSU and Hootie Ingram, who was at Alabama after nine years with FSU, publicly proclaimed the Seminoles would join the SEC. Time, however, was no longer on the SEC's side and Kramer's timing made it even worse.

Kramer and top aide Mark Womack made their official visit and presentation in Tallahassee on Sept. 11, perhaps not coincidentally, the same day that Corrigan arranged a conference call with the ACC's university presidents to make his final presentation for expansion and Florida State.

Hogan vividly remembers the SEC presentation before the entire FSU athletic department.
"That very day, when Bob Goin and Roy Kramer sat in the room there was very much a different dynamic," Hogan said. "It was very stiff and very cold. ....

"The SEC in those days was certainly the 3,000-pound gorilla. They kept putting out vibes, 'How could you not want to play with us? We've already got a great deal going; wouldn't you want to jump on our train?' "

Whether real or merely perceived, the vibes generated from the SEC's presentation didn't sit well with some at FSU.

"There was quite a bit of feeling that we didn't want to be entrapped; a feeling among some of the fans that if we go into that conference that has been dominated by the Alabamas, Auburns and Georgias we'd be kind of a stepchild," Miller said. "[That] we wouldn't get the respect we deserved."

While Kramer emerged from the five-hour long meeting with FSU officials, declining comment on the school's possible membership, Corrigan forged ahead. His conference call with the presidents went so well that he set a conference call vote on expansion for 9:30 the following morning.

The aftermath

Corrigan woke up on Sept. 12, 1990 certain he had the six votes necessary to move ahead and expand. Duke and Maryland, he knew, would cast the only no votes. He was even more certain that if the league agreed on expansion, adding Florida State would be nothing more than a formality.

In a matter of minutes, Corrigan saw all the hard work on the delicate issue come apart. Clemson, Georgia Tech and Virginia, the strongest supporters on the issue and FSU all along, voted for expansion. Duke and Maryland voted against, but to Corrigan's surprise, North Carolina, North Carolina State and Wake Forest abstained; the equivalent of three no votes.


Expansion was suddenly dead.

"Corrigan was just about in tears when the vote was over," said Tom Mickle, Corrigan's top aide.
"All of a sudden we've got these abstentions," Corrigan recalled. "I've got the athletic directors on another line waiting. ... A couple of them went ballistic."

The resounding voice of the AD's was: "That's not the way we thought we were voting."
Corrigan could have let the issue die, but after conferring with the athletic directors, agreed to have a second vote at 7 p.m., after the abstaining parties had the opportunity to hammer out final questions.

Meanwhile, the SEC had caught wind of the ACC's intention to hold an expansion vote and quickly convened its own conference call. They voted to not extend Florida State an invitation to the conference.

Goin and the Seminoles were in limbo.
As the second vote was taking place Goin was on a plane to an in-state function, kept abreast of the proceedings via cell phone from Hogan, who was in constant communication with Corrigan and Mickle.

At the same time Goin said he was, "dodging Kramer's call because I didn't want him to tell me he didn't want me."

"That was some tense times," Hogan said. "Had that vote not gone our way, we were screwed."
"There was anxiety, but at the same token, I was representing a pretty good university," Goin said . "If you're not carrying a very strong deck, I would have had more anxiety. I don't think we would have been in the open market very long."

It didn't matter. The re-vote went 6-2 in favor of expansion and 8-0 in favor of the Seminoles. FSU had a new home.
Corrigan extended FSU its formal invitation the following day -- Sept. 13 -- and FSU accepted without hesitation.

Kramer said he has no hard feelings about Florida State's maneuvering. Asked if, in the end, he felt Florida State had played the SEC's offer against the ACC's, Kramer said:
"Officially, no. I had known Bernie [Sliger] forever and considered him a friend. I dealt with him and he was very up front. I never felt we were being used.''

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The SEC and Florida State had a weird history with Florida trying to get them in on an almost yearly basis - but I thought the SEC had finally relented at the end and offered FSU a spot?
 
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